Proposal Ring - Part 2

[Shingoz]

It will make the diamond appear blue under ultra violet light.. this also means that under sunlight, it will make the diamond appear blue and milky.. Usually people go for fluorescence if they are getting a lower color like J and below so that the milky and blueness can help offset the yellowness.

hmm from what i read its not significance if its medium or below...and it actually make the stone look a little whiter. as long as its not above strong.... it should be OK.

well is it a good or bad since the diamond color i bought is E.

 

[Zerstorer]

How much did you pay for your 0.58ct? If not from JP, where did you get it from?

Got mine from Yuentung. It was slightly over 4k for the rock.

 

[bedposthalo]

Thanks for your opinion The diamonds are from JannPaul, their Super Ideal range.. I was thinking if I should go for a smaller diamond but higher color or bigger diamond with a lower color. I don't mind changing the color and clarity to adjust the price, but won't compromise on the cut.



Would you prefer a smaller diamond with halo or bigger diamond without side diamonds? And if the overall effect is the smaller diamond with halo looking bigger than the other one..



As mentioned above, they are both Super Ideal. If Cut was the same, which one would you go for?

I would go for the halo since you said you want the diamond to look bigger.. Or you can try increasing your budget to get a bigger diamond and do a halo for the added effect. However, I know girls can be very picky with their designs and she might have a specific mindset of what design she wants. You can try asking your female friends or colleagues for opinions.. That's what I did. lol. Brought a group of female colleagues to the shop to see the different designs. The general consensus of what I gather from girls is that want everything. The diamond to be as shiny and big as possible.. which didn't help much.. lol

Jannpaul recently uploaded a halo ring on their facebk that looks quite nice..

or you can always do a double halo too that will literally double the size of your diamond.

 

[hollander]

Hmm not a lot...just that it'll appear blue under infra or sth

There had been discussion on the importance of fluorescence, as I remember if you are buying I-K colored diamond regardless of clarity, fluorescence may be of use because it will make the stone looks whiter ;-)

 

[Shingoz]

There had been discussion on the importance of fluorescence, as I remember if you are buying I-K colored diamond regardless of clarity, fluorescence may be of use because it will make the stone looks whiter ;-)

Thks! I did some reading and thankfully most mentioned that medium and above shldnt have much impact.

 

[Dicer181]

hmm from what i read its not significance if its medium or below...and it actually make the stone look a little whiter. as long as its not above strong.... it should be OK.

well is it a good or bad since the diamond color i bought is E.

Diamonds with fluorescence is good for lower colors because the milkyness of the diamond helps with the obvious yellow. No point getting fluorescence for a high color because it can make your diamond less transparent too. But as long as your happy with your diamond , its fine

 

[zarknar]

Can I seek your advice on this rock?

Dear brothers and sisters.

Can I seek your inputs/comments/advice on the 2 rocks below that I am looking at?

Thank you so much for your help. Really Appreciate it

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Rock 1
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Cost
$5.1k

HCA Score
1.2

ROUND BRILLIANT
Measurements: 5.51 - 5.55 x 3.39 mm
Carat Weight: 0.63 carat
Color Grade: E
Clarity Grade: VS1
Cut Grade: Excellent

PROPORTIONS
Depth: 61.2%
Table: 58%
Crown Angle: 34.0°
Crown Height: 14.5%
Pavilion Angle: 40.8°
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%
Star Length: 55%
Lower Half: 80%
Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted (3.5%)
Culet: None

FINISH
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None


CLARITY CHARACTERISTICS
Crystal, Needle

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Rock 2
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Cost
$3.8k

HCA Score
1.1

ROUND BRILLIANT
Measurements: 5.28 - 5.30 x 3.22 mm
Carat Weight: 0.55 carat
Color Grade: F
Clarity Grade: VS2
Cut Grade: Excellent

PROPORTIONS
Depth: 60.9%
Table: 58%
Crown Angle: 34.0°
Crown Height: 14.0%
Pavilion Angle: 40.8°
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%
Star Length: 55%
Lower Half: 80%
Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted (3.5%)
Culet: None

FINISH
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None

CLARITY CHARACTERISTICS
Crystal, Cloud

 

[felali]

Woah, really that bad? i was reading thru the GIA certs and some of the diamonds looked pretty good.

If it helps clarify a little more about Bluenile: their diamonds are all from their virtual inventory. They don't physically carry or own the diamonds from their search results, they only buy them the moment a customer places an order.

All you have are the brief specs from what their suppliers provide. Thus, the diamonds potentially suffer from inconsistent standards across the various suppliers.

In contrast, the other retailers (GOG, WhiteFlash, JamesAllen, JannPaul) are a lot more selective about the diamonds they purchase to their inventory. The diamond specs and information would be a lot more detailed and consistent (i.e. probably much more reliable).

Bluenile does however, give a very good "feel" and baseline of the price range for the diamonds you're looking for. You can type in a budget, and it helps you estimate what specs of diamonds you should expect to get. (its almost like a quick-and-dirty Rapaport guide, if you're familiar with that term). GOG/WhiteFlash/JamesAllen/JP super ideals should be just slightly more expensive than Bluenile's signature diamonds. Anything too much more expensive than bluenile prices (from other sites, or from our typical mall retail stores) should be approached with caution.

 

[felali]

Woah, really that bad? i was reading thru the GIA certs and some of the diamonds looked pretty good.

Oh, and if you're shopping for diamonds based only on what the GIA or AGS certs say, you're doing no different from visiting the local stores...

Furthermore, some certs only show purely specs and proportions but ignore light return (i.e. what makes a diamond bling brightly), whereas the AGS platinum report gives somewhat more information. That's why many of us on this thread refer to additional methods of evaluating our diamonds.

