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I agree. For adult, its best to go private instead of school.
1. Its faster. May allow you to jump grades.
2. Music schools always scam your money by forcing you to take from grade 1




By the way, Comparing Yamaha and Kawai, which is better?


Agreed to large extent, althou most of the time, it's all depends on your progress..
Yamaha or Kawai? Depends on ones' preference.
I like Yamaha, some other may like Kawai.
There are some subtle differences between them.
For eg, I felt tt Kawai low range (bass) sound is not as rich as comparable Yamaha one.
Price wise pretty similar. Yamaha may be slightly more ex, cos more popular here.
Again usu price depends on condition of piano.
So u gotta try them, and convince urself tt u wont regret in the future owning it.
Hope this help u
 
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Hi!! I wish to take up piano lessons, I just bought it at cristofori's warehouse sale.

Can someone tell me abt lessons in school? Cuz two people here has said that the syllabus is lacking or bad in soem other way.

Can someone share how its like to learn along with the kids? (is it cheaper if u dun opt for adults class?)

Generally I wanted a school group lesson cuz there's a nice friendly atmosphere, dun really like a solo one-on-one home tuition. Is individual lesson for total beginners much better though?

IMHO I suggest u'd better learn with ppl who's of the same level/age of you.. so you wont be bored, demoralised or felt unsociable.
Sometimes I also felt tt learning in group can be more exciting, it can instill encouragement for you to move forward..

I'd say u'd better go for private 1to1. Most sch wont allow grade jumping and insist you on sticking to their syllabi which require u to buy unnecessary stuff. i hope i dun confuse u with such lenghty sentc:eek:
 

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Lessons in school are bad. They tend to ask you to buy this buy that, and drag you from not taking the exams..If you wish to go for grading,1 to 1 would be alot better since you might be able to skip grades. Afterall the price you pay is not too big of a difference.

agreed to large extent
but sch may be good for young kids, or ppl who prefer to go the slower way
 

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quens for the lao jiaos here....
i'm interested in taking piano lessons

some background info....
i'm 21 nearing ORD
looking to pick up classical pieces and not pop so would most likely going for the grading exams
no piano at home and prob won't be getting one till i'm convinced i would be able to commit
basic musical experience from sec sch band

1)would not being able to practise at home hugely affect progress? don't wanna just jump into buying one even before lessons start
2)after reading through private seems to way to go since it would mean more interactive learning compared to strict syallbus learning in schools and the hours are more flexible....any recommendations for private lessons?
 

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I dun think it's necessary to buy such ex piano (if you cannot afford it, no offence :) )
Cos last time I used to rent those cheapo china made, lousy quality piano and still manage to pass well till the last grade:) (not being arrogant or what, just sharing)
But then for diploma, i think frequent playing on Grand Piano or baby grand (not upright grand) would be necessary, though u still can practice on upright ones. Cos all the subtleties, like better touch, sound projection, sound quality, pedal feeling- would kill u if u dun master this.

IMHO, It's not a good idea to invest on piano.. cos value drops, unlike violin or other instr which (depends on the maker) usu getting more valuable as time goes by.
Unless u can afford buying those branded ones like :s8: Steinway and sons or Bosendorfer.

But then again even a concert grand would depreciate.. (cos wear and tear and other factors)
So i guess what most ppl think abt 'investing' on piano is that you buy a piano whose value dun depreciate fast like typical china made ones..

Again u might wanna take into consideration the look of piano, which most likely will 'decorate' one corner of your home.

Basically an upright piano (preferably of min height 120cm) with no broken string, all properly functioning keys and pedals (probably u'll need the middle pedal for mute purpose), and iron cast structure with cross-strung piano (all piano made in the last 30 yrs have this feature) would suffice.

i duno why people would play on a lousy sounding cheapo china made piano for years, and even using it up till the high grades. thumbs up for you for passing well thru the grades, but to me it feels like suffering for years on that lousy piano.

if u like music and wanna learn, you should buy the piano because it is good and u enjoy the music u play on the piano, and not buy the piano for investment.

music is about enjoying, not investing.
well, unless you are saying u want to learn and teach/perform to earn money later, then that's a diff issue.
 

