Proposal Ring - Part 2

[NoviaL]

Normally, These spots are inclusions, which generally are graded by its clarity. As you go down the grades of clarity, these spots would get more and be more obvious. They dont affect the performance.

Thanks babyjyo for the prompt reply to my question..mine is a VS1...so is it common to have these spots? David have told us that no diamond is perfect but..just that we didn't notice the spots when my guy purchase am kind of worry about the spots..

 

[babyjyo]

Thanks babyjyo for the prompt reply to my question..mine is a VS1...so is it common to have these spots? David have told us that no diamond is perfect but..just that we didn't notice the spots when my guy purchase am kind of worry about the spots..

Yes, it will be visible under the scope if it is vvs1 and below. When clarity is measures, its only under 10x scope face up. So, this means that, there will still be inclusions or blemishes even for an FL/IF diamond. A VS1 diamond is already very high on clarity. From the naked eye, you would not be able see these inclusions or spots. So dont worry about it. If you are particular, you can get an IF clarity diamond, but in monetary sense, it does not justify the value as clarity does not generally affect performance (unless, perhaps it is graded very lowly).

 

[NoviaL]

Yes, it will be visible under the scope if it is vvs1 and below. When clarity is measures, its only under 10x scope face up. So, this means that, there will still be inclusions or blemishes even for an FL/IF diamond. A VS1 diamond is already very high on clarity. From the naked eye, you would not be able see these inclusions or spots. So dont worry about it. If you are particular, you can get an IF clarity diamond, but in monetary sense, it does not justify the value as clarity does not generally affect performance (unless, perhaps it is graded very lowly).

Thanks for making me feel so much better..could you pls help to advise or comment more if I provide you with the specs? COLOUR E,CARAT 0.46,CLARITY VS1, CUT/POLISH/SYMMETRY EXCELLENT, DEPTH 61.5°, TABLE 56°, CROWN ANGLE 34.5° , PAVILION ANGLE 40.8°, CHARACTERISTIC CLOUDY, NEEDLE, CRYTSAL? Thanks a lot!!!!

 

[Draculav]

Yes, it will be visible under the scope if it is vvs1 and below. When clarity is measures, its only under 10x scope face up. So, this means that, there will still be inclusions or blemishes even for an FL/IF diamond. A VS1 diamond is already very high on clarity. From the naked eye, you would not be able see these inclusions or spots. So dont worry about it. If you are particular, you can get an IF clarity diamond, but in monetary sense, it does not justify the value as clarity does not generally affect performance (unless, perhaps it is graded very lowly).

FL is Flawless le.. The definition of flawless is being entirely without flaw or imperfection. There will not be any inclusions or blemishes for FL clarity.

As long as the diamond is eye clean, it won't affect the performance. So paying more $$ for the FL is a waste of money to me... Can use the $$ to go for a bigger size instead

 

[Draculav]

Thanks for making me feel so much better..could you pls help to advise or comment more if I provide you with the specs? COLOUR E,CARAT 0.46,CLARITY VS1, CUT/POLISH/SYMMETRY EXCELLENT, DEPTH 61.5°, TABLE 56°, CROWN ANGLE 34.5° , PAVILION ANGLE 40.8°, CHARACTERISTIC CLOUDY, NEEDLE, CRYTSAL? Thanks a lot!!!!

HCA is 1.3
These are just the basic numbers though..

You can try follow bedposthalo format with the full details.

 

[Onew_Key]

Other than Jann Paul and other common jewellery shops, is there any other recommendation on where to get diamond rings?

 

[blade007]

Other than Jann Paul and other common jewellery shops, is there any other recommendation on where to get diamond rings?

Here's some reply from previous posts:
Yuen Tung
Josi Gems
White Dwarf
Lovis Diamonds
The Engagement Ring Shop
Fairy's Inc
Ling's Jewellery
The Ounce
Caratell Diamonds
Canary Diamonds
Vivo Diamonds
Lovida Diamonds

Good luck in your search

 

[elnos86]

Carat: 0.52
Color: F
Clarity: VS2
Clarity Characteristics: Crystal , Cloud

Cut Grade: Excellent
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent

Crown Angle: 34.0
Pavilion Angle: 40.8
Table: 56%
Depth: 61.6%

Star Length: 55%
Lower Girdle Length: 75%

Fluorescence: None

Picture of Aset scope: Waiting for picture
Picture of Hearts and Arrows scope: Waiting for picture


2nd choice
Carat: 0.65
Color: F
Clarity: VS2
Clarity Characteristics: Crystal, Needle, Feather, Knot

Cut Grade: Excellent
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Very Good

Crown Angle: 36.0
Pavilion Angle: 40.6
Table: 56%
Depth: 62.6%

Star Length: 50%
Lower Girdle Length: 75%

Fluorescence: None

Picture of Aset scope: NIL
Picture of Hearts and Arrows scope: NIL

got it...! thanks thanks
what about this one
what is the hca score?

