*Official* Shiny Things club - Part 2

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Quick question (potentially trivial) for the experienced members here.

For brokers who have custody of your shares (like MBKE Prefunded), the buy and sell fees are effectively the same.

For brokers who transfer your shares to CDP (like DBSV Cash Upfront), am I right to say that the selling fees are higher than the buying fees, because one would incur fees for transferring the shares back to the broker? On top of that, the selling fees are not the Cash Upfront rate, since the shares are not in the broker’s custody?

Of course, when it’s time to sell in the future, the fees may be drastically different, but let’s assume they remain the same.

For non-custodian accounts, whatever you buy from SGX will be deposited into your CDP. Selling is the same; they take from your CDP so there's no need for manual transference, neither is there extra transference charge (eg transfer of shares inwards to SCB).
 

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For brokers who transfer your shares to CDP (like DBSV Cash Upfront), am I right to say that the selling fees are higher than the buying fees, because one would incur fees for transferring the shares back to the broker? On top of that, the selling fees are not the Cash Upfront rate, since the shares are not in the broker’s custody?

For DBS Vickers, cash upfront rates ( ie min $10 ) is only for buying. Selling, u will incur the normal rates of min $25. DBS Vickers is using your CDP.

For DBS, I think the only way to enjoy no min for both buy and sell is via their DBS Treasures. But that one will be via their custodian account ( DBS Nominees ).

The other way is SCB Online trading. If normal rates, then I think min $10 for both buy and sell. For no min, need to join as priority. SCB also using their custodian account ( Raffles Nominees ).
 

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Rev, How come you have a 22k total unrealized loss on statement when your individual funds unrealized loss is much less?
The EIMI in my portfolio is down 16% and VEUD is 11% down and both of them were bought after the Jan peak.

If I look at VWRD chart, everything was fine until SEP 21st. Then it just fell off a cliff.

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For non-custodian accounts, whatever you buy from SGX will be deposited into your CDP. Selling is the same; they take from your CDP so there's no need for manual transference, neither is there extra transference charge (eg transfer of shares inwards to SCB).

Thanks for pointing out that there is no need for manual transfers and therefore, no additional costs involved. I suppose this is true for all SGX shares, so long as our CDP account is linked to the trading account?

If that’s the case, if a manual transfer is done, does that mean it is in the broker’s custody, and therefore, we can sell with the broker’s prefunded rate?
 
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For DBS Vickers, cash upfront rates ( ie min $10 ) is only for buying. Selling, u will incur the normal rates of min $25. DBS Vickers is using your CDP.

For DBS, I think the only way to enjoy no min for both buy and sell is via their DBS Treasures. But that one will be via their custodian account ( DBS Nominees ).

The other way is SCB Online trading. If normal rates, then I think min $10 for both buy and sell. For no min, need to join as priority. SCB also using their custodian account ( Raffles Nominees ).

Seems like custodian accounts have a slight edge when it comes to selling costs, as opposed to non-custodian accounts (cheap going in, but less cheap coming out).
 

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quick question: is there anywhere i can check if the IB server is down? i tried logging in via Webtrader and traderworkstation, both returned invalid credentials. but with the same credentials, i managed to login via client portal
 

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quick question: is there anywhere i can check if the IB server is down? i tried logging in via Webtrader and traderworkstation, both returned invalid credentials. but with the same credentials, i managed to login via client portal

IBKR are always down on Saturday for maintenance.
 

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Hi shiny,

Finally your booked arrived!

Can i ask a question on the rebalancing.

Suppose i use cpf as my bond in my portfolio, the only rebalancing are for sti etf and iwda.

In a bear market, both of the etfs drop in value (paper losses for both) but my iwda fall at a slower pace, do I still need to sell iwda and buy into sti etf?

Or can I use my every mth purchase to make up to the right percentage and wait till the next schedule rebalance day or probably keep doing it till one of them became higher than the invested amount and also, higher in terms of allocation% ?
 
