Proposal Ring - Part 2

[xtwis7]

Most of their posts are about jannpaul so i guess must be tio caught for advertising for JP. Self advertising not allowed

Wah, potential saga if it turns out to be true. So all those 'customers' with the rings are fake?

 

[cokiee]

been lurking around here for a while now - i'd like to see how this pans out. Any mods around want to clarify?

 

[DawnMin]

Wah, potential saga if it turns out to be true. So all those 'customers' with the rings are fake?

not possible i have spoke to Jhchoo personally before
jann from JP posted a long post yesterday evening regarding feitonglong's ring
now their post and feitonglong(the one you quoted) is gone

for what reason would mods delete posts?

 

[carebearz]

Question is.. why would you go LeeHwa, Tiffany, etc over Jann Paul?
You'll be paying alot more for the brand name, rather than the quality of the diamond. They don't go through the diamond testing tools like the Ideal/Aset/H-A Scope to show you how good the diamond is. With Jann Paul, at least you know you're getting the best quality.. and you can get a bigger diamond with them for the same price.

I had wanted a Tiffany ring all my life and yes, I admit I was sucked into the marketing blitz of the little blue box. Having said this, nevertheless, I did extensive research when the time came for me to buy the ring. My SO and me went shopping, stepping into Tiffany, Cartier, Larrys, Lee Hwa, Soo Kee, independent jewellers like JP, Canary etc etc. We stepped into each store at least 3 times each and did extensive research.

Summary of our research, for a certain range say 0.5-1c, branded rings such as Tiffany and Cartier are actually priced pretty much on the same range as local/independent jewellers. And we were looking at platinum setting.

Granted that their specs may be slightly lower, say an E colour compared to a D colour, everything else the same, Tiffany and Cartier may cost a couple of bucks more.

Talking about full retail prices here, prices are actually pretty close between designers and local jewellers.
Thing is local jewellers always have sale, thus making the the rings a lot cheaper.

In the end, we went with a Tiffany and my SO had so many people telling him he was dumb not to go for a bigger/better ring for the money he paid at Tiffany.

His answer? "It's about giving her what she wants and not what others or I think she should have.".

We may have made an illogical decision and people think I'm just dumb to get into all the the marketing hype. But at the end of the day, buy the ring that calls out to your girl, budget permitting.

 

[babyjyo]

I had wanted a Tiffany ring all my life and yes, I admit I was sucked into the marketing blitz of the little blue box. Having said this, nevertheless, I did extensive research when the time came for me to buy the ring. My SO and me went shopping, stepping into Tiffany, Cartier, Larrys, Lee Hwa, Soo Kee, independent jewellers like JP, Canary etc etc. We stepped into each store at least 3 times each and did extensive research.

Summary of our research, for a certain range say 0.5-1c, branded rings such as Tiffany and Cartier are actually priced pretty much on the same range as local/independent jewellers. And we were looking at platinum setting.

Granted that their specs may be slightly lower, say an E colour compared to a D colour, everything else the same, Tiffany and Cartier may cost a couple of bucks more.

Talking about full retail prices here, prices are actually pretty close between designers and local jewellers.
Thing is local jewellers always have sale, thus making the the rings a lot cheaper.

In the end, we went with a Tiffany and my SO had so many people telling him he was dumb not to go for a bigger/better ring for the money he paid at Tiffany.

His answer? "It's about giving her what she wants and not what others or I think she should have.".

We may have made an illogical decision and people think I'm just dumb to get into all the the marketing hype. But at the end of the day, buy the ring that calls out to your girl, budget permitting.

Fully agreed. Its not about where it is from, the size, the specs, the brand.. At the end of the day, its about the person wearing loves it. Some would only want the brand. Some do not mind the brand, but the jeweller must have a prominent shop in a prominent location. Some want as big as possible. Some want a uniqiue design. Some want something meaningful.

 

[final1]

To me, we have to factor in value for money as well as we don't want to be taken for a ride.

 

[Dirkenberg]

Had my appointment this afternoon at JP and made the following purchase :-

0.591c, Color F, VS2
Cost : 3600 + 550 basic settings

Is the price reasonable?

There was no mention that this is the super ideal diamond series throughout the entire session but i did brought up the topic on the Solasfera and Cushion Brellia seriies. Had the chance to check out the Cushion Brellia via the various scopes as well.

Now my question is - how do i verify that my purchase is the super ideal diamond (or something else)?

The AGS report indicated a cut scale of 0 (ideal) and we checked through the various scopes (looking at the symmetry / balance of the hearts and arrows, etc) for my selected diamond as well.

Sorry if this sounds like a noob question.

 

[xtwis7]

I had wanted a Tiffany ring all my life and yes, I admit I was sucked into the marketing blitz of the little blue box. Having said this, nevertheless, I did extensive research when the time came for me to buy the ring. My SO and me went shopping, stepping into Tiffany, Cartier, Larrys, Lee Hwa, Soo Kee, independent jewellers like JP, Canary etc etc. We stepped into each store at least 3 times each and did extensive research.