Shape and style: Cushion Brilliant
Color: F
Clarity: VS2
Clarity Characteristics: Key to symbols Feather , crystal

Cut Grade: AGS IDEAL 0
Light Performance: AGS IDEAL 0
Polish: AGS IDEAL 0
Symmetry: AGS IDEAL 0

Crown Angle: 34.5
Pavilion Angle: 40.7
Table: 57.9%
Depth: I think is 50.7%

Star Length: NIL
Lower Girdle Length: NIL

Fluorescence: Negligible

 

[bedposthalo]

got it...! thanks thanks
what about this one
what is the hca score?

Shape and style: Cushion Brilliant
Color: F
Clarity: VS2
Clarity Characteristics: Key to symbols Feather , crystal

Cut Grade: AGS IDEAL 0
Light Performance: AGS IDEAL 0
Polish: AGS IDEAL 0
Symmetry: AGS IDEAL 0

Crown Angle: 34.5
Pavilion Angle: 40.7
Table: 57.9%
Depth: I think is 50.7%

Star Length: NIL
Lower Girdle Length: NIL

Fluorescence: Negligible

You can calculate the HCA score yourself at Holloway Cut Advisor | HCA Tool | PriceScope

It's only meant to be used for the round 57 facets diamonds. It won't work for the rest of the cuts. I assume yours is the Cushion Brellia from the AGS Ideal (0) grading.

Other cuts, like the Solasfera or Brellia, you will need to use the scopes to analyze the diamond. The scopes are more accurate than the HCA score anyway. I would prioritize the scopes over the HCA score or proportions. The proportions only shows the angles of specific facets of the diamond whereas with the scopes, you can see everything and all the facets.

For cushion shape diamonds, you can say the Brellia is the best Cushion cut diamond becos of the hearts and arrows. Other cushion shapes are cut differently.

 

[xzienlyiia]

Decision decision..

Hello everybody! After reading thousands of threads in this line, it is my turn to seek for help. Here goes my first post.

After going to different retail stores (tiffany, leehwa, sookee, de beers, love and co.) I am now at JP. I found these two diamonds that are within the budget my boyfriend sets and now I have to pick between one for my ring.

Both are under super ideal cut and GIA certified.

Diamond one - $5,050
Carat weight: 0.61
Color grade: F
Clarity Grade: VVS2
Cut Grade: Excellent

Clarity Characteristics: Pinpoint, Cloud
Finish
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None

61.6% Depth
57% Table
34.5 degree Crown Angle
40.8 degree Pavilion Angle

Light Return - Excellent
Fire - Excellent
Scintillation - Excellent
Spread - Very Good

HCA: 1.4


Diamond two - $4,650
Carat weight: 0.61
Color grade: G
Clarity Grade: VS1
Cut Grade: Excellent

Clarity Characteristics: Crystal, Needle, Pinpoint
Finish
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None

61.3% Depth
56% Table
34.5 degree Crown Angle
40.8 degree Pavilion Angle

Light Return - Excellent
Fire - Excellent
Scintillation - Excellent
Spread - Very Good

HCA: 1.2

I know the differences are super minimal but..
The difference in price is $400. To take the F or G!?
Hope to hear from you guys!


Oh I have chosen the classic tiffany setting to go with.

 

[bedposthalo]

Hello everybody! After reading thousands of threads in this line, it is my turn to seek for help. Here goes my first post.

After going to different retail stores (tiffany, leehwa, sookee, de beers, love and co.) I am now at JP. I found these two diamonds that are within the budget my boyfriend sets and now I have to pick between one for my ring.

Both are under super ideal cut and GIA certified.

Diamond one - $5,050
Carat weight: 0.61
Color grade: F
Clarity Grade: VVS2
Cut Grade: Excellent

Clarity Characteristics: Pinpoint, Cloud
Finish
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None

61.6% Depth
57% Table
34.5 degree Crown Angle
40.8 degree Pavilion Angle

Light Return - Excellent
Fire - Excellent
Scintillation - Excellent
Spread - Very Good

HCA: 1.4


Diamond two - $4,650
Carat weight: 0.61
Color grade: G
Clarity Grade: VS1
Cut Grade: Excellent

Clarity Characteristics: Crystal, Needle, Pinpoint
Finish
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None

61.3% Depth
56% Table
34.5 degree Crown Angle
40.8 degree Pavilion Angle

Light Return - Excellent
Fire - Excellent
Scintillation - Excellent
Spread - Very Good

HCA: 1.2

I know the differences are super minimal but..
The difference in price is $400. To take the F or G!?
Hope to hear from you guys!


