Proposal Ring - Part 2

[kaysee]

Thanks! I actually went down for an appointment and was shown some diamonds.

Amanda, the owner seems to favour Carat > All else. She disregards Cut and says that Carat/Color is the first thing that ladies see and discern the most.

I told her that I wanted to view ASET scope images and she also mentioned that ASET scope was over marketed, together with the importance of cut.

Initially went to JP and was educated that CUT was king followed by Carat/Color/Clarity.

Right now I'm facing a dilemma because I can get a bigger Carat at Clarity for my money, versus what i can get at JP.

Any bros can get advise?

It seems like you're leaning towards getting a bigger carat for your budget. All depends what you want. If u feel that u can get a bigger carat at eclarity then go ahead. Of course u shld get them to find a diamond that is not of lousy cut and doesn't look bad under scope. You tell them the specs u want, they find for u, u pay money. Don't think it's that hard for them. Like I say, my friend's diamond of that specs I mentioned is really bling.

 

[brightside]

It seems like you're leaning towards getting a bigger carat for your budget. All depends what you want. If u feel that u can get a bigger carat at eclarity then go ahead. Of course u shld get them to find a diamond that is not of lousy cut and doesn't look bad under scope. You tell them the specs u want, they find for u, u pay money. Don't think it's that hard for them. Like I say, my friend's diamond of that specs I mentioned is really bling.

Definitely leaning towards bigger carat because I agree that out of the 4Cs, Carat is the most obvious to spot with the naked eye, after that would be fire/scintillation/brilliance.

Any other bros bought from eClarity too? Please share! Thanks

 

[Draculav]

Thanks! I actually went down for an appointment and was shown some diamonds.

Amanda, the owner seems to favour Carat > All else. She disregards Cut and says that Carat/Color is the first thing that ladies see and discern the most.

I told her that I wanted to view ASET scope images and she also mentioned that ASET scope was over marketed, together with the importance of cut.

Initially went to JP and was educated that CUT was king followed by Carat/Color/Clarity.

Right now I'm facing a dilemma because I can get a bigger Carat at Clarity for my money, versus what i can get at JP.

Any bros can get advise?

Lol.. I think she's trying to smoke you bro.. Carat is only the weight it does not affect the brilliance of the diamond.. neither does the color.

JP got explain why Cut > Carat before. A better Cut will make the diamond look bigger. A lower carat diamond with better cut can look bigger than a higher carat with a lousier cut.

ASET is to analyze the light return of the diamond. It's to check if the diamond have bad light leakages. Essentially its used to check how shiny your diamond is going to be. IMO, I think its actually one of the most important scope out of all of them.

 

[brightside]

Lol.. I think she's trying to smoke you bro.. Carat is only the weight it does not affect the brilliance of the diamond.. neither does the color.

JP got explain why Cut > Carat before. A better Cut will make the diamond look bigger. A lower carat diamond with better cut can look bigger than a higher carat with a lousier cut.

ASET is to analyze the light return of the diamond. It's to check if the diamond have bad light leakages. Essentially its used to check how shiny your diamond is going to be. IMO, I think its actually one of the most important scope out of all of them.

Yes i definitely agree that Cut is important as well as ASET scope images.

Which was why I was abit disappointed when eClarity felt otherwise. I felt that they should've respected my decision. However, I'm still going to ask if I can request to view the ASET scope on my second visit.

Currently there are three diamonds that I'm deciding.

JP's Ideal 0.85G VS2 (8600 with setting) HCA 0.9
GIA 6167737760


eClarity's 0.9F VS1 (7400 with setting) HCA 1.4
GIA 2207264841

eClarity's 0.92F VS1 (8900 with setting) HCA 1.9
GIA 6205184864

Based on Ideal Scope & H&A images, JP one is better than the eClarity one for sure. But Just wanted to see what you guys think.

 

[kaysee]

Yes i definitely agree that Cut is important as well as ASET scope images.

Which was why I was abit disappointed when eClarity felt otherwise. I felt that they should've respected my decision. However, I'm still going to ask if I can request to view the ASET scope on my second visit.

Currently there are three diamonds that I'm deciding.

JP's Ideal 0.85G VS2 (8600 with setting) HCA 0.9
GIA 6167737760


eClarity's 0.9F VS1 (7400 with setting) HCA 1.4
GIA 2207264841

eClarity's 0.92F VS1 (8900 with setting) HCA 1.9
GIA 6205184864

Based on Ideal Scope & H&A images, JP one is better than the eClarity one for sure. But Just wanted to see what you guys think.

