Proposal Ring - Part 2

[Eugene_Hunk]

Jannpaul posted a HCA limitation video which might be helpful

I've actually seen diamonds with low HCA scores looking worst than that.

 

[Doc.Dre]

AGS certificate
Shape and Style: Cushion Brilliant

Measurements: 5.21 X 5.20 X 3.74mm

Cut grade: AGS Ideal O
Light Performance: AGS Ideal O
Polish: AGS Ideal O
Symmetry: AGS Ideal O

Color Grade: (D) AGS O
Clarity Grade: (VVS1) AGS 1

Carat Weight: 0.788 cts

Fluorescence: Neligible

Table: 56.2%
Depth: 71.8%
Crown: 34.4
Pavilion: 40.7

Clarity type: Pinpoint and feather

Can someone help me to calculate the HCA score for my diamond pls? I think I'm doing it wrongly.

 

[hollander]

AGS certificate
Shape and Style: Cushion Brilliant

Measurements: 5.21 X 5.20 X 3.74mm

Cut grade: AGS Ideal O
Light Performance: AGS Ideal O
Polish: AGS Ideal O
Symmetry: AGS Ideal O

Color Grade: (D) AGS O
Clarity Grade: (VVS1) AGS 1

Carat Weight: 0.788 cts

Fluorescence: Neligible

Table: 56.2%
Depth: 71.8%
Crown: 34.4
Pavilion: 40.7

Clarity type: Pinpoint and feather

Can someone help me to calculate the HCA score for my diamond pls? I think I'm doing it wrongly.

Depth is too deep ;-) is HCA applicable to Cushion?

 

[Carnage]

Off topic a bit but still relevant to JannPaul, I've been liaising with to do up my wedding bands since Jan this year. Finally we settled on the design and look, the bands went into production in September/October. We went through the first round of changes when we went down in October to see the bands and were not happy with the end results. They promised to make changes and we requested for the images of the bands to be shown to us before the delivery.

There were few hiccups along the way (layers placed wrongly, text were smudged) and the scary thing is up to now, a week plus before my ROM, the bands are not yet ready! We were supposed to collect it over this weekend previously assured by them) but reasons/excuses were being given delaying the shipment. I can understand that things may not go right and I'm trying hard not to be a difficult customer but I'm turning into bridezilla knowing that my ROM is next Sunday and I can only now see my wedding bands on next Thu/Fri..!

The main issue is due to the enamel layer (which i've posted previously that it is the material my wedding bands are made of) which require more days of drying as explained by them. But I cannot help feel anxious about it. What if the bands still look bad when we collect on Thu/Fri? What if the bands don't fit my finger? It will be way too late to do anything about it! Now I can only pray that a good job is done in return for our anxiety.

I apologise in advance if I may sound harsh, but it's your own fault for not doing things in advance. Customisation always requires time. Giving them 2 months to get everything in order is ridiculous to me. FYI, I customised my 1 engagement ring and it took me close to 3 months. I can imagine wedding bands to be long especially when it's done from scratch.

You're driving yourself crazy because of your own lack of lead time and preparation.

 

[firewalker85]

AGS certificate
Shape and Style: Cushion Brilliant

Measurements: 5.21 X 5.20 X 3.74mm

Cut grade: AGS Ideal O
Light Performance: AGS Ideal O
Polish: AGS Ideal O
Symmetry: AGS Ideal O

Color Grade: (D) AGS O
Clarity Grade: (VVS1) AGS 1

Carat Weight: 0.788 cts

Fluorescence: Neligible

Table: 56.2%
Depth: 71.8%
Crown: 34.4
Pavilion: 40.7

Clarity type: Pinpoint and feather

Can someone help me to calculate the HCA score for my diamond pls? I think I'm doing it wrongly.

Bro.. the HCA score is only for round diamonds.. it won't work for cushion diamonds.

The Holloway Cut Adviser (U.S. Patent 7,251,619) estimates a round diamonds appeal based on its potential Light Return, Fire, Scintillation and Spread


If I'm not wrong, yours is the cushion Brellia??
Mine is a Brellia too

 

[Cotton1]

Wah.. D VVS1! Collectors specs!

 

[zarknar]

Dear brothers and sisters.

Following up on my earlier post and including the image.

Would be great if I could humbly seek your advice on the rock below that I am looking at.

Thanks for your help! Appreciate it.

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Details
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Cost
$5.1k

HCA Score
1.2

ROUND BRILLIANT
Measurements: 5.51 - 5.55 x 3.39 mm
Carat Weight: 0.63 carat
Color Grade: E
Clarity Grade: VS1
Cut Grade: Excellent

PROPORTIONS
Depth: 61.2%
Table: 58%
Crown Angle: 34.0°
Crown Height: 14.5%
Pavilion Angle: 40.8°
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%
Star Length: 55%
Lower Half: 80%
Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted (3.5%)
Culet: None

FINISH
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None


CLARITY CHARACTERISTICS
Crystal, Needle

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Scopes
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[skye..]