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what is the range (cost fee) for engaging a private tutor on piano lesson?

I am a adult beginner learner in my late 20's. I might be abit 'rusty' to learn music. Moreover, i do not have any music background. Is it better to start on music theory first or concurrently on theory and practical? With private tutoring, do i need to have a piano? does the tutor comes to my house or do i go to his/her house?

I do not own any piano as i am not sure whether i will continue. Should i buy a lousy one, or a cheap acoustics piano or digital piano? silent piano sounds good to me. does anyone knows what is the range for each of these different types of pianos?

Sorry for the long questions. :yawn:
 

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i duno why people would play on a lousy sounding cheapo china made piano for years, and even using it up till the high grades. thumbs up for you for passing well thru the grades, but to me it feels like suffering for years on that lousy piano.

if u like music and wanna learn, you should buy the piano because it is good and u enjoy the music u play on the piano, and not buy the piano for investment.

music is about enjoying, not investing.
well, unless you are saying u want to learn and teach/perform to earn money later, then that's a diff issue.

Haha i totally agree with you.
You have to enjoy what you play..
So if you really cant stand the sound of lousy piano, please dont buy it, you wont touch it:D
But last time no choice.. u know what i mean $$:o
Btw, just to clarify, i dun think the piano i used last time is very lousy as in like CMI, it's just LC and pretty old. (maybe u can get it ard 1k)
So u still got to choose the best out of the bad ones:s13:

What i'm trying to say here is that as long as u practice hard enough, even a lousy piano is adequate
If i have the money of course i wanna a steinway concert grand (joking:s13:)
And this is also because for grade 8 exam you'll only be playing on an upright piano, & I would say an average one, not even upright grand.
So touch sensitivity wise is pretty much the same.

And i oso agree dun buy piano if it's for investment, it'll only depreciate, even a steinway depreciates.. not to mention the high maintenance fee
(you have to put in temperature and humidity-controlled room for 24/70
 

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quens for the lao jiaos here....
i'm interested in taking piano lessons

some background info....
i'm 21 nearing ORD
looking to pick up classical pieces and not pop so would most likely going for the grading exams
no piano at home and prob won't be getting one till i'm convinced i would be able to commit
basic musical experience from sec sch band
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Wow respect* :s13:
it's good to set your mind on classical, u will be able to get further, u know what i mean..
not to mention most classical player also find it easy to play pop
there are plenty of pop music books available..

1)would not being able to practise at home hugely affect progress? don't wanna just jump into buying one even before lessons start
2)after reading through private seems to way to go since it would mean more interactive learning compared to strict syallbus learning in schools and the hours are more flexible....any recommendations for private lessons?


1) definitely.. u need practice to improve
2) haha, feel free to pm me:)
 

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what is the range (cost fee) for engaging a private tutor on piano lesson?
i pm u

I am a adult beginner learner in my late 20's. I might be abit 'rusty' to learn music. Moreover, i do not have any music background. Is it better to start on music theory first or concurrently on theory and practical? With private tutoring, do i need to have a piano? does the tutor comes to my house or do i go to his/her house?

I do not own any piano as i am not sure whether i will continue. Should i buy a lousy one, or a cheap acoustics piano or digital piano? silent piano sounds good to me. does anyone knows what is the range for each of these different types of pianos?

Sorry for the long questions. :yawn:

I'd say do both concurrently. Learning theory w/o pract is not really effective, u'll tend to forget it cos no application.
Although for later grade you can go for practical lessons only and take theory lessons when u wanna take grading.

Most teacher would prefer you to go to their place. Unless it's near to your home, U got piano, and dun mind pay extra fee..