Whoa, the 0.9F pricing looks good. Triple excellent? Why so cheap? Maybe got fluorescent and maybe there's bad inclusion? My phone can't open that link. Anyway no doubt a good cut will make the diamond looks big, but what's the point when it looks like 1 carat from our eyes but in actual fact people ask how big you say it's 0.95 carat only. Not sure if u guys agree la.

It's very realistic nowadays, ur gf's friend will ask how big and what colour is her diamond, not the rest. She can't be telling her friends 'oh it's 0.95c only but because my bf got a good cutting that's why it looks like 1 carat'. Haha.

But of course on your side make sure u get a diamond of decent cut to make sure it shines well. If no choice then u try to squeeze ur budget Abit and get a better specs from JP lor?

 

[beckslim]

Lol.. I think she's trying to smoke you bro.. Carat is only the weight it does not affect the brilliance of the diamond.. neither does the color.

JP got explain why Cut > Carat before. A better Cut will make the diamond look bigger. A lower carat diamond with better cut can look bigger than a higher carat with a lousier cut.

ASET is to analyze the light return of the diamond. It's to check if the diamond have bad light leakages. Essentially its used to check how shiny your diamond is going to be. IMO, I think its actually one of the most important scope out of all of them.

Definitely leaning towards bigger carat because I agree that out of the 4Cs, Carat is the most obvious to spot with the naked eye, after that would be fire/scintillation/brilliance.

Any other bros bought from eClarity too? Please share! Thanks

The aset scope is widely used by diamond experts all over the world to determine the diamond quality. Anyway, if you search on the internet, there is alot of research done by experts showing how useful it is.

For me, its just a matter of how much worth I can get for my money. Buying a diamond is not an everyday affair and I would want the best value I can get.. You can't go wrong choosing a better quality.

 

[thesal]

Yes i definitely agree that Cut is important as well as ASET scope images.

Which was why I was abit disappointed when eClarity felt otherwise. I felt that they should've respected my decision. However, I'm still going to ask if I can request to view the ASET scope on my second visit.

Currently there are three diamonds that I'm deciding.

JP's Ideal 0.85G VS2 (8600 with setting) HCA 0.9
GIA 6167737760


eClarity's 0.9F VS1 (7400 with setting) HCA 1.4
GIA 2207264841

eClarity's 0.92F VS1 (8900 with setting) HCA 1.9
GIA 6205184864

Based on Ideal Scope & H&A images, JP one is better than the eClarity one for sure. But Just wanted to see what you guys think.

The cost difference between the 0.9 and 0.92 is so huge lor... this cost discrepancy make me feel concerned about the cut.

anyway, Eclarity was originally one of my shortlisted shop to visit but I didn't visit in the end.. got mine at JP instead

 

[Symbol]

hello bros and sis!!
Got my scope images!
how does these scope images look?

Scopes are looking good

 

[brightside]

Whoa, the 0.9F pricing looks good. Triple excellent? Why so cheap? Maybe got fluorescent and maybe there's bad inclusion? My phone can't open that link. Anyway no doubt a good cut will make the diamond looks big, but what's the point when it looks like 1 carat from our eyes but in actual fact people ask how big you say it's 0.95 carat only. Not sure if u guys agree la.

It's very realistic nowadays, ur gf's friend will ask how big and what colour is her diamond, not the rest. She can't be telling her friends 'oh it's 0.95c only but because my bf got a good cutting that's why it looks like 1 carat'. Haha.

But of course on your side make sure u get a diamond of decent cut to make sure it shines well. If no choice then u try to squeeze ur budget Abit and get a better specs from JP lor?

Yes I agree with what you say.. which is why I'm wondering if its fully practical to consider CUT > carat.

The aset scope is widely used by diamond experts all over the world to determine the diamond quality. Anyway, if you search on the internet, there is alot of research done by experts showing how useful it is.

For me, its just a matter of how much worth I can get for my money. Buying a diamond is not an everyday affair and I would want the best value I can get.. You can't go wrong choosing a better quality.

Yeah, I'm also looking to try and get my money's worth which is why I'm not rushing into this purchase. Thanks!