AGS certificate
Shape and Style: Cushion Brilliant

Measurements: 5.21 X 5.20 X 3.74mm

Cut grade: AGS Ideal O
Light Performance: AGS Ideal O
Polish: AGS Ideal O
Symmetry: AGS Ideal O

Color Grade: (D) AGS O
Clarity Grade: (VVS1) AGS 1

Carat Weight: 0.788 cts

Fluorescence: Neligible

Table: 56.2%
Depth: 71.8%
Crown: 34.4
Pavilion: 40.7

Clarity type: Pinpoint and feather

Can someone help me to calculate the HCA score for my diamond pls? I think I'm doing it wrongly.

The HCA doesn't apply to fancy shape diamonds. From the proportions the cushion shape seem to be "deep". A diamond that is cut deeper/heavier appears to look smaller from the top view. For Modern cushion shape diamonds the best range should be Table: 49% to 56% and Depth: 63% to 69%(taken from pricescope). If yours is antique cushion then this range doesn't apply. (1 is antique cushion shape)

 

[hollander]

Dear brothers and sisters.

Following up on my earlier post and including the image.

Would be great if I could humbly seek your advice on the rock below that I am looking at.

Thanks for your help! Appreciate it.

==================
Details
==================
Cost
$5.1k

HCA Score
1.2

ROUND BRILLIANT
Measurements: 5.51 - 5.55 x 3.39 mm
Carat Weight: 0.63 carat
Color Grade: E
Clarity Grade: VS1
Cut Grade: Excellent

PROPORTIONS
Depth: 61.2%
Table: 58%
Crown Angle: 34.0°
Crown Height: 14.5%
Pavilion Angle: 40.8°
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%
Star Length: 55%
Lower Half: 80%
Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted (3.5%)
Culet: None

FINISH
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None


CLARITY CHARACTERISTICS
Crystal, Needle

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Scopes
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There's a sudden change on the images, not the usual that we are seeing from them, which looks more natural. Images are great!!! Probably re-alignment with the earlier concerns with their imaging.

 

[Doc.Dre]

Bro.. the HCA score is only for round diamonds.. it won't work for cushion diamonds.

The Holloway Cut Adviser (U.S. Patent 7,251,619) estimates a round diamonds appeal based on its potential Light Return, Fire, Scintillation and Spread


If I'm not wrong, yours is the cushion Brellia??
Mine is a Brellia too

Yes, it's a cushion brellia.. Oh ya, Jann did mention the HCA is for round only.. forgot about it.. my bad

 

[Doc.Dre]

The HCA doesn't apply to fancy shape diamonds. From the proportions the cushion shape seem to be "deep". A diamond that is cut deeper/heavier appears to look smaller from the top view. For Modern cushion shape diamonds the best range should be Table: 49% to 56% and Depth: 63% to 69%(taken from pricescope). If yours is antique cushion then this range doesn't apply. (1 is antique cushion shape)

Thanks! which type is the cushion Brellia?

 

[Doc.Dre]

Wah.. D VVS1! Collectors specs!

Haha.. I like everything to be the highest quality.. it's the OCD in me..

 

[bedposthalo]

the auto contrasting/saturation software must be very powerful. compare the old and new images, and see the differences yourself. misleading or not? you decide.

look at how the red is flushed under the table in all their old imaging.
look at how the arrowheads are so perfectly aligned to the hearts in all their old imaging.

This is precisely the problem I have with them, the images they sent to me is different from the actual diamond I've seen at their shop.

old

new



old

new

[/QUOTE]
I see jannpaul making an effort to provide tip top services. I truly appreciate their efforts. The high saturation pictures are toned down. I personally love the high saturation ones and requested for them to be that.

The only difference is the saturation which affects the intensity of the colors. Red is still red, green is still green, white is still white. I don't understand what you're trying to imply.

There have been previous posts about Vivo diamonds, and they had even stronger saturation on their images. I don't see u scrutinizing it.
U seem to be only targeting jannpaul. And I wonder why. Do you have a second agenda?

 

[skye..]

Dear brothers and sisters.

Following up on my earlier post and including the image.

Would be great if I could humbly seek your advice on the rock below that I am looking at.

Thanks for your help! Appreciate it.

==================
Details
==================
Cost
$5.1k

HCA Score
1.2

ROUND BRILLIANT
Measurements: 5.51 - 5.55 x 3.39 mm
Carat Weight: 0.63 carat
Color Grade: E
Clarity Grade: VS1
Cut Grade: Excellent

PROPORTIONS
Depth: 61.2%
Table: 58%
Crown Angle: 34.0°
Crown Height: 14.5%
Pavilion Angle: 40.8°
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%
Star Length: 55%
Lower Half: 80%
Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted (3.5%)
Culet: None

FINISH
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None


CLARITY CHARACTERISTICS
Crystal, Needle

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Scopes
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Personally i would select a table between 54-57%. From the aset there seems to be slight leakages under the table at 12.30 and 2.30 (lighter colour). The hearts have small misalignment but nothing to worry about. The arrows looks good on this diamond.

I like the new images. It is clearer to analyze than the old ones.