Summary of our research, for a certain range say 0.5-1c, branded rings such as Tiffany and Cartier are actually priced pretty much on the same range as local/independent jewellers. And we were looking at platinum setting.

Granted that their specs may be slightly lower, say an E colour compared to a D colour, everything else the same, Tiffany and Cartier may cost a couple of bucks more.

Talking about full retail prices here, prices are actually pretty close between designers and local jewellers.
Thing is local jewellers always have sale, thus making the the rings a lot cheaper.

In the end, we went with a Tiffany and my SO had so many people telling him he was dumb not to go for a bigger/better ring for the money he paid at Tiffany.

His answer? "It's about giving her what she wants and not what others or I think she should have.".

We may have made an illogical decision and people think I'm just dumb to get into all the the marketing hype. But at the end of the day, buy the ring that calls out to your girl, budget permitting.

I agree with your last point. But the difference in prices for the diamonds from .5 to 1 carats are more than a couple of bucks man. The markup is actually in thousands. At the end of the day, buy within your limits. Doesn't means your girl wants a Tiffany/Cartier and you're earning $2k and you burst 3-4x your paycheck. A house and wedding follows shortly so it all adds up.

 

[bedposthalo]

Had my appointment this afternoon at JP and made the following purchase :-

0.591c, Color F, VS2
Cost : 3600 + 550 basic settings

Is the price reasonable?

There was no mention that this is the super ideal diamond series throughout the entire session but i did brought up the topic on the Solasfera and Cushion Brellia seriies. Had the chance to check out the Cushion Brellia via the various scopes as well.

Now my question is - how do i verify that my purchase is the super ideal diamond (or something else)?

The AGS report indicated a cut scale of 0 (ideal) and we checked through the various scopes (looking at the symmetry / balance of the hearts and arrows, etc) for my selected diamond as well.

Sorry if this sounds like a noob question.

It should be super ideal since that is what they specialize in.
Maybe you can share the certificate and various scopes, we can have a looksy for you.
Price seems very reasonable.

 

[rewired]

Had my appointment this afternoon at JP and made the following purchase :-

0.591c, Color F, VS2
Cost : 3600 + 550 basic settings

Is the price reasonable?

There was no mention that this is the super ideal diamond series throughout the entire session but i did brought up the topic on the Solasfera and Cushion Brellia seriies. Had the chance to check out the Cushion Brellia via the various scopes as well.

Now my question is - how do i verify that my purchase is the super ideal diamond (or something else)?

The AGS report indicated a cut scale of 0 (ideal) and we checked through the various scopes (looking at the symmetry / balance of the hearts and arrows, etc) for my selected diamond as well.

Sorry if this sounds like a noob question.

Bro,

In this case, why don't you meet up with them and clarify with them again? Its better that way as at least you can get a piece of mind hearing from them directly rather than the people in the forum (No offense intended >.<)
Not all of us are knowledgeable in diamonds over here
I do know that they only specialize in the super ideal cut. All that do not meet their requirements are weeded out.

 

[pigusai]

trust me, they are and probably aware of this posting. A nice coincidence that some members had recently been banned. These were the same members who supposedly "exposed" and flamed other jewelry brands and yet aggressively marketing JP at every opportunity.

Who knows, they may even start accusing you that you are someone hired by good old gold to post here.

I've sent the images to gog and here's the reply from Jonathan

[FONT=&quot]"That photo you sent me looks like it may actually be computer generated. If it isn't JannPaul is using that particular image to represent the Solasfera diamond and some of them do have clean Hearts images while some do not. Since there is only 1 cutter of Solasfera diamonds I can assure you beyond a shadow of a doubt that Solasfera does not send JannPaul their best diamonds and send us their crap. If you were to see each individual Hearts image of each Solasfera cut you'll find *exactly* what it is that we show.[/FONT]"

gog doesn't use photoshop to aggressively manipulate their images unlike jp. their images represent their diamonds exactly what it is supposed to be. You can tell that their images appear more natural, with impurities showing and slight imperfections in the hearts, etc.

any ugly diamond can be photoshopped to make it look beautiful. if jp is listening, i would ask you to stop using such technique to mispresent your diamonds. i believe anyone here would prefer seeing exactly what they would be getting. we are buying diamond, not victoria secret's lingerie.

 

[carebearz]

I agree with your last point. But the difference in prices for the diamonds from .5 to 1 carats are more than a couple of bucks man. The markup is actually in thousands. At the end of the day, buy within your limits. Doesn't means your girl wants a Tiffany/Cartier and you're earning $2k and you burst 3-4x your paycheck. A house and wedding follows shortly so it all adds up.

When I was doing my research back in 2009, assuming we're comparing full retail prices, and platinum settings, for 0.5-1c, Tiffany/Cartier cost around $500-$2000 more, usually.

In some cases, for similiar specs, local jewellers cost more as their e-rings are usually set in white gold. And to customise to platinum settings, the rings actually end up costing more.

Which is why, at the end of the day, buy what your girl loves, of course, subjected to budget permitting. I know of girls who insist on having a certain ring even though the guy can ill-afford it, do guys really want to marry such girls?