If you dun mind the appearence and the not-so-good build quality and sound quality, i'd suggest you buy a 2nd hand one, ard 1k.. (preferably yamaha u1 or other u-series if u can afford it ->+-3k)
U1 silent piano is ard 11k (brand new, so far never seen second one, cos v few ppl buy them,very ex imo)-. 15k can get yamaha baby grand alrd or even cheaper china made ones for 8K
Most people use the middle pedal - which acts like a mute.. so try find one that has 3 pedals..
digital piano brand new 1-3k ( my advice dun buy second hand, it's electronic stuff and once spoilt usu cannot be repaired
Unless u know well the previous owner)

i'd suggest take ur time to read the previous entries..:)
 
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hi everyone. just a brief intro on myself. i started learning classical piano at the age of 7, im 20 now. i stopped my classical piano lesson at 14 to focus on my studies, then just before my ns i took up piano for leisure for a few mths just to upgrade myself on some of the things which i didn't learn in the past . i'm thinking of taking up pop piano now, becos i feel that i have some potential in picking up tunes after listening, i cant play the exact keys and my left hand chords/arrangements are pretty simple and stagnant. at this age, my fingers aint as agile as b4. was looking up for sch but currently still kinda busy with my ns stuff. btw my camp is stay out 1 so i have some free time to take up music course. anyone who learns pop piano has any recommendation?
 

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Wow respect* :s13:
it's good to set your mind on classical, u will be able to get further, u know what i mean..
not to mention most classical player also find it easy to play pop
there are plenty of pop music books available..




1) definitely.. u need practice to improve
2) haha, feel free to pm me:)

thanks for the encouragement :)
the biggest concern now is finding a suitable place for lessons....good instructor and comfortable environment....any recommendations bro?
 

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hi all,
just a brief intro here.
i don't really have a music bg and i'm more of looking into learning to play pop piano first, then slowly venturing into other genres (classical / jazz etc)
i'm more inclined to private lessons, so any good instructors to intro?
also, i'm on a very tight budget currently, so i'm not sure whether i want to get a piano or not. i know that's going to affect the learning progress but my current $$ doesn't allow me to get a piano right away.

OT, it's so great to see this thread around. makes adult learners feel less lonely
 

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thanks for the encouragement :)
the biggest concern now is finding a suitable place for lessons....good instructor and comfortable environment....any recommendations bro?

Where u stay?
U have piano -or the kind- at home?
I do teach, I stay in cck area:yawn:

If you're lucky even if you go to cristofori u can find good teacher
But if unlucky, even if you pay $100 per hour, the teacher sometimes just doesnt suit you
Perhaps you can try out those giving free trial lesson, but then dun feel obliged to sign up for the course straight away. (keep in mind, usu they charge more.. u can figure out intuitively)
 

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hi all,
just a brief intro here.
i don't really have a music bg and i'm more of looking into learning to play pop piano first, then slowly venturing into other genres (classical / jazz etc)
i'm more inclined to private lessons, so any good instructors to intro?
also, i'm on a very tight budget currently, so i'm not sure whether i want to get a piano or not. i know that's going to affect the learning progress but my current $$ doesn't allow me to get a piano right away.

OT, it's so great to see this thread around. makes adult learners feel less lonely

got music bg or not doesnt really matter, what's important is that u can find time to practice, and u've got to be patient and enjoying what u play/practice:D

i would suggest u to start with classical. Classical provide a good fundamental.. Then from there u can easily branch out (haha not really easy but it's easier compared to learning pop first)
I know classical may sound boring, but bear with it before u get enuf technique to play pop.:s12:

r u talking abt buying new piano?
Yeah most cannot afford.. but how abt second hand one?
but u gotta choose one..
usu ur teacher will be willing to help u choose if u ask him/her courteously.. haha
cheapest keyboard (decent one) is ard 150+. and that is not gonna last long
500 u can get decent 2nd piano (got to choose one, some are cmi)
so yup, why dun u give it a thought?
 

