Proposal Ring - Part 2

[magna_strike]

finally gotten my ring, but havent gotten the scope images yet.. btw, jannpaul gives away the hearts and arrows scope, but how to use it when the diamond is mounted onto the setting already ah? all i can see is from the top view only... anyone can educate? TIA..

 

[tiffany9188]

Hi guys,

I went to JP today to get my engagement ring with my SO. Was quoted around 18k (inclusive of setting) for the following specs:

1.161 carat, HCA 1.2, F, VS1 Super Ideal diamond.

Light Performance: AGS Ideal 0
Polish: AGS Ideal 0
Symmetry: AGS Ideal 0

Tiny crystal and needle on the table.

Is this ok?

 

[Grizz.P]

Hi guys,

I went to JP today to get my engagement ring with my SO. Was quoted around 18k (inclusive of setting) for the following specs:

1.161 carat, HCA 1.2, F, VS1 Super Ideal diamond.

Light Performance: AGS Ideal 0
Polish: AGS Ideal 0
Symmetry: AGS Ideal 0

Tiny crystal and needle on the table.

Is this ok?

Crystal and needles are common inclusions types.. There's no issues with them as long as you can't see them with your eyes.

 

[fireantz]

hi guys, understand that JP only carry super ideal cut but what is the difference between a super ideal cut and a ideal cut?

 

[cokiee]

any comments?

This is a solasfera? Complete light return, modified round.

hi guys, understand that JP only carry super ideal cut but what is the difference between a super ideal cut and a ideal cut?

IIRC the ideal cut refers to a triple Excellent grading from GIA, or AGS triple 0. Super Ideal that they market refers to a tighter set of proportions that they feel give the diamonds better quality. So it's:

Ideal--------|-Super Ideal-|--------Ideal


On a side note, I've just gotten my scope and actual diamond images over the weekend!

 

[fireantz]

This is a solasfera? Complete light return, modified round.



IIRC the ideal cut refers to a triple Excellent grading from GIA, or AGS triple 0. Super Ideal that they market refers to a tighter set of proportions that they feel give the diamonds better quality. So it's:

Ideal--------|-Super Ideal-|--------Ideal


On a side note, I've just gotten my scope and actual diamond images over the weekend!

thanks! but is there a way to tell its a super ideal or ideal by looking at the cert? Let's say i go to other jewellery shop and will they tell me its a super ideal but actually its not. like anyway to confirm it?

 

[aijaijaij]

Solasfera

Hi all,

I've made a trip down JP and downed a deposit for a 0.55 E VVS2 solasfera! Waiting for the scope pictures before making the final call.

Just want to find out, for the HCA, is it applicable to solasfera too? From the gia cert, am not able to find the info to input into the HCA. Do advise.

 

[Draculav]

thanks! but is there a way to tell its a super ideal or ideal by looking at the cert? Let's say i go to other jewellery shop and will they tell me its a super ideal but actually its not. like anyway to confirm it?

Nope.. Cert won't tell you if it's a super ideal or ideal. You will need to confirm it yourself with the scopes. Some places can advertise it as ideal but after inspection, it may not be as ideal as you think it is. Shops that claim there's is super ideal or ideal but don't show the scopes (ideal/aset/hearts/arrows) are very questionable.

If you are not sure, you can post the scope photos here for us to examine.

Hi all,

I've made a trip down JP and downed a deposit for a 0.55 E VVS2 solasfera! Waiting for the scope pictures before making the final call.

Just want to find out, for the HCA, is it applicable to solasfera too? From the gia cert, am not able to find the info to input into the HCA. Do advise.

HCA is for the 57 facets round diamonds only. To check other types of diamond, is the scopes again

Basically, you can't go wrong after seeing the scopes

 

[alpha_czw]

thanks! but is there a way to tell its a super ideal or ideal by looking at the cert? Let's say i go to other jewellery shop and will they tell me its a super ideal but actually its not. like anyway to confirm it?

It's not quite possible to judge from tje certificate if it is super ideal or ideal. The maximum grade for GIA is excellent for cut and ideal for AGS will be ideal. There is no super ideal. Super ideal is a marketing strategy from JP for theor diamonds. The HCA scores just helps to eliminate the poor performance diamonds. You must really see the aset scope and hearts and arrows scope to see if its a good performance diamond.

 

[Draculav]

It's not quite possible to judge from tje certificate if it is super ideal or ideal. The maximum grade for GIA is excellent for cut and ideal for AGS will be ideal. There is no super ideal. Super ideal is a marketing strategy from JP for theor diamonds. The HCA scores just helps to eliminate the poor performance diamonds. You must really see the aset scope and hearts and arrows scope to see if its a good performance diamond.