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I have no idea about how to invest using my CPF / SRS...

Alright, so the LionGlobal All Seasons fund looks like a decent candidate for SRS... How about for CPFIS-OA (if markets go much further south) or CPFIS-SA (if markets go really really south)?

How about the brokers for CPF / SRS? BBCW mentioned POEMS. How about Fundsupermart, DBS-V, DBS-OET etc?
 

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Hi,

BBC mention can use CPF as the bond option.

Do i need to invest my cpf into ETF?

Also if im doing braces would it be better to pay monthly (putting the remaining in ssb) or paying in full (10% discount) assuming the cost is $4k
 

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Do i need to invest my cpf into ETF?

No, it is not a need.
But it depends on your needs. Say you want to use CPF to buy a house or if you want to treat your CPF as bonds (then why buy ETF with it?)

Also if im doing braces would it be better to pay monthly (putting the remaining in ssb) or paying in full (10% discount) assuming the cost is $4k

This again depends on your expense routine.
You should be gauging it yourself by some criteria.

For example: If I choose to pay monthly and forgo the 10% discount, can I get a yield that rivals that amount in the equivalent duration?

Or

For example: Do I have other ways to integrate that monthly payment into, say, my card usage to earn cashbacks?
 

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Hi shiny and other vets, not sure if this has been asked before, but what is your take on the current market outlook?
 

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Looking at the way stock market is performing, I believe now is already the peak. The peak will stay around for a while, luring in unsuspecting buyers on stock price pull back but over next 2-3 years, people who keep holding their stocks should expect to race to the bottom? 6 figure loss may end up with 7 figure loss or more like in 2008? This is the problem with just blind DCA all the way. :o

It is okay if this peak doesnt get breached for sometime. In fact it is very good. Think about it, do you want market to keep going up and DCA to keep happening at higher and higher levels and 10 years later, when you are about to retire, market crash?

Or do you want markets to go down and form a deep bottom over the next 5 year and you continue to DCA into it and then market regains this top after 10 years, all the DCA you did over the next 10 years will be super profitable.

Like I said before, understanding risk tolerance is important, you should have sufficient safe funds so that you can afford to let your equity holdings go down like 50% and still not lose sleep over it.
 
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Why do majority of the financial bloggers go for blue-chip stocks and Reits instead of just index funds, is it because it generates more traffic for their blogs?
 

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Why do majority of the financial bloggers go for blue-chip stocks and Reits instead of just index funds, is it because it generates more traffic for their blogs?

what is more puzzling is that virtually every blogger i see on thefinance.sg only invests in SGX-listed stocks. :s22:
 

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Why do majority of the financial bloggers go for blue-chip stocks and Reits instead of just index funds, is it because it generates more traffic for their blogs?

Index funds is an American thing. Even in UK and Europe, index funds are not yet popular, you can already see that by the lack of volumes and choices on LSE.
 

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Index funds is an American thing. Even in UK and Europe, index funds are not yet popular, you can already see that by the lack of volumes and choices on LSE.


what we call unit trusts seem to be popular in UK given the large number of investing platforms available, the low ongoing charges for both active and passive unit trusts, and probably the average UK investor does not use IBKR and sees no sales charge as more worth it than paying 'regular' brokerage comms

I did a screen and found 346 unit trusts available in UK with ongoing charge less than 0.5%, 164 of them are index funds There are S&P 500 index funds available in UK with lower charges than CSPX (eg: HSBC - 0.06%)
 

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Hi shiny and other vets, not sure if this has been asked before, but what is your take on the current market outlook?

So the STI is off about 17%—15% once you count dividends—from its highs of the year. This is a pretty big, pretty disconcerting pullback, and it's natural to ask "why would I buy stocks down here? They're only going to keep going down!"