 

[[GorgeouS]]

Dear brothers and sisters.

Can I seek your inputs/comments/advice on the 2 rocks below that I am looking at?

Thank you so much for your help. Really Appreciate it

=====================
Rock 1
=====================
Cost
$5.1k

HCA Score
1.2

ROUND BRILLIANT
Measurements: 5.51 - 5.55 x 3.39 mm
Carat Weight: 0.63 carat
Color Grade: E
Clarity Grade: VS1
Cut Grade: Excellent

PROPORTIONS
Depth: 61.2%
Table: 58%
Crown Angle: 34.0°
Crown Height: 14.5%
Pavilion Angle: 40.8°
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%
Star Length: 55%
Lower Half: 80%
Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted (3.5%)
Culet: None

FINISH
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None


CLARITY CHARACTERISTICS
Crystal, Needle

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Rock 2
=====================
Cost
$3.8k

HCA Score
1.1

ROUND BRILLIANT
Measurements: 5.28 - 5.30 x 3.22 mm
Carat Weight: 0.55 carat
Color Grade: F
Clarity Grade: VS2
Cut Grade: Excellent

PROPORTIONS
Depth: 60.9%
Table: 58%
Crown Angle: 34.0°
Crown Height: 14.0%
Pavilion Angle: 40.8°
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%
Star Length: 55%
Lower Half: 80%
Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted (3.5%)
Culet: None

FINISH
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None

CLARITY CHARACTERISTICS
Crystal, Cloud

Did you see see the diamonds with scopes? The diamond looks fine on the surface.. Just from the proportions of the diamond, I would say both are good

But without the scopes, I can't say much..

 

[bedposthalo]

Did you see see the diamonds with scopes? The diamond looks fine on the surface.. Just from the proportions of the diamond, I would say both are good

But without the scopes, I can't say much..

Jannpaul posted a HCA limitation video which might be helpful

 

[DarkSlash]

Looks like JP tilt the diamond on the right? See 00:59

 

[DawnMin]

Looks like JP tilt the diamond on the right? See 00:59

what are you talking about?

 

[hollander]

what are you talking about?

I think darkslash is saying that when you play the video and at 0:59, you will see that the right diamond's table reflection is different from the left.

thats why he said it is tilted, eventhough it should not be affecting any light returns when it comes to the illustration/video as they are intentional moving the grey tray to show the diamonds sparkle.

 

[DarkSlash]

what are you talking about?

I am talking about the diamond on the right. It was tilted backwards in the video. Don't you agree? If you say you can't tell then I'd be puzzled.

 

[firewalker85]

I am talking about the diamond on the right. It was tilted backwards in the video. Don't you agree? If you say you can't tell then I'd be puzzled.

Bro.. it doesn't make any sense... They move the tray to show to see the diamonds in different angle.. so even if the diamond is tilted, it wouldn't make a difference since the tray is moving? lol

 

[DawnMin]

I am talking about the diamond on the right. It was tilted backwards in the video. Don't you agree? If you say you can't tell then I'd be puzzled.

That's not what i'm asking, I can see the diamond is slightly tilted because of the table reflection, but this does not affect the performance in the illustration.

I'm asking what's the point to your statement

 

[DarkSlash]

That's not what i'm asking, I can see the diamond is slightly tilted because of the table reflection, but this does not affect the performance in the illustration.

I'm asking what's the point to your statement

I'm just saying the diamond is tilted, not implying anything, so maybe JP can do a better video?!

dawnmin, relax la!

 

[Glitzger]

Off topic a bit but still relevant to JannPaul, I've been liaising with to do up my wedding bands since Jan this year. Finally we settled on the design and look, the bands went into production in September/October. We went through the first round of changes when we went down in October to see the bands and were not happy with the end results. They promised to make changes and we requested for the images of the bands to be shown to us before the delivery.

There were few hiccups along the way (layers placed wrongly, text were smudged) and the scary thing is up to now, a week plus before my ROM, the bands are not yet ready! We were supposed to collect it over this weekend previously assured by them) but reasons/excuses were being given delaying the shipment. I can understand that things may not go right and I'm trying hard not to be a difficult customer but I'm turning into bridezilla knowing that my ROM is next Sunday and I can only now see my wedding bands on next Thu/Fri..!

The main issue is due to the enamel layer (which i've posted previously that it is the material my wedding bands are made of) which require more days of drying as explained by them. But I cannot help feel anxious about it. What if the bands still look bad when we collect on Thu/Fri? What if the bands don't fit my finger? It will be way too late to do anything about it! Now I can only pray that a good job is done in return for our anxiety.

 

[DawnMin]

Off topic a bit but still relevant to JannPaul, I've been liaising with to do up my wedding bands since Jan this year. Finally we settled on the design and look, the bands went into production in September/October. We went through the first round of changes when we went down in October to see the bands and were not happy with the end results. They promised to make changes and we requested for the images of the bands to be shown to us before the delivery.

There were few hiccups along the way (layers placed wrongly, text were smudged) and the scary thing is up to now, a week plus before my ROM, the bands are not yet ready! We were supposed to collect it over this weekend previously assured by them) but reasons/excuses were being given delaying the shipment. I can understand that things may not go right and I'm trying hard not to be a difficult customer but I'm turning into bridezilla knowing that my ROM is next Sunday and I can only now see my wedding bands on next Thu/Fri..!

The main issue is due to the enamel layer (which i've posted previously that it is the material my wedding bands are made of) which require more days of drying as explained by them. But I cannot help feel anxious about it. What if the bands still look bad when we collect on Thu/Fri? What if the bands don't fit my finger? It will be way too late to do anything about it! Now I can only pray that a good job is done in return for our anxiety.

I'm no expert on enamel, it's not common material used.
Do you have a picture sample what you are doing?