Oh I have chosen the classic tiffany setting to go with.

For $400 you can upgrade to a F Color and VVS2 Clarity. That's quite tempting... haha.
On a serious note, can you tell the difference between the color? The color will be more prominent than the clarity. To me, I feel G is good enough.. but it depends on what your gf wants too..

 

[GhostpiG]

For $400 you can upgrade to a F Color and VVS2 Clarity. That's quite tempting... haha.
On a serious note, can you tell the difference between the color? The color will be more prominent than the clarity. To me, I feel G is good enough.. but it depends on what your gf wants too..

That is the gf lol.

Not me ah.
I meant the one asking the question.

Im not a pro so not putting any comments.

 

[Crazy85]

Need your advice on the diamonds, those in red and blue are updated figure with picture. Thank you guys.

0.52 VS2 F $3580 (GIA)

Carat: 0.52
Color: F
Clarity: VS2
Clarity Characteristics: Crystal Cloud

Cut Grade: Excellent
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent

Crown Angle: 34
Pavilion Angle: 40.8
Table: 56
Depth: 61.6

star length: 55%
lower half: 75% (Is this the lower gridle length)
gridle: Medium to slightly thick, faceted, 3.5%

Fluorescence: none

0.51 F VS2 $3500 (GIA certified)

Carat: 0.51
Color: F
Clarity: VS2
Clarity Characteristics: Feather

Cut Grade: Excellent
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent

Crown Angle: 34.5
Pavilion Angle: 40.6
Table: 56
Depth: 61.8

star length: 55%
lower half: 75% (Is this the lower gridle length)
gridle: Medium to slightly thick, faceted, 3.5%

Fluorescence: None

0.51ct G VS2 $3,200 (GIA certified)

Carat: 0.51
Color: G
Clarity: VS2
Clarity Characteristics: Crystal, Cloud Finish

Cut Grade: Excellent
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent

Crown Angle: 34.0
Pavilion Angle: 40.8
Table: 57
Depth: 61.3

star length: 55%
lower half: 75% (Is this the lower gridle length)
gridle: Medium to slightly thick, faceted, 3.5%

Fluorescence: None

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0.52ct F VS1 $3,650 (GIA certified)

Carat: 0.52
Color: F
Clarity: VS1
Clarity Characteristics: Crystal, Knot, Feather Finish

Cut Grade: Excellent
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent

Crown Angle: 34.5
Pavilion Angle: 40.8
Table: 57
Depth: 61.6

star length: 50%
lower half: 80% (Is this the lower gridle length)
gridle: Medium - slightly thick, faceted, 4%

Fluorescence: None
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[xzienlyiia]

Re: Decision decision..

That is the gf lol.

Not me ah.
I meant the one asking the question.

Im not a pro so not putting any comments.

For $400 you can upgrade to a F Color and VVS2 Clarity. That's quite tempting... haha.
On a serious note, can you tell the difference between the color? The color will be more prominent than the clarity. To me, I feel G is good enough.. but it depends on what your gf wants too..

Hahahaha yes I am the girlfriend. Boyfriend let me pick something within his budget and I have two choices now so SOS please~

To: Bedposthalo > I know right! $400 can upgrade to a colorless level seems so good hahaha! Mm I placed two diamonds together and can tell there are slight differences in color. The G is slightly yellowish as compared to the one in F color. I wondered if is because I know there is one that is a G color and one in F that's why I will try to tell to tell the difference.

 

[bedposthalo]

That is the gf lol.

Not me ah.
I meant the one asking the question.

Im not a pro so not putting any comments.

Hahahaha yes I am the girlfriend. Boyfriend let me pick something within his budget and I have two choices now so SOS please~

To: Bedposthalo > I know right! $400 can upgrade to a colorless level seems so good hahaha! Mm I placed two diamonds together and can tell there are slight differences in color. The G is slightly yellowish as compared to the one in F color. I wondered if is because I know there is one that is a G color and one in F that's why I will try to tell to tell the difference.

Oops!! lol.. didn't know you were the gf

I guess the question would be how much it will bother you, or if it bothers you at all. Sometimes it can be psychological too cos you know which one is the whiter one. If it was me, I'll be tempted to go for the F VVS2 since there's not much of a price difference

 

[xzienlyiia]

Re: Decision decision..

Hahahaha yes I am the girlfriend. Boyfriend let me pick something within his budget and I have two choices now so SOS please~

To: Bedposthalo > I know right! $400 can upgrade to a colorless level seems so good hahaha! Mm I placed two diamonds together and can tell there are slight differences in color. The G is slightly yellowish as compared to the one in F color. I wondered if is because I know there is one that is a G color and one in F that's why I will try to tell to tell the difference.