The thing is, they're not going to keep going down. The stocks you buy today are the same stocks you were buying six months ago, except now they're 15% cheaper. Think of it as a 15%-off sale; if someone put a 15%-off sale on Macbooks, you'd buy that in a heartbeat. And it's the same thing with stocks. And six months ago, everyone was bulled up and ready to buy stocks; now, nobody wants to buy them, even though they're 15% cheaper.

The world is not going to end tomorrow, we're not going to spiral into oblivion or suddenly have a new GFC; that's simply not going to happen. The smart thing to do is lean against the crowd. Now's a solid time to buy.

Why do majority of the financial bloggers go for blue-chip stocks and Reits instead of just index funds, is it because it generates more traffic for their blogs?

Yeah, I think it might be. Banging the drum on "buy IWDA and ES3 and MBH and just sit on it for thirty years" isn't a great way to draw a lot of repeat traffic, even if it's the most sensible way to invest.

Hi I am a beginner and have not much experience. Have bought Posb invest saver for aroundyears now $100 per month. I also put in $700 per month in poems sharebuilder for sti etf. I should continue on right and not sell now since sti etf is Low now.

That's right. The idea is to buy low and sell high. Prices are low right now, and you don't need the money, so you should be buying, not selling.

Quick question (potentially trivial) for the experienced members here.

For brokers who have custody of your shares (like MBKE Prefunded), the buy and sell fees are effectively the same.

For brokers who transfer your shares to CDP (like DBSV Cash Upfront), am I right to say that the selling fees are higher than the buying fees, because one would incur fees for transferring the shares back to the broker? On top of that, the selling fees are not the Cash Upfront rate, since the shares are not in the broker’s custody?

It's the latter, not the former. Selling out of CDP is more expensive because the broker has to run the risk that you don't have the stock and you're actually naked-shorting (I thiiiinnnkkk).

Access to private equity for US retail investors?

Ehh. That was the hook that Blackstone used when they went public (and it's the hook that Astrea used for their bond issue!) but I don't buy it; the only way to get private equity returns is to invest in a private-equity fund.

They only lose IF they sell, which I doubt so.

I'm going to nitpick this a bit. "You don't loose if you don't sell" (the misspelling is 100% deliberate, trust me) is the easiest way to get yourself featured on @BagHolderQuotes Twitter. It doesn't matter whether or not you've sold; a loss is a loss.

2018 will be a good year to run a multi-decade study of long-run equity returns by buying at an S&P 500 (or IWDA) ATH.

To be fair: 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 were also good years to run that same study, because the SPX hit ATHs in all of those years as well.

Does the formating of the ebook count as a feedback? Somehow when i transfer it to kindle the portion which is encased by a boxed is shifted and some words can't be read.

Oh yeah, I wrangled with my editor no end about those. I like blockquotes like that, but the formatting just doesn't work on Kindle, and I don't have the time or the expertise to force them to work properly. I'm going to fix up the formatting and the inline images.

In a bear market, both of the etfs drop in value (paper losses for both) but my iwda fall at a slower pace, do I still need to sell iwda and buy into sti etf?

Or can I use my every mth purchase to make up to the right percentage and wait till the next schedule rebalance day or probably keep doing it till one of them became higher than the invested amount and also, higher in terms of allocation% ?

When you're just starting out, your monthly purchases will keep you pretty close to balanced. If it gets to rebalancing time—I usually like to rebalance twice a year, in November and April—and you're only out of balance by a few hundred dollars each way, then you can just leave it. But if your allocation says you should buy a few thousand dollars' worth of stocks or bonds, which might have happened after the big swings we've seen over the last few months, then go ahead and do it; stick to the rules you've set for yourself.

BBC mention can use CPF as the bond option. Do i need to invest my cpf into ETF?
Nah. With CPF funds, you should be investing to get the bonus interest on the first few tens of thousands of dollars in your CPF. That's free money, especially with the high interest rates on CPF-SA balances.
 
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