 

[zarknar]

Hi there,

Ref my post below, would really appreciate if I could seek more advice and thoughts from our fellow bros and sisters here.

Thanks for your help.

Dear brothers and sisters.

Following up on my earlier post and including the image.

Would be great if I could humbly seek your advice on the rock below that I am looking at.

Thanks for your help! Appreciate it.

==================
Details
==================
Cost
$5.1k

HCA Score
1.2

ROUND BRILLIANT
Measurements: 5.51 - 5.55 x 3.39 mm
Carat Weight: 0.63 carat
Color Grade: E
Clarity Grade: VS1
Cut Grade: Excellent

PROPORTIONS
Depth: 61.2%
Table: 58%
Crown Angle: 34.0°
Crown Height: 14.5%
Pavilion Angle: 40.8°
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%
Star Length: 55%
Lower Half: 80%
Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted (3.5%)
Culet: None

FINISH
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None


CLARITY CHARACTERISTICS
Crystal, Needle

==================
Scopes
==================

 

[Grizz.P]

Dear brothers and sisters.

Following up on my earlier post and including the image.

Would be great if I could humbly seek your advice on the rock below that I am looking at.

Thanks for your help! Appreciate it.

==================
Details
==================
Cost
$5.1k

HCA Score
1.2

ROUND BRILLIANT
Measurements: 5.51 - 5.55 x 3.39 mm
Carat Weight: 0.63 carat
Color Grade: E
Clarity Grade: VS1
Cut Grade: Excellent

PROPORTIONS
Depth: 61.2%
Table: 58%
Crown Angle: 34.0°
Crown Height: 14.5%
Pavilion Angle: 40.8°
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%
Star Length: 55%
Lower Half: 80%
Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted (3.5%)
Culet: None

FINISH
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None


CLARITY CHARACTERISTICS
Crystal, Needle

==================
Scopes
==================

The proportions are fine and the images are very clear. They look good to me.
I assume it is GIA certified.

 

[hollander]

Hi there,

Ref my post below, would really appreciate if I could seek more advice and thoughts from our fellow bros and sisters here.

Thanks for your help.

Hi Bro,

You have a wonderful stone there, it surpasses the requirements of HCA and 4C's, scope images are great too.

There have been some comments good/bad about the images and light leakage, but then again, the stone is wonderful. It is up to you decide whether to proceed with this stone.

The fact that its from them makes a guarantee that it is FINELY selected.
You have a good colour of E and clarity of VS1, if color is not much of a concern against the size, you can play around with F colour diamond and ofcourse a bigger diamond in parallel with your budget.

goodluck and regards.

 

[wall_beal]

Hi guys! First time to post here and I need your help. I'll be giving an engagement ring to my girlfriend. Actually we're already saving for our wedding on Jan. 2014, so the engagement ring is just for the sake of surprising her. So I'm not trying to splurge all our savings on the engagement ring, my plan is just to spend around 1.3K - 1.5k.

Can you recommend any shops right now that will match my budget with a nice size of diamond? I saw that there are huge discounts right now so I'm planning to buy this week. And I don't know anything about diamonds so I hope you guys will help me on this.

I will really appreciate all your help. Thank you in advance!

 

[Glitzger]

I apologise in advance if I may sound harsh, but it's your own fault for not doing things in advance. Customisation always requires time. Giving them 2 months to get everything in order is ridiculous to me. FYI, I customised my 1 engagement ring and it took me close to 3 months. I can imagine wedding bands to be long especially when it's done from scratch.

You're driving yourself crazy because of your own lack of lead time and preparation.

We started since Jan this year which is more than enough time (close to 1 year..??!). The sep/oct was to go into production according to JannPaul's timing since we are not the experts and will not know how much time is required for enamel production right? For the record, I'm the super kiasu kind and so far everything we have prepared, I've done it way in advance. If I knew this enamel material will give so much problems, I would not have left it til so late. But hind sight is alway twenty twenty.

 

[Grizz.P]

Hi guys! First time to post here and I need your help. I'll be giving an engagement ring to my girlfriend. Actually we're already saving for our wedding on Jan. 2014, so the engagement ring is just for the sake of surprising her. So I'm not trying to splurge all our savings on the engagement ring, my plan is just to spend around 1.3K - 1.5k.

Can you recommend any shops right now that will match my budget with a nice size of diamond? I saw that there are huge discounts right now so I'm planning to buy this week. And I don't know anything about diamonds so I hope you guys will help me on this.

I will really appreciate all your help. Thank you in advance!

It's good that you're planning early and not splurging all your savings on the engagement ring. I budget 20-40% of savings for my engagement ring and restart my savings for the wedding banquet which costs a bomb.

I'm not keen on the huge discount sales. It's just a psychological factor that makes people buy on impulse. They mark up the diamond price by like 2-3 times and then give you a "huge" 50% discount and make you think that you're buying it at half the price, when in reality, you're paying more.

Since your wedding is more than a year later, you still have lots of time to look around and do your research. You can start by learning more about the HCA calculator Holloway Cut Advisor | HCA Tool | PriceScope then move on to the ideal/aset/heartsnarrows scopes.