Official Shiny Things thread—Part III

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I feel that people who're not willing to part with 10 bucks a month are likely the one to pull out their funds during a drop. They're not ready to invest

Why would they when they have to pay another $10 to sell? By your logic the IBKR investors are more likely to sell because the marginal cost of selling is 0 (goes into offsetting the monthly minimums)
 

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Don't understand why do you need to keep making foreign currency conversion?
For me, I converted once and then keep it in foreign currency forever, so is just one-off charge once and for all.

With IBKR you need to pay US$10 p.m. charge, that is continual charges every month, which will add up over say a total 50 years investment period.

Standard Chartered is chock full of costs at every step that matter a lot when you’re investing above a certain threshold. The foreign currency conversion costs much more, you must drag more cash at low or zero interest, the commission is higher, and time out of market has a cost (quarterly versus monthly for example) since markets on average go up, or at least that’s a reasonable forecast. Two and one month delays on bedding down your savings result in costs, too. And all that’s just on the front side. You’re focused on emergencies. OK, what if? What if there’s a grave emergency and you must (unfortunately) liquidate and liberate at least some of your long-term investments? You’d then take another trip through Standard Chartered’s higher cost structure.

And all that for what? Because you’re worried about a US$10 monthly minimum commission for the first decade or less of your multi-decade investing life? That’s it? That ten bucks might turn slightly less favorable for a short period of time? I don’t think that makes sense. That strikes me as irrational (tiny) loss aversion, not cost and total return maximization. And if that’s your thinking, then you’re likely going to struggle with the markets themselves when a -5% swing is just another normal day.

I don’t think anybody has a problem with using Standard Chartered at 3 digit sort of monthly savings flows. Then it does make sense to “batch up” and buy with them. Much above that, don’t worry about it. IB works great.
 

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Don't understand why do you need to keep making foreign currency conversion?
For me, I converted once and then keep it in foreign currency forever, so is just one-off charge once and for all.

With IBKR you need to pay US$10 p.m. charge, that is continual charges every month, which will add up over say a total 50 years investment period.

i receive my salary monthly in SGD, like most of us here. every month I would need to make a foreign currency conversion no? unless you receive a lump sump insurance / lottery winning where you have the chance to just dump it all in.
 

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Don't understand why do you need to keep making foreign currency conversion?
For me, I converted once and then keep it in foreign currency forever, so is just one-off charge once and for all.
Has Kopitiam started accepting U.S. dollars? ;) There's a conversion in, and there's a conversion out. Conversions, actually.

With IBKR you need to pay US$10 p.m. charge, that is continual charges every month, which will add up over say a total 50 years investment period.
First of all, the US$10 per month covers a typical investor's entire cost of buying, say, VWRA or IWDA. Currency conversion, broker commission, exchange fee -- all of it. If you buy VWRA, IWRA, or some other London-listed fund every month -- one counter, once per month -- IB at US$10/month (all-in) is less expensive than any other brokerage. (And for more than one counter or more than once a month, IB is even better.) Second, the US$10 minimum won't apply for 50 years, or 30 years, or even 20. It'll apply only until your total account value reaches US$100,000. Once you get to US$100,000 only actual commissions apply. At a S$1,000/month pace you'll reach S$120,000 of total buys over 10 years. If VWRA or IWDA perform at or even a little below their long-term precedents, you'll reach that US$100,000 in 10 years or less at that pace. At a higher pace, you'll reach that level sooner. To wait as long as 50 years you'd have to be at a monthly pace of something like S$100/month for all 50 years, and even then you'd probably hit US$100K before 50 years pass.

And all of this good news assumes pretty much the "worst case," that the US$10/month minimum commission (minimum "activity fee") will be in place even for the next 10 years. It probably won't be, actually. It doesn't apply for residents of the United States and of India, and consequently it's possible IB will drop the US$10/month minimum commission at some point in the future. We'll see.
 
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Hi ST, bought and read you book recently. I have a particular question on re-balancing. If we apply step 6 (buy whichever share we are short of), are we re-balancing our portfolio (if we only have ES3, MBH, IWDA) every month?

By the half-yearly re-balancing exercise, our portfolio should be around the same allocated ratio unless there is a crazy movement in the market before it.
 

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Don't understand why do you need to keep making foreign currency conversion?
For me, I converted once and then keep it in foreign currency forever, so is just one-off charge once and for all.

With IBKR you need to pay US$10 p.m. charge, that is continual charges every month, which will add up over say a total 50 years investment period.
I have seen you disagree with a lot of things said by BBCW or ST, but this is prob your weakest argument..

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Hi ST, bought and read you book recently. I have a particular question on re-balancing. If we apply step 6 (buy whichever share we are short of), are we re-balancing our portfolio (if we only have ES3, MBH, IWDA) every month?

By the half-yearly re-balancing exercise, our portfolio should be around the same allocated ratio unless there is a crazy movement in the market before it.