And the girl, of course, if she really loves you and understands your situation, wouldn't be asking for a ring that cost more than what you can afford. (out of point in this thread).

 

[swirlsurfer13]

trust me, they are and probably aware of this posting. A nice coincidence that some members had recently been banned. These were the same members who supposedly "exposed" and flamed other jewelry brands and yet aggressively marketing JP at every opportunity.

Who knows, they may even start accusing you that you are someone hired by good old gold to post here.

This is honestly very troubling. Jann Paul replied on these forums the other day addressing one of the forumer's lost diamond. The post has been deleted. 2 members (TurkMan and Jchoo85) have been banned as well. I would like for a mod to at least give the members here some clarity on what has happened. It would also be good if Jann Paul were to address the accusations about their diamond images. This brings into suspect ALL of their scope images that were posted in this thread.

 

[skye..]

Usually the reason for mod to delete threads and ban users is when they discover the posts consist of self advertisement/commercial solicitation/spam/clones/etc. In this case, I think jchoo85, turkman, and jann got caught for doing that, so that's why their posts got deleted.

All other clones in this forum may have to watch out because once you log in and post reply with the same IP address, it will most likely be ban too.

 

[Kentz]

This is honestly very troubling. Jann Paul replied on these forums the other day addressing one of the forumer's lost diamond. The post has been deleted. 2 members (TurkMan and Jchoo85) have been banned as well. I would like for a mod to at least give the members here some clarity on what has happened. It would also be good if Jann Paul were to address the accusations about their diamond images. This brings into suspect ALL of their scope images that were posted in this thread.

I agree with you, I'd also very much hope that the mod can shed some light on this incident as well. It'd be very sad if the accusations on self-advertising is true. If they just keep on with whatever they are doing now, they would not even need to bother about advertising, word would spread by mouth.

Probably Paul & Jann might want to clarify as well, as incidents in HWZ forums tend to spin out of control and damage to your reputation will be swift.

 

[hollander]

Had my appointment this afternoon at JP and made the following purchase :-

0.591c, Color F, VS2
Cost : 3600 + 550 basic settings

Is the price reasonable?

There was no mention that this is the super ideal diamond series throughout the entire session but i did brought up the topic on the Solasfera and Cushion Brellia seriies. Had the chance to check out the Cushion Brellia via the various scopes as well.

Now my question is - how do i verify that my purchase is the super ideal diamond (or something else)?

The AGS report indicated a cut scale of 0 (ideal) and we checked through the various scopes (looking at the symmetry / balance of the hearts and arrows, etc) for my selected diamond as well.

Sorry if this sounds like a noob question.

Hi,

It's better to give them a call to clear your mind on the type of the diamond that you have purchased, as most of the people suggested here, it would be a super ideal round H&A.

From your selected diamond, if it has 8 arrows/heart then its their super ideal, their solasfera have 10 arrows/heart and ofcourse cushion brellia have cushion shape like.

 

[Kentz]

I've received a long reply from Paul, I think some others may have received it as well. You may wish to post it instead.

But let's give the mods, sunsetbay and Lancelot, a chance to clear things up before I posted Paul's reply here. If not may request other senior mods to clarify.

I wished to clarify here that I was never a customer of JannPaul, nor in any way affiliated to them. I just happen to get some very nice suggestions and advice from them when I was sourcing for a proposal ring for my wife more than 2 years ago. It's hard to get that kind of top notch quality & services in Singapore that's why the many good recommendations to them here, not surprising I say.

Though this forums have not been kind or receptive to other brands. I think choices are what people need. Not everyone would want or could afford to go for the top quality diamonds, they may have brand preferences as well. Preciously the reason why people buy brand car like Ferrari, is it the fastest? nope. Is it the most beautiful car ever built? Well to each his own, I suppose. The same goes for diamond purchases. What I feel is that don't impose your view of what a diamond should be onto others, which I may have been guilty of doing as well. Cheers!

 

[roystona21]

hi

Hi guys, I got an offer for the following from JP

$6100
0.72C
G
VS1
$6100
Super Ideal

Is it a good buy? Btw, I was served by a guy named Aaron, not Jann or Paul. Quite friendly and knowledgeable but most important is the value of the diamond.

I am looking at another similar 0.76C which cost $7100.

The size looks the same side by side..

Hmm guys need your opinion, I have been quoted the following:

$8300: 0.77C, E VS2, Super Ideal (no Ring Setting)

Why the big discrepancy with the above stone?

$7100: 0.76C, G VS1, Super Ideal

Do you guys think its worth it to go for the 0.77?

 

[ksapple]

sorry hijack this thread abit i am trying to get a ring for birthday present budget around 1k, will jannpaul entertain me? or is there any recommendation ?? Thank in advance

 

[hollander]

Hmm guys need your opinion, I have been quoted the following:

$8300: 0.77C, E VS2, Super Ideal (no Ring Setting)

Why the big discrepancy with the above stone?

$7100: 0.76C, G VS1, Super Ideal

Do you guys think its worth it to go for the 0.77?

One good factor would be the color from E to G, the size is almost the same .01 is very hard to differentiate.