Proposal Ring - Part 2

[DawnMin]

quote:Hey guys i chanced upon this forum and gotten myself the scopes to test out my diamonds but i can’t make out anything from these images, it is way far off from the pictures that can be found on web and here

Couldn’t find anything that is similar to these images for comparison at all
i think i’ve gotten myself a lousy diamond? …ugh…
Any pros can help?

i was informed of this post when someone bumped me to view this picture.

sorry dude, this most probably isn't a diamond. get it appraised and you'll get answers. Where did you buy this "diamond"?[/QUOTE]

Actually this is probably a diamond. I'm going to say 90% chance it is. Any cz or diamond simulants are purposely cut extremely well since they're so cheap they would never bother about weight retention

The high crown angle and large culet means its most probably a really old passed down diamond, cut grade probably fair, poor

 

[paulgian]

disagree with the analysis. this "stone" has no culet. Very unlikely to be a passed down stone. The age of the stone is probably less than 15 years old.

 

[DawnMin]

disagree with the analysis. this "stone" has no culet. Very unlikely to be a passed down stone. The age of the stone is probably less than 15 years old.

15 years is old...

 

[paulgian]

to 1000smiles, please post grading certificate if any.

when you bought the "stone" with the cert, the cut grade given should be indicative of the light performance to some extent.

if you bought the stone after seeing the cert and knowingly see that the cut grade is very good/good, then it still makes sense for the pictures you posted. if you were told that you are getting a diamond with best light performance, then you were probably misled.

would be good to know where you bought the stone from as well.

 

[Des126]

Whoever mentioned that was an ideal % for lower girdles? It depends on the table as well as the proportions, brands like hearts on fire favor small lower girdles for higher fire lower brightness

Of course it depends on the table as well as crown angle and pavilion angle and not just the lower girdles. This has been highlighted many times that we can't just judge if it is an Ideal stone by just looking at single parameter. I just want to highlight that this lower girdle % is very close to 90% which is far beyond Ideal range. Do you think there is a combination that can make an 90% lower girdle become Ideal? Of cource not. Correct me if i'm wrong.

By the way i learnt from below.

The Diamond Dictionary: The Super Ideal Cut Diamond

 

[babyjyo]

lol, he is quite emo so I didn't ask for discount. He told me it is already discounted at a price of 5.3k as he got it for more. The specs cant be change as he has already got the ring.

0.61 G VS1 Super Ideal HCA 1.3.

If 5.2k is a good buy I may get it. Please help.

If this is for a proposal, for goodness sake, please put in more effort in getting the perfect diamond and ring for her. This is a ring for a lifetime. Get a ring that suits her personality and style.

Not considering the above point. Unless the setting itself is priced at about 1-1.5k, and if its a first hand, it may be an ok price. However, I would find it at a high price considering it as a second hand. Besides, I doubt there is a "discount" (or its very marginal). Please also factor in the risk of getting it "2nd hand".

 

[cokiee]

Even if it is a JP super ideal? How much would be gd? 5k? Furthermore, I am only interested in the diamond, not the setting.

If this is for a proposal, for goodness sake, please put in more effort in getting the perfect diamond and ring for her. This is a ring for a lifetime. Get a ring that suits her personality and style.

Not considering the above point. Unless the setting itself is priced at about 1-1.5k, and if its a first hand, it may be an ok price. However, I would find it at a high price considering it as a second hand. Besides, I doubt there is a "discount" (or its very marginal). Please also factor in the risk of getting it "2nd hand".

I agree with babyjyo here. To me, what you're clearly interested in is simply the diamond, but the price that you've been quoted is for the diamond together with the setting. This doesn't make sense, because you're paying for something you don't actually want.

Also, you've not factored the opportunity cost that you've lost by not looking at other items around the same price range. And then there's the psychological thing that this is something that someone didn't want, and because of a failed relationship at that.

ultimately though i think only you can decide. everyone else on any forum can tell you their own opinion, but they won't be the ones paying

 

[LimWilfred]

Visited JP again and received the super impose photos of both the cushion brellia and the round cut on my GF’s finger
Understand that Swirlsurfer13 mentioned bout lesser but bigger-sized ‘flashes of light’ (brellia) or more but smaller-sized ‘flashes of light’ (solasfera), I’d prefer the bigger-sized ‘flashes of light’.
Any comments? I think I’m leaning more towards the cushion brellia, the shape fits better on my GF’s meaty finger

So after the decision on diamonds would then be the ring setting? Another headache…

 

[hnrch42]

