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Leave sg, buy pte annuity as alternative if accepted by CPF! :s13:
The first choice requires terminating one's right of abode in Singapore, not merely leaving. The second choice does not necessarily require a purchase; an employer-provided traditional lifetime pension, or a family-provided lifetime trust fund, generally qualify. A third choice is never to work (for pay) for an employer in Singapore.

Those not free choices.
All three are perfectly viable choices, available to adults to decide freely.
 

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The first choice requires terminating one's right of abode in Singapore, not merely leaving. The second choice does not necessarily require a purchase; an employer-provided traditional lifetime pension, or a family-provided lifetime trust fund, generally qualify. A third choice is never to work (for pay) for an employer in Singapore.

U must be crazy to choose this (in red), see below in red :s13:

All three are perfectly viable choices, available to adults to decide freely.
Q Can I leave CPF LIFE after I have joined?

A Once you have joined or are placed on CPF LIFE, you can only leave the scheme for the following reasons.

You have a medical condition which causes you:
- to be physically or mentally incapacitated from ever continuing in any employment; or
- to have a severely impaired life expectancy; or
- to lack capacity within the meaning of Section 4 of the Mental Capacity Act (MCA) and the lack of capacity is likely to be permanent; or
- to be terminally ill.

You are about to leave / have left Singapore and West Malaysia permanently with no intention of returning for work or to live.

You are a Malaysian citizen and have left Singapore permanently to live in West Malaysia.

You are fully exempted from setting aside the retirement sum in your Retirement Account because you are receiving a monthly pension / annuity payout.

The CPF LIFE Standard Plan, the CPF LIFE Escalating Plan and the CPF LIFE Basic Plan have a refund feature. This means you will receive a refund of the savings used to join CPF LIFE less any monthly payouts you received before leaving. No interest will be refunded. You may not receive a refund if we have paid out all your savings that you used to join CPF LIFE in the form of monthly payouts.


Q Can I be excluded from CPF LIFE if I already have a private annuity or a pension?

A If you are receiving lifelong monthly pension or payouts from your life annuity bought using cash, you may be fully exempted from setting aside the Full Retirement Sum in your Retirement Account and need not join CPF LIFE.
 
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The first choice requires terminating one's right of abode in Singapore, not merely leaving. The second choice does not necessarily require a purchase; an employer-provided traditional lifetime pension, or a family-provided lifetime trust fund, generally qualify. A third choice is never to work (for pay) for an employer in Singapore.


All three are perfectly viable choices, available to adults to decide freely.
we are singaporeans, most would not make a choice with these just to opt out of CPF Life.

Only PRs will consider those choices!
 

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talk viable choice, not available choice!

Back to the topic on choice of CPF Life Plans!

It's not a choice. It's mandatory at the start. Those are exceptional options not easily available to all. No use talking about exceptions.
 

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Got an advice to use SRS money to buy annuities. anyone has experience or thinking of doing that?
 

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Would you get an annuity when you are just in your 20s?

I came across old European couples when travelling years back. They planned their retirement well and had been travelling the world for 2 years when I met them.

Thinking of placing aside a portion for annuity but the rates can be quite low. (Guaranteed).
 

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yes, i would.
if there are any plans that actually allow you to buy.
buy at 21, and start payout at 55, escalating (inflation) for life.
 

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yes, i would.
if there are any plans that actually allow you to buy.
buy at 21, and start payout at 55, escalating (inflation) for life.

Insurance companies love people like you. :D

I guess you got a lot of limited paying WL policies.
 

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Would you get an annuity when you are just in your 20s?

I came across old European couples when travelling years back. They planned their retirement well and had been travelling the world for 2 years when I met them.

Thinking of placing aside a portion for annuity but the rates can be quite low. (Guaranteed).

Bought for my children. Cover Legacy and Retirement across 3 generations. I think this is the trend now

https://www.greateasternlife.com/sg...lth-accumulation/prestige-life-rewards-2.html

https://www.aia.com.sg/en/our-products/platinum/aia-platinum-gift-for-life.html
 

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yes, i would.
if there are any plans that actually allow you to buy.
buy at 21, and start payout at 55, escalating (inflation) for life.

You dun use insurance to build annuity. Normally it pays after the fifth year.
 

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yes, i would.
if there are any plans that actually allow you to buy.
buy at 21, and start payout at 55, escalating (inflation) for life.

From 21 to 55, any annuity plan will give you around 3+ to 4% p.a compounded (XIRR). I suggest that if you could build your wealth starting from age 22, do invest in IWDA+EIMI... and then buy the annuity plan at 55.
 

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45 would be ideal or your children turn 16. 55 too late.
The payout can be useful to buy the children WL and subsequently your retirement. When you not around it pays the children for life as they are the life assured and finally when your children not around it pays your grandchildren.
 

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From 21 to 55, any annuity plan will give you around 3+ to 4% p.a compounded (XIRR). I suggest that if you could build your wealth starting from age 22, do invest in IWDA+EIMI... and then buy the annuity plan at 55.

Yeah.

The returns from annuity can be low when compared to other relatively safer tools (long term).

Which is why quite hesitant of putting a lump sum for annuity when I can buy ETFs for the long run. Which may give me better returns.
 

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Yeah.

The returns from annuity can be low when compared to other relatively safer tools (long term).

Which is why quite hesitant of putting a lump sum for annuity when I can buy ETFs for the long run. Which may give me better returns.

USD is pretty high. So are the ETFs. So you are buying lesser and lesser. When USD drop the value of your units drop too. FX is only 1 of the risk. There are other hidden ones not revealed to you.

Get the foundation solid first. Not the other way round.
 

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USD is pretty high. So are the ETFs. So you are buying lesser and lesser. When USD drop the value of your units drop too. FX is only 1 of the risk. There are other hidden ones not revealed to you.

Get the foundation solid first. Not the other way round.

By foundations you mean like savings and bonds?

I recently placed a policy with NTUC 50k @ 2.15% p.a for 3 years. ( Short term)

Thinking of placing another 50k at SSB till maturity.

I am still holding 200k awaiting for good timing to enter the market. These would most likely be divided among developed/developing economies for long term, till retirement 3 decades later.
 
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