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Profitable Plots Back in Court

IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE REPUBLIC OF SINGAPORE
EXAMINATION OF JUDGMENT DEBTORS
IN THE HIGH COURT
BEFORE THE ASSISTANT REGISTRAR ADRIAN JAMES
TUESDAY, 19 APR 2011, AT 2:30 PM, CHAMBER 2-5

CASE NO. S926/2010 SUM221/2011
PLANTIFF/S : ESPN STAR SPORTS (PREMIER LAW LLC)
DEFENDANT/S: PROFITABLE PLOTS PTE. LTD. & ORS (STERLING LAW CORPORATION)
 

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Profitable Group Profitable ?

is Profitable Group Profitable ?

It was for the owners. Concorde Village purchased for 3M UKP sold to investors around the world for 50M - 70M UKP depending on plot price.

Gross Profit at least 47M UKP (S$100M).

Not so good for investors.
Concorde Village investor purchase price 54 Sq metres was 8000 UKP. Liquidation value today before expenses less than 100 UKP. Bulk London Greenbelt with no development prospects is selling for around 3 UKP per square metre. Small green belt plots in the middle of other plots with no access rights would be worth a lot less because of transfer fees and other admin costs.

Investor Loss per plot = 7800 UKP - 8000 UKP per plot
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Profitable Group website seems to have gone away. Have they closed down fully now ?
 

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Not sure what is your intention ?

Of course, no one with the right mind should sell their plot now. They should not even be panic and listen to 'interested' party. As an investor, they should exercise independent thinking and have a clear mind. Those with the right mind, should not and must not let go of their TP1 document to any strangers.
As of Jan 2010,1 ha of london land will be 4M pounds, there are a total of 50 ha. The amount should work out to be 200M pounds. Check it out at UK Land official release figures.
I believe all actions will be judged according to one's intent. I wrote this to warn those panic investors. post your email, I will pick it up and respond to you.
 

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Profitable Plots Concorde Village £3 UKP per Square metre rationalisation

As of Jan 2010,1 ha of london land will be 4M pounds, there are a total of 50 ha. The amount should work out to be 200M pounds. Check it out at UK Land official release figures.

Rachel this is just not true. You are living in fantasy land or you have some vested interest in keeping people confused.
You are talking about London building land with planning permission.
Profitable Plots Concorde Village is Green Belt Land in one of the poor boroughs of London. It is on the flight path for the busiest airport in the world Heathrow Airport. The land cannot be used for farming. Hounslow local authority has made clear statements that Concorde Village cannot be developed

The London Borough of Havering is a rich borough. 168.49 Acres of Green Belt farm Land was sold recently "with potential for development" . This has exactly the same greenbelt and planning status as Profitable Group Concorde Village (no chance!). It is not on the Heathrow airport flight path and it can be used for farming.

Price 2M UKP for 168 Acres = 68 HA = 679,872 Sq Metre
http://media.primelocation.com/SPGR/SPCF/SPCF_CHM080212/BROCH_01.PDF

Price Per Acre 11,905 UKP

Price Per Hectare 29,416 UKP
Price Per Square Metre 2.94 UKP

Based on this real market pricing 50 HA of Concorde Village is worth 1.5 Million UKP not the 200 Million UKP you claim. Based on the same pricing an 8x8 53 Sq Metre Concorde Village "Profitable Plot" is worth 155 UKP. Hounslow Greenbelt is not worth as much as Havering. After selling and transfer fees a Profitable Group Concorde Village plot is probably worth less than 100 UKP . It is certainly worth less than 200 UKP.

The London Borough of Havering green belt land at Romford is currently being offered by another Land Banking company in Singapore for 150 UKP per square meter! That is 50 times markup with no change in green belt status. This is even more markup than Profitable Group were applying with the same almost zero chances of success.

The UK Land Banking games continue in Singapore.
 