Once your portfolio gets bigger - like into the mid-six or seven figures - the change in ratios from market movements will become much more substantial relative to the monthly amount you invest, and that’s when the six-monthly rebalancing becomes more important. But even when your portfolio is small, it’s a good habit to get into.

I'd just like to understand the risks / downsides involved to lenders. from what I can see, it seems that, if lenders have successfully loaned out their securities, they can't attend AGMs during the duration of the loan,
Correct.
and any sale of loan securities would be delayed such that you might end up making a loss (selling at a price lower than your purchase price)
Not correct. When you sell your shares, the CDP immediately calls the loan in, so the borrower has to recover the shares, either by buying them back or finding another lender. If the borrower can’t find the shares in time, that’s their problem.

Hi, for SCB it states that their minimum fee is $10, does that mean a total of $10 is charged for opening and closing the trade? Or does it mean $10 to open and $10 to close which amounts to $20 total?

The latter—$10 to open and $10 to close. A buy trade is one trade; a sell trade is a second trade.

Hi everyone in this thread, I just want to ask when calculating the performance or the weightage of each holding in the portfolio. Does the exchange rate from SGD to USD be factored into the calculation?

Yep. Pick a base currency—any base currency, it doesn’t matter which, though SGD is the natural base currency for Singaporean investors—and convert the prices of every one of your ETFs back into that base currency.

Hi all,

I'm looking to buy some MBH. It has been hovering around $1.02 of late, but I note that its 52 week range is between $1.006-$1.055. Does it make sense to wait till the price falls further before buying? Assuming it pays a certain dividend once a year, buying at a lower price would mean the yield is higher, so does it make sense to wait for a lower price?

Oh man, I quoted this one and forgot to answer it, which is a shame because it’s a good question. The answer is “no”, but the reason is twofold:
1) Like any other investment, you don’t know when the price will bottom out. The price might go lower, but it might also go higher. And if you get your “lower price”, then you’ll say “oh, I should wait for it to go lower again”... and you’ll never end up buying! Also,
2) All other things being equal—if interest rates didn’t move—the price of MBH would look like a sawtooth pattern. It would grind higher over the course of a year, then gap lower when it pays out the dividend. This happens because the interest on the underlying bonds slowly adds up over the course of the year. So if you wait, the price is generally gonna go up while you’re waiting.

Lastly, I understand that MBH pays out its dividend in 1Q each year, so is there any value to waiting a bit and investing a bit closer to the dividend payout date?
No, because if you wait, then (all other things being equal) the price would be higher as more interest accrues on the bonds in the portfolio. There’s no free lunch here.

Hi people!

Would like to just seek some opinions with regards to investing in IBKR. After reading through IBKR's pricing structure for students/young adults aged 25 and below, they only charge USD3 for its monthly activity fees.

Hmm... y’know, this is a good point. I don’t think there’s a hard-and-fast rule here, because the fee will abruptly jump to USD 10/month when you turn 25, but given how good IBKR is, I think you might as well take advantage of the cheap fees while you can.


US is clearly artificially supporting the S&P500 stock market like Japan supporting Nikkei in 198x, so you can expect US stock index to be like Japan Nikkei in future :s13:

Then you should be short S&P 500 futures and limit long US treasuries. Short Nikkei / long JGBs was the trade of the century when Japan imploded, and you’d impress a lot of people if you really put the short stocks/long bonds trade on and made a ton of money when your view came true.

With IBKR you need to pay US$10 p.m. charge, that is continual charges every month, which will add up over say a total 50 years investment period.

IBKR’s $10/month charge only applies until you reach $100k account value, which... how do you not know that?

Have you ever heard the phrase “all hat and no cattle”?
 

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I don’t think there’s a hard-and-fast rule here, because the fee will abruptly jump to USD 10/month when you turn 25, but given how good IBKR is, I think you might as well take advantage of the cheap fees while you can.
The US$10 Activity Fee doesn't kick in until your 26th birthday. As IB puts it, if the "client is age 25 or under" then the activity fee is US$3/month. I have no idea whether the US$10 level starts with the calendar month containing your 26th birthday or the calendar month after, but it's definitely not until there are 26 candles on the birthday cake. (And not a Korean birthday cake.)

At any/every age, if your total account value is US$100K or more then there's no Activity Fee. Also, if you're a resident of the United States or of India and choose IBKR Lite, there's no Activity Fee. Finally, unless you're an IBKR Lite customer or under age 26, don't let your total account value fall below US$2K if you can avoid it. That's because the Activity Fee doubles to US$20 for sub-US$2K total account values.

If you are subject to an Activity Fee, all commissions (currency, securities trades) are subtracted from the Activity Fee first. There is no custodial or maintenance fee at IB. The Activity Fee is a monthly minimum commission.
 