Oops!! lol.. didn't know you were the gf

I guess the question would be how much it will bother you, or if it bothers you at all. Sometimes it can be psychological too cos you know which one is the whiter one. If it was me, I'll be tempted to go for the F VVS2 since there's not much of a price difference

Yes I guess so too. The scope/loupe images looked very much the same to me too. Only the hearts and arrows contours are abit different. As to your previous reply, $400 for an upgrading to F color and VVS2 is worthy investing then? Not like it's an atrocious thing right?

 

[GhostpiG]

Hahahaha yes I am the girlfriend. Boyfriend let me pick something within his budget and I have two choices now so SOS please~

To: Bedposthalo > I know right! $400 can upgrade to a colorless level seems so good hahaha! Mm I placed two diamonds together and can tell there are slight differences in color. The G is slightly yellowish as compared to the one in F color. I wondered if is because I know there is one that is a G color and one in F that's why I will try to tell to tell the difference.

Personally, if u just see them alone.
I bet u can't tell.
Only when u put side by side, den u can tell but still if the grade is not made known to u, I dont think u can tell which grade..

Personally, I was in the similar case. But I used the money to upsize.
Hahahah!

But then its up to u!

 

[bedposthalo]

Need your advice on the diamonds, those in red and blue are updated figure with picture. Thank you guys.

0.52 VS2 F $3580 (GIA)

Carat: 0.52
Color: F
Clarity: VS2
Clarity Characteristics: Crystal Cloud

Cut Grade: Excellent
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent

Crown Angle: 34
Pavilion Angle: 40.8
Table: 56
Depth: 61.6

star length: 55%
lower half: 75% (Is this the lower gridle length)
gridle: Medium to slightly thick, faceted, 3.5%

Fluorescence: none

0.51 F VS2 $3500 (GIA certified)

Carat: 0.51
Color: F
Clarity: VS2
Clarity Characteristics: Feather

Cut Grade: Excellent
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent

Crown Angle: 34.5
Pavilion Angle: 40.6
Table: 56
Depth: 61.8

star length: 55%
lower half: 75% (Is this the lower gridle length)
gridle: Medium to slightly thick, faceted, 3.5%

Fluorescence: None

0.51ct G VS2 $3,200 (GIA certified)

Carat: 0.51
Color: G
Clarity: VS2
Clarity Characteristics: Crystal, Cloud Finish

Cut Grade: Excellent
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent

Crown Angle: 34.0
Pavilion Angle: 40.8
Table: 57
Depth: 61.3

star length: 55%
lower half: 75% (Is this the lower gridle length)
gridle: Medium to slightly thick, faceted, 3.5%

Fluorescence: None

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0.52ct F VS1 $3,650 (GIA certified)

Carat: 0.52
Color: F
Clarity: VS1
Clarity Characteristics: Crystal, Knot, Feather Finish

Cut Grade: Excellent
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent

Crown Angle: 34.5
Pavilion Angle: 40.8
Table: 57
Depth: 61.6

star length: 50%
lower half: 80% (Is this the lower gridle length)
gridle: Medium - slightly thick, faceted, 4%

Fluorescence: None
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The scope images are nice!
Yup, the lower half is the lower girdle length.
The combinations of 55/75 and 50/80 is a good and optimizes the performance. In terms of Cut, these 2 diamonds are already superior with great proportions. The deciding factors would be other other 3Cs.

 

[bedposthalo]

Yes I guess so too. The scope/loupe images looked very much the same to me too. Only the hearts and arrows contours are abit different. As to your previous reply, $400 for an upgrading to F color and VVS2 is worthy investing then? Not like it's an atrocious thing right?

If the upgrade would make you much happier, I think it'll be a worthy investment Also depends how much $400 means to you too... If it does not affect your lifestyle (Eg. need to eat rice and soya sauce for 1 week), then might as well go for it

 

[xzienlyiia]

Re: Decision decision..

Personally, if u just see them alone.
I bet u can't tell.
Only when u put side by side, den u can tell but still if tue grade is not made know, I dont think u can tell which grade..

Personally, I was in the similar case. But I used the money to upsize.
Hahahah!

But then its up to u!

Hahahahaha! You sure understand my pain! Yes! I wish I can upgrade the carat weight with that $400 but JP does not have any for me to upgrade. Maybe it is a sign of telling me not to be greedy, can only take up to 0.61 hehheh

Yeah I guess I would not be able to tell too. Both are so bling but I have to make a decision soon, if not later someone else buys them away then I will stab myself

Already missed out a tiffany's so not wise to let this deal slip off..