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28th April - Profitable Plots meeting Singapore

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporebusinessnews/view/1124777/1/.html

Securities Investors Association Singapore (SIAS) said it is aware of the plight of people who have invested in various Profitable Plot schemes.

In a media statement, SIAS said it will conduct a dialogue session with concerned Profitable Plot investors at 7pm on May 28 to discuss possible action for investment recovery.
SIAS will also assist with legal counsel.
Land banking firm Profitable Plots Private Limited is currently under probe by the Commercial Affairs Department.
Previous reports said that investors have put in some S$23.5 million in the company's products.
About 4000 such investors who bought the products expecting high returns are now at risk of losing their money.
Some investors have alleged that the risks of the investments were never fully explained to them.

Link to event registration (Free) http://sias.org.sg/index.php?option=com_event&controller=show&task=show&id=103
 
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Seems that the date is different. Today reported that it is on 28May11, but at SIAS website, it is on 28Apr11

Dialogue Session with Profitable Plot Investors
Event Date:28 April 2011
Event Time:7:00pm - 9:00pm
Closing Date:28 April 2011
Medium:English
Venue:MND Auditorium
Address:5 Maxwell Road, MND Building Annexe A Singapore 069110
Fee (Member):Free
Fee (Non-member):N/A
Fee (Student):Free
 

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Profitable Plots in Court again

TUESDAY, 3 MAY 2011, CHAMBER 2-3
S/N CASE NO. S926/2010 SUM221/2011
PLAINTIFF/S:
ESPN STAR SPORTS (PREMIER LAW LLC)
DEFENDANT/S:
PROFITABLE PLOTS PTE. LTD. & ORS (STERLING LAW CORPORATION)
SUBJECT MATTER : EXAMINATION OF JUDGMENT DEBTOR

I looked this up in Google and it says:-

The losing party to a lawsuit who owes money to the winning party is called a judgment debtor. If the judgment isn't paid, the winning party, called the judgment creditor, may get an "Order for Examination of Judgment Debtor." This is a procedure used to find out where the judgment debtor works, keeps money, and what assets he or she possesses.

I wonder if ESPN would share that information with the investors ? After all many investors invested based on advertising that ESPN ran because ESPN are supposed to be a reputable company ?
 

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Syndications Inc Canada - Cease Trade Order

Syndications Canada Inc which was associated with Profitable Group ( SCI operate out of the Profitable Group old offices at 80 Bloor Street,Toronto, Ontario in Canada) and was offering Concorde Village UK Land Banking Plots in Canada has been issued with a cease trade order by the Ontario Securities Commission.

You can see it here:- http://www.osc.gov.on.ca/en/SecuritiesLaw_ord_20110422_223_energy-syndications.htm

Hopefully the Singapore CAD and Ontario Securities commission are talking to each other. Dan Strumos from SCI was the person mentioned in the Profitable Group UK Guardian article here and famously quoted here as saying:-

Our headquarters are in Singapore and that would be the last place on earth for corporate shenanigans because the penalty for it is death."

I think some investors might hope that is true :D
 
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More legal cases for Profitable Plots

http://www.malaysianlaw.my/industrial-court-guru-dhillon-v-profitable-plots-sdn-bhd-5602.html

Interesting parts are:-

The hearing in this court which was scheduled for 21st and 22nd October 2010 could not be proceeded with as COW1 was in Singapore. On the next hearing date, 7th January 2011, COW1 was again unable to attend court as he was still in Singapore and the respondent's counsel informed the court that his passport had been impounded by the Singapore authorities.

The case was mentioned several times thereafter to monitor COW1's passport status. Subsequently, as the matter was dragging too long, the court assigned fresh trial dates i.e 7th and 8th April 2011. On 7th April 2011 the respondent's counsel informed the court that he was discharging himself from the case as he had not been able to communicate with COW1
COW1 is Profitable Plots Managing Director Tim Goldring

As for the remedy sought, since COW1, the respondent's managing director, is himself stranded in another country, namely, Singapore, the court considers that reinstatement is inappropriate. It will instead award monetary compensation.