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Well, I did short JPY in a certain way at a value of S$1 Million equivalent.
I am also short S&P500 too!
I do put my money where my mouth is and I did make a bundle! :s13:
So you didn't? :s22:

Then you should be short S&P 500 futures and limit long US treasuries. Short Nikkei / long JGBs was the trade of the century when Japan imploded, and you’d impress a lot of people if you really put the short stocks/long bonds trade on and made a ton of money when your view came true.
 
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hi ST, I think you have missed out my question.

My question is if I were to have about 2k to invest monthly, how should I do it every month?

Note: I realised I have PB benefits in Standchart.

  1. Should I just invest IWDA in standchart and MBH/ES3 in FSMone on whatever im short of?
  2. I think it makes sense to store all of my IWDA holdings in standchart until it hits 100k mark and I do a transfer to IBKR and leverage its narrow FX spread benefits. Am I right on this?
  3. Should I invest all 2k into a single stock that I'm short of every month to minimise the charges? Or should I spread into 3 pie and invest them regularly.
 

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Well, I did short JPY in a certain way at a value of S$1 Million equivalent.

I'm not sure how this is relevant, unless you're telling us you shorted JPY three decades ago, back as the bubble was bursting?
hi ST, I think you have missed out my question.

My question is if I were to have about 2k to invest monthly, how should I do it every month?

Note: I realised I have PB benefits in Standchart.

  1. Should I just invest IWDA in standchart and MBH/ES3 in FSMone on whatever im short of?
  2. I think it makes sense to store all of my IWDA holdings in standchart until it hits 100k mark and I do a transfer to IBKR and leverage its narrow FX spread benefits. Am I right on this?
  3. Should I invest all 2k into a single stock that I'm short of every month to minimise the charges? Or should I spread into 3 pie and invest them regularly.

I'd still use IBKR for the IWDA, because the spreads are so much tighter. $2k a month is a decent lump.

To your final question: yes, a single stock every month is the best way to minimise your transaction costs.
 
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whether IBKR vs SCB is 'worth it' is a maths questions with a number of variables, including whether you are also planning to DCA STI ETF/MBH/A35 in which case no min comms for SCB PB for SG stocks is something u need to factor in.

The forex spread 0.4% vs 0% (effectively) is not published on their websites so you need to get this information from this thread. But all the other charges are on the IBKR and SCB websites.

I think user cclee prepared a spreadsheet to help people calculate the best choice.. and even then some users don't even know how to use the spreadsheet...

if an investor does not have the ability to calculate (by himself or using cclee's spreadsheet) whether IBKR or SCB is cheaper by himself/herself, is IBKR really the best choice for that investor?

I'm sure you can think of a few people who are not so savvy (eg: elderly relatives) who might ask you for investment advice - you wouldn't be telling them open IBKR account?
 

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hi ST, I think you have missed out my question.

My question is if I were to have about 2k to invest monthly, how should I do it every month?

Note: I realised I have PB benefits in Standchart.

  1. Should I just invest IWDA in standchart and MBH/ES3 in FSMone on whatever im short of?
  2. I think it makes sense to store all of my IWDA holdings in standchart until it hits 100k mark and I do a transfer to IBKR and leverage its narrow FX spread benefits. Am I right on this?
  3. Should I invest all 2k into a single stock that I'm short of every month to minimise the charges? Or should I spread into 3 pie and invest them regularly.

Hmm, since you're PB on SCB, it might just make sense to put everything there.
 

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[*]I think it makes sense to store all of my IWDA holdings in standchart until it hits 100k mark and I do a transfer to IBKR and leverage its narrow FX spread benefits. Am I right on this?

Not too long ago, someone reported in this thread that it is not possible to transfer from SCB to IBKR. Has that changed? Anyone successful did that recently?
 

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Hmm, since you're PB on SCB, it might just make sense to put everything there.

seems to be that case. I did some comparison and it doesn't make sense to pay IB $10 every month especially on months where I might not even use it.

Ideally, the aim is to accumulate enough in SCB and transfer it to IB. I did the comparison to see the FX spread too. The result doesnt show a big difference either. Just about 2 USD for a 7k USD conversion.

Now the question is can it be transferred from SCB to IBKR which I noticed that there are mixed answers in the forum.
 

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Hi ST,

Is there any reason why the dividend yield for VOO seems higher than VUSD, even accounting for the 15% withholding tax differential?

Anything that I had missed out? Is it due to timing differences betw the 2 funds in their distribution of dividends? Thanks!
 

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Not too long ago, someone reported in this thread that it is not possible to transfer from SCB to IBKR. Has that changed? Anyone successful did that recently?
Well the current state of reports here is that many previously said can transfer (but didn't actually try it) and then someone tried it for real and both IBKR and SCB customer services were not able to find a way to do the transfer.

Ideally, we would need more people that actually tried to do it to report here.
 

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So many fake news and wrong investment advice here? :eek:

Well the current state of reports here is that many previously said can transfer (but didn't actually try it) and then someone tried it for real and both IBKR and SCB customer services were not able to find a way to do the transfer.

Ideally, we would need more people that actually tried to do it to report here.
 
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