Visited JP again and received the super impose photos of both the cushion brellia and the round cut on my GF’s finger
Understand that Swirlsurfer13 mentioned bout lesser but bigger-sized ‘flashes of light’ (brellia) or more but smaller-sized ‘flashes of light’ (solasfera), I’d prefer the bigger-sized ‘flashes of light’.
Any comments? I think I’m leaning more towards the cushion brellia, the shape fits better on my GF’s meaty finger

So after the decision on diamonds would then be the ring setting? Another headache…

It has to be the Cushion Brellia for me, but that's my opinion
It's unique, from far it looks like a round diamond, but when it's nearer it tells a different story and that it's cushion in shape.
One of the interesting thing that captivates me alot are the smoothed out round corners, it looks slick.
Then again, I do like the idea of having 10 Hearts & Arrows for the Solasfera. The way it gives out sparkles is like a blazing ball, but in the end I'd still pick the Cushion Brellia hahah

 

[Zenithzach1975]

the cushion brellia lahhhh... see the straight edges follow her bah bah well

 

[thorjakarest]

Hello guys, all my friends from church recommended me to jannpaul, this is really important for me. Please please please give me some feedback to help make up my mind. I was showed the brellia like the others but my girlfriend prefers a round diamond, so I’m deciding between a 0.60 vvs2 e solasfera and 0.71 vs1 e super ideal. I’ve seen both of them in person and the solasfera is really so stunning next to even their super ideal (I can’t imagine if it’s next to a normal ideal diamond or lousy one).
I’m leaning more towards the solasfera, my girlfriend’s ring size is at 45 so it’s pretty small, which would look better, solasfera or super ideal?

 

[BoulevardLim]

Visited JP again and received the super impose photos of both the cushion brellia and the round cut on my GF’s finger
Understand that Swirlsurfer13 mentioned bout lesser but bigger-sized ‘flashes of light’ (brellia) or more but smaller-sized ‘flashes of light’ (solasfera), I’d prefer the bigger-sized ‘flashes of light’.
Any comments? I think I’m leaning more towards the cushion brellia, the shape fits better on my GF’s meaty finger

So after the decision on diamonds would then be the ring setting? Another headache…

Agreed, ring setting is another headache but you can always get them to help!
Anyway, I think the brellia looks better for your girl friend's meaty finger, the fitting looks better

Hello guys, all my friends from church recommended me to jannpaul, this is really important for me. Please please please give me some feedback to help make up my mind. I was showed the brellia like the others but my girlfriend prefers a round diamond, so I’m deciding between a 0.60 vvs2 e solasfera and 0.71 vs1 e super ideal. I’ve seen both of them in person and the solasfera is really so stunning next to even their super ideal (I can’t imagine if it’s next to a normal ideal diamond or lousy one).
I’m leaning more towards the solasfera, my girlfriend’s ring size is at 45 so it’s pretty small, which would look better, solasfera or super ideal?

Both are nice and decision making is always hard, it comes back to what kinda sparkle effects you want actually.
I'd prefer the Super Ideal, but go with your heart buddy

 

[Zenithzach1975]

Hello guys, all my friends from church recommended me to jannpaul, this is really important for me. Please please please give me some feedback to help make up my mind. I was showed the brellia like the others but my girlfriend prefers a round diamond, so I’m deciding between a 0.60 vvs2 e solasfera and 0.71 vs1 e super ideal. I’ve seen both of them in person and the solasfera is really so stunning next to even their super ideal (I can’t imagine if it’s next to a normal ideal diamond or lousy one).
I’m leaning more towards the solasfera, my girlfriend’s ring size is at 45 so it’s pretty small, which would look better, solasfera or super ideal?

what church you go to? city harvest?

since u can see the difference then go with your gut feeling get solasfera...
if diamond size is the concern i think you no need worry so much... size 45 like very mini..my wife's 48 already mini.. 45 even more mini... both diamonds will look big big on her hands..

 

[cokiee]

Visited JP again and received the super impose photos of both the cushion brellia and the round cut on my GF’s finger
Understand that Swirlsurfer13 mentioned bout lesser but bigger-sized ‘flashes of light’ (brellia) or more but smaller-sized ‘flashes of light’ (solasfera), I’d prefer the bigger-sized ‘flashes of light’.
Any comments? I think I’m leaning more towards the cushion brellia, the shape fits better on my GF’s meaty finger

So after the decision on diamonds would then be the ring setting? Another headache…

I vote the brellia! Looks pretty good there.