The court therefore awards the claimant the sum of RM125,334.72
The respondent shall pay the said sum of RM125,334.72 to the claimant's solicitors within 30 days from the date of this award

That would be about S$60K in employee compensation for being fired 4 years ago. Perhaps the Malaysian courts are trying to send a message here. I cant see it being paid.
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And even more here from Straits Times 19 May

http://www.singaporelawwatch.sg/rem...ml?utm_source=rss subscription&utm_medium=rss

A DIRECTOR of investment firm Profitable Plots, being probed by the Commercial Affairs Department (CAD), went to court yesterday seeking to get her passport back from the police.
Mrs Geraldine Nordmann, 43, a Singaporean, said she wants to leave the country to reside in Johor Baru as she cannot afford to live here. Her requests to the CAD to release her passport had been rejected.
Prosecutors objected, arguing that her intention to live in JB was 'highly suspect' and that her accommodation problem was a 'self-created crisis'. Justice Choo Han Teck adjourned the case to May 25 to consider the arguments from both sides.

'Allowing the return of her passport poses a serious risk that all investigative work would come to naught should she abscond,' said the DPP.
 
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Profitable Plots Speak Up - Shock Awe

According to a business times article Profitable Plots have "responded to investors"

(SINGAPORE) The directors of Profitable Plots - the land banking company currently being investigated by the white-collar crime police for allegedly not paying its investors - have responded to calls from Singapore's minority rights group to explain themselves to their investors.

They said 'the company can inform its clients that a contract to sell a major piece of land in the Philippines was signed on Aug 4, 2010; was notarised in Singapore on Aug 5, 2010; was witnessed and sealed by the Philippines Embassy in Singapore on Aug 6, 2010; was sent to the Philippines on Aug 7, 2010, and arrived in the Philippines on Aug 10, 2010.

'CAD raided the offices of the company on Aug 11, 2010, and removed all documentation of the company. On Aug 12, 2010, the CAD froze all bank accounts belonging to the company. The CAD's investigations from Aug 11, 2010 have led to the suspension of the contract (signed on Aug 4) by the purchaser. The purchaser has informed the company that it will reopen negotiations with the company only after CAD investigations are completed,' the directors said.

So the company claims to have sold land in the Philippines to a party unknown and the transaction was being rushed through as the CAD raided them. Perhaps they would like to talk about the value of that sale, the end customer, and how much they were going to return to investors. This could of course be completely above board but it also could have been an attempt to quickly unload assets for cash that could be moved elsewhere.

They said the CAD investigations were also partly to blame for the company not holding an annual general meeting (AGM) or filing a statutory annual return - which caused three directors to be fined $1,000 each, a fine they paid on May 30. The statement said the return could not be filed because the necessary documents had been seized by the CAD, while the company's bank accounts were frozen.

'The directors were placed in an impossible position as they were unable to finish the audit and hold the AGM. Not all the directors of the company were charged with the offences,' it said.

It went on to say that 'the directors of the company have continued to work, at their own cost, to protect the interests of the clients and the company'.
'The company can confirm that no clients have lost ownership of the products they purchased from the company.

Based on all available information those products are pretty much worthless. The UK green belt land Profitable were touting with estimated returns in 3 years in Colchester, Nafferton, and Concorde Village Hounslow is worth a few dollars per square metre before legal and administrative costs . Nobody knows what the Philippines land is worth because of the complete lack of transparency on that transaction both from Profitable Plots and the Philippines authorities. Based on other Profitable Group land investments I wouldnt be holding my breath for a big payout.
For those investors that purchased shipments of Boron do they own it ? Is the Boron still somewhere out on boat (probably the titanic) on the way to Atlantis ?
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The company will not, however, be communicating with groups claiming to represent clients who have obtained client details through illegal means or blogs populated with comments by unidentified persons,' the directors' statement concluded.