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actually u no ned to go for piano lesson .. all u ned is just noe how to read the music score .. just like mi i figure out how to read and play ...
 

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i disagree.
one can self learn to read music. but in order to grasp the fundamental right and foundation learned well, you need a good teacher.

Cheap or expensive doesn't matter. What matters is you understand what the teacher explain, learn and master it correctly. both the teacher and student must click also else, one duck one chicken how?

whether to learn in music school or with private teacher, its up to you. i prefer private since both the teacher and student can freely fix another time if they need to. music school very "mafan". i taught before in music school i know. for a teacher, teaching in music school means you never have lack of students (politics, your people skill may result otherwise.. ) but you will have to accept the 40-50% (ops..) commission. it sucks..

For piano wise, in my experience, the better the piano given to the student for the foundation years, the faster the student will be able to 'grow' to utilise what the piano can offer. though in practical, buy the best you can afford. upgrade later. get someone who know the design and engineering behind piano building will help to find the best piano for your buck..

i tend to use different methods for different students so that they can master what they lack faster.

if you need to find good teachers, email me at victorkk@gmail.com. i don't check here often, just happen to past by. i do a little part time on weekends. i may teach you or can refer you to my teachers if you are really advanced.
 

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i disagree.
one can self learn to read music. but in order to grasp the fundamental right and foundation learned well, you need a good teacher.

Cheap or expensive doesn't matter. What matters is you understand what the teacher explain, learn and master it correctly. both the teacher and student must click also else, one duck one chicken how?

whether to learn in music school or with private teacher, its up to you. i prefer private since both the teacher and student can freely fix another time if they need to. music school very "mafan". i taught before in music school i know. for a teacher, teaching in music school means you never have lack of students (politics, your people skill may result otherwise.. ) but you will have to accept the 40-50% (ops..) commission. it sucks..

For piano wise, in my experience, the better the piano given to the student for the foundation years, the faster the student will be able to 'grow' to utilise what the piano can offer. though in practical, buy the best you can afford. upgrade later. get someone who know the design and engineering behind piano building will help to find the best piano for your buck..

i tend to use different methods for different students so that they can master what they lack faster.

if you need to find good teachers, email me at victorkk@gmail.com. i don't check here often, just happen to past by. i do a little part time on weekends. i may teach you or can refer you to my teachers if you are really advanced.


Haha agreed to most..
Yea, you definitely need a teacher if you really wanna learn to play properly.
Playing piano it's not only abt reading notes:s22:
Good teacher definitely able to adjust his/her teaching style to suit your learning style/pace.

Btw, I think decent second hand upright would be a good start for most of us..
but if u got $$$ to burn, pls go ahead:D
For me it's either that or grand piano..:s13:
 
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Where u stay?
U have piano -or the kind- at home?
I do teach, I stay in cck area:yawn:

If you're lucky even if you go to cristofori u can find good teacher
But if unlucky, even if you pay $100 per hour, the teacher sometimes just doesnt suit you
Perhaps you can try out those giving free trial lesson, but then dun feel obliged to sign up for the course straight away. (keep in mind, usu they charge more.. u can figure out intuitively)


thanks for the offer bro but i live in bedok so its kinda way out haha
luckily my friend offered to teach me or referring me to his teacher who has been teaching him for 10+ years...

but seems like based on his advise it would be pretty hard to improve and pick up if i'm not able to practice at regularly both due to stayin in ns and not having a piano at home...so i figured i'll put lessons on hold patiently till i ord in half a year's time :)
 

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thanks for the offer bro but i live in bedok so its kinda way out haha
luckily my friend offered to teach me or referring me to his teacher who has been teaching him for 10+ years...

but seems like based on his advise it would be pretty hard to improve and pick up if i'm not able to practice at regularly both due to stayin in ns and not having a piano at home...so i figured i'll put lessons on hold patiently till i ord in half a year's time :)

Haha.. no prob bro
yea, most important thing when u learn piano is to practice regularly..:)
 
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