Hello guys, all my friends from church recommended me to jannpaul, this is really important for me. Please please please give me some feedback to help make up my mind. I was showed the brellia like the others but my girlfriend prefers a round diamond, so I’m deciding between a 0.60 vvs2 e solasfera and 0.71 vs1 e super ideal. I’ve seen both of them in person and the solasfera is really so stunning next to even their super ideal (I can’t imagine if it’s next to a normal ideal diamond or lousy one).
I’m leaning more towards the solasfera, my girlfriend’s ring size is at 45 so it’s pretty small, which would look better, solasfera or super ideal?

I think you've already told us that you're gonna get the solasfera there, no?

 

[TurkMan]

Hello guys, all my friends from church recommended me to jannpaul, this is really important for me. Please please please give me some feedback to help make up my mind. I was showed the brellia like the others but my girlfriend prefers a round diamond, so I’m deciding between a 0.60 vvs2 e solasfera and 0.71 vs1 e super ideal. I’ve seen both of them in person and the solasfera is really so stunning next to even their super ideal (I can’t imagine if it’s next to a normal ideal diamond or lousy one).
I’m leaning more towards the solasfera, my girlfriend’s ring size is at 45 so it’s pretty small, which would look better, solasfera or super ideal?

I would go for the Solasfera Got one myself

 

[pete98]

So, 4.9/4.8k for that stone is not worth it at all? given the current pricing for Super Ideal diamonds? Thanks. maybe he kana Chop at JP. now even sadder buy a stone for nth.

Personal opinion that 4.8K/4.9K for a stone of that size(0.61), color(G) and clarity(VS1) seems rather high even for a Super Ideal Cut.

 

[Cotton1]

Hi guys!! This is Part 2- Continuation of my retail shopping experience.

Mondial (Paragon)
Sales person was very knowledgeable and seemed to know what he was talking about.
Their diamonds are GIA certified (I tend to avoid shops that sells other certificates like IGI). So this was a plus point for me.
They emphasize alot about the proportions of the diamond and follow a "49 parameters" rule.
They have a Mondial Cut which is their Signature range (57 facets) and limit to D-G Color and Flawless-VS1 Clarity. They don't carry diamonds with fluorescence, which is also another plus point for me.

If I do get from them, I would only consider their Mondial Cut. Was quoted 0.63 F VVS2 for about $7k.
They seem to be better priced compared to the other retailers.. but need to read more about their "49 parameters" rule..

Charlotte (Wisma)
Famous for the Tolkowsky diamond cut, their Signature diamond (also 57 facets).
He is famous diamond cutter to come up with the Ideal proportions of a diamond in the 1900s.

They've also got another diamond called the Gabrielle cut (105 facets). Almost double the facets of a normal round!
They did a diamond comparison for me with the Gabrielle and a 57 facet diamond. The Gabrielle looked much better.. However, the 57 facet diamond they used for comparison was not their Tolkowsky cut, but a lower quality one. (I realized alot of shops do this with their special cuts.. using a lousy 57 facets against their higher faceted diamond).

One thing I discovered though is none of their diamonds are GIA certified. They use their own certificate called the Tolkowsky or Gabrielle cert.. essentially, they certify their own diamonds. The lady explained to me that diamonds with these certificates would appreciate in value over the years because their certificates are more special and limited.. Personally, I'm not too sure about that.

Was quoted Tolkowsky 0.58 G VS2 for $10.5k
Gabrielle cut 0.55 G VS1 for $9.5k

I guess you're paying more for the story of the diamond..

Gold Heart (Wisma)
They seem to carry quite a number of different brand cuts that can be quite confusing..
They have the normal 57 facet diamond and also another range called the Arctica Ice (also 57 facets). From the name itself, their diamonds are from the arctic region which makes it more special? They don't have a tight quality control of it as they carry Very Good Cuts and above.. I'm not sure is it my eyes, but I find that the diamonds from the Arctica Ice range looking very dark... Not as in it looks more yellow but like a darker shade of grey.

They have a modified Round too called the Celestial cut (73 facets).
A Celestial 0.58 F SI1 will set you back $6.8k. Most of their diamonds are SI quality and they didn't have any VVS-VS for me to look at when I was there.

 

[Berjaya_080]

need help

i like to share my picture but i can't paste the picture here, how do i do it?

 

[shawnlau]

Dear all, if in the GIA cert, the fluorescence stated faint, is this damond ok? How much difference is it to none?

Then how about the polish? If it is just very good?

 

[justpiano]

Dear all, if in the GIA cert, the fluorescence stated faint, is this damond ok? How much difference is it to none?

Then how about the polish? If it is just very good?

I would avoid diamonds with fluorescence unless you are getting a very yellow diamond. I'd rather sacrifice on the clarity and keep the Polish an Excellent.