Hmm :s13: Well fancy that. Honest ethical Profitable Group attacking nasty evil blogs for telling the truth. Profitable Group spend millions of dollars’ of investors money on appalling adverts featuring retired English footballers, and use ESPN and a Singapore operation to give an image of rock solid high profit investments, and these nasty bloggers go and ruin it all for free by mentioning that almost certainly you wont get your money back.

To investors sorry. It isn’t going to be OK and you should worry.

Previous reports have estimated that about 1,500 Singaporeans and 4,000 foreigners have invested in Profitable Plots.

And pretty much all of those have lost almost every cent they invested. But they do own some plots of useless land in the UK
 

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25% return Per annum = super risky,

u stupid piece of S H I T , thats freakin low to me.

UK land ? what s h i t business is that , why do people want to buy land when land does not appreciate , people are buying land in china not UK or US where the economy is dying




A 12.5% return over 6 months equate to a 25% return Per annum. Whatever they are going to invest in is going to be super risky and they want you to bear a part of the risk for them.

Imagine you are in their shoes, you have a great energy deal which can get you a lot of profits but you do not have enough funds. Your options are:

1)approach your local banks
2)approach financial companies/moneylenders(higher interest than banks)
3)raise funds from the local communities
4)start an energy investment scheme in UK
5)Start an energy investment scheme in EURO
...

99)cross thousands of miles to a small place in Singapore to raise funds

"Guaranteed" is it in Black and white or just verbal? Check the exact words on the contract.
Guaranteed by who? some small company under a big group?

For your info, all investments scheme in Singapore have to be regulated by MAS or else it is clearly illegal. However it does not mean MAS "guaranteed" the returns. Whatever promises that have been made to you, check it out on your own. Trust Only yourself and facts.
 
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ESPN suing Profitable Plots for failing to pay up
10 Jun 2011

SINGAPORE - Broadcaster ESPN Star Sports is suing landbanking firm Profitable Plots, which is under police investigation following complaints of cheating, for failing to pay close to US$4 million (S$4.9 million).

Meanwhile, investigations by the Commercial Affairs Department into Profitable Plots are ongoing after 229 complaints were made by investors who claimed they were cheated of S$23.5 million.

No criminal charges have been pressed on the company's directors and the matter is due in court July 8.


source:
http://www.todayonline.com/Singapor...-suing-Profitable-Plots-for-failing-to-pay-up

;)
 
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Updates on the court hearing

Court gave 4 more months to CAD to conclude the investigation. Next hearing 8th of November.
 

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this guy look familiar?

the scum who sold me CV plot is now working for another UK investment company...

see who the sales manager is in this page

castlewoodgroup.com/management.html
 

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the scum who sold me CV plot is now working for another UK investment company...

see who the sales manager is in this page

castlewoodgroup.com/management.html
Yup certainly the same scum...looking for new suckers...beware.
 

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Seems to have gone quiet but still legal actions going on:-

ESPN v Profitable Plots back in Singapore courts on 22nd August Case ref S926/2010 Chamber 4a.

Carlene Irene Marcele v Profitable Plots in Brunei courts on 13th September 2011 9.00am, Iccs 9/10

Singapore Stanley Street Profitable Group Offices are gone and replaced by another company.
 

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The story was almost unbelievable

Looks like the case may end sooner than expected. A big disappointment!!

http://www.martinlee.sg/profitable-plots-directors-allowed-to-leave-singapore/

Correct me if I'm wrong.
Just right before the verdict hearing both directors got their passport released by CAD and AGC without any permission from High Court and both directors fled to UK and France. Their house in Singapore has been sold and also all belongings have been shipped out to France. The reason for leaving the country was for the director to attend a wedding in UK. Is this a joke? We are talking about at least $28 million here.
 
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