The cost difference between the 0.9 and 0.92 is so huge lor... this cost discrepancy make me feel concerned about the cut.

anyway, Eclarity was originally one of my shortlisted shop to visit but I didn't visit in the end.. got mine at JP instead

Yea... I've requested for the H&A images but haven't gotten the 0.9 one from them.

For the 0.92F VS1 from eClarity -

Doesn't look fantastic TBH.

By the way, has anyone heard of White Dwarf?

 

[thesal]

Yes I agree with what you say.. which is why I'm wondering if its fully practical to consider CUT > carat.



Yeah, I'm also looking to try and get my money's worth which is why I'm not rushing into this purchase. Thanks!



Yea... I've requested for the H&A images but haven't gotten the 0.9 one from them.

For the 0.92F VS1 from eClarity -

Doesn't look fantastic TBH.

By the way, has anyone heard of White Dwarf?

Have not heard of White Dwarf, but I feel that their 0.9 is better than the JP 0.85. Both have good H&A structures but White Dwarf aset scope looks cleaner. (or maybe it's just the image resolution)

JP 0.85

White Dwarf 0.9

 

[Grizz.P]

Have not heard of White Dwarf, but I feel that their 0.9 is better than the JP 0.85. Both have good H&A structures but White Dwarf aset scope looks cleaner. (or maybe it's just the image resolution)

JP 0.85

White Dwarf 0.9

I'm not sure if you realized this, but the one from WD are not actual scope pictures. Those are computer calculated pictures of how it's "suppose" to look like..

 

[thesal]

I'm not sure if you realized this, but the one from WD are not actual scope pictures. Those are computer calculated pictures of how it's "suppose" to look like..

No wonder it's so clean. Then I don't know how to tell which is better.

 

[brightside]

I'm not sure if you realized this, but the one from WD are not actual scope pictures. Those are computer calculated pictures of how it's "suppose" to look like..

Does this mean they arent accurate? Better to view in person?

 

[Grizz.P]

Does this mean they arent accurate? Better to view in person?

If it's not the actual pictures, I don't think it's very accurate

 

[v3locity]

my turn to give me simple review of JP.

served by Joy from JP. good attitude, full of smiles, not bad for a start. left without any confirmation.

few days later i went to a shop in tanjong pagar. served by a gentleman. showed me a few stones, i narrowed down to 1 and requested for the gia cert but was only given a printed copy. i asked to see a few more stones for comparison. decided to leave and do more homework, he seems kind of pissed.

next day i immediately email Joy, giving her a few cert number to see if she can offer something similar. Jann called me shortly, explaining to me that the stones i viewed at tanjong pagar are not in singapore, but with their diamond cutters overseas. i felt sort of cheated

ultimately, Jann managed to find a little stone of my required specs and my limited budget. very happy with his service and dedication, i decided to make place a deposit.

to summarise, JP knows that they are offering, they might not be the cheapest, but you can be assured you are getting quality stuffs

below are some of my images, 0.42, F, VS1. thank you for reading

what's your total damage?

 

[HumpDramp]

How do you guys choose your setting design? Don't know if I should go for the simple one or with the small diamonds on the ring.. or customize... Even if I want to customize, don't really know what to customize.. lol

It'll be easier if I can just bring her down to choose... but that will spoil the surprise..

 

[bedposthalo]

How do you guys choose your setting design? Don't know if I should go for the simple one or with the small diamonds on the ring.. or customize... Even if I want to customize, don't really know what to customize.. lol

It'll be easier if I can just bring her down to choose... but that will spoil the surprise..

Depends on her taste and style.. is she a simple person? or those artsy type?
You can refer to JP's design guide http://jannpaul-diamonds-jann.blogspot.sg/

Personally, I prefer those white and rose gold type. Something more special but still keeping it simple.

 

[Spee_Dy]

Followed my friend to collect his ring. Very bling man. He got a Super ideal cut. FYI, its a 0.9ct. If he didn't tell me the size, I would think its a 1ct. The cutting makes it look bigger.

 

[chill_lax]

Scopes are looking good

Just asking, for the hearts' scope..at 5 to 8 o clock, got the yellowish patch instead of white..may I know how to interpret that? Thanks!

 

[Symbol]

Just asking, for the hearts' scope..at 5 to 8 o clock, got the yellowish patch instead of white..may I know how to interpret that? Thanks!

Someone asked that before. The colored patches on the edges are because of the reflection and is ok. As long as the hearts are all even and symmetrically formed its fine. The colors are more for the other scopes like the Ideal and Aset