Super ideal is an actual term to classify the top performing cuts. JP markets that they sell super ideal cut quality diamonds.
Note: super ideal is not a brand.

Diamond looks great under the aset and hearts and arrows scope + good proportions = super ideal cut

The questions is whether other places sell super ideal cut quality too and how much they price it for.

 

[shdwkillr]

Just placed a deposit for a 0.44 VS2, F from JP with the damage of 2.65k.. is that a reasonable price or am I being overcharged?

 

[JimmyLeeJK]

Hi fellow bros, am in need of some advice here. Planning to buy a proposal ring soon but not sure where to start. For sure I don't wanna go to those Goldheart & Love & co brands to be their carrot... I am ok and I am sure my fiancee-to-be won't mind those bespoke non-branded ones as long as it's the same thing really.

Scanning through this thread quite a bit... turns out that a lot of you guys are going into diamond analysis and such? Walao that's rocket science with all the whatever scopes u guys are saying. Hmm anyway how do u suggest I start? I have been reading up some general stuff about the 4cs blah blah..

 

[aijaijaij]

Nope.. Cert won't tell you if it's a super ideal or ideal. You will need to confirm it yourself with the scopes. Some places can advertise it as ideal but after inspection, it may not be as ideal as you think it is. Shops that claim there's is super ideal or ideal but don't show the scopes (ideal/aset/hearts/arrows) are very questionable.

If you are not sure, you can post the scope photos here for us to examine.



HCA is for the 57 facets round diamonds only. To check other types of diamond, is the scopes again

Basically, you can't go wrong after seeing the scopes

Thank you! Will post the scope photos once I've received from JP.

One more thing, the cert is dated in Oct 2011, is there any concern for this?

 

[tk]

Hi fellow bros, am in need of some advice here. Planning to buy a proposal ring soon but not sure where to start. For sure I don't wanna go to those Goldheart & Love & co brands to be their carrot... I am ok and I am sure my fiancee-to-be won't mind those bespoke non-branded ones as long as it's the same thing really.

Scanning through this thread quite a bit... turns out that a lot of you guys are going into diamond analysis and such? Walao that's rocket science with all the whatever scopes u guys are saying. Hmm anyway how do u suggest I start? I have been reading up some general stuff about the 4cs blah blah..

wat is your budget? Understanding the 4Cs and GIA cert is the first step towards getting a decent diamond. U have to let someone carrot u lah.. else who u buy from?

 

[fireantz]

Thanks for the reply guys... i went to JP last month and ill visit few more before settling for one. Just need to be cautious when choosing one.

Bro JimmyLeeJK, i started by understanding the 4Cs too. Generally each Cs is important.
Carat: size / weight of the diamond
Color: whether its clear or yellowish (D,E,F is colorless.) Usually peiple go for E or F
Clarity: the dirt in the diamond under scope. Not obvious from naked eye. (VVS1,VVS2 is flawless). Usually people for VS1 or VS2. My opinion is can compromise abit here for other Cs
Cut: diamond's proportions that in turn affects the brightness, fire and scintillation of the diamond

Hope my information is right and helps. Still learning though

 

[crunsik]

Nope.. Cert won't tell you if it's a super ideal or ideal. You will need to confirm it yourself with the scopes. Some places can advertise it as ideal but after inspection, it may not be as ideal as you think it is. Shops that claim there's is super ideal or ideal but don't show the scopes (ideal/aset/hearts/arrows) are very questionable.

If you are not sure, you can post the scope photos here for us to examine.



HCA is for the 57 facets round diamonds only. To check other types of diamond, is the scopes again

Basically, you can't go wrong after seeing the scopes

Hi, would like to check what is the outcome in the event that the scope images from JP doesnt match up after placing the deposit? Would you be able to select another diamond from them?

 

[tk]

Cut: The shape of the diamond. Common one is round brilliant

Cut is not the round or square shape lah.. Cut refers to the diamond's proportions that in turn affects the brightness, fire and scintillation of the diamond..

 

[fireantz]

Cut is not the round or square shape lah.. Cut refers to the diamond's proportions that in turn affects the brightness, fire and scintillation of the diamond..

ops.... thanks tk! updated my reply above.

 

[tk]

Seems most pple here are going for the premium priced super ideals.. Let me share on our modest ring shopping experience for the more budget conscious folks..

After reading up on 4Cs, GIA, HCA, ideal & super ideal etc.., we discussed and agreed not to spend too much on the ring. So we decided to skip JP premium priced super ideal cuts and limit our search to GIA certified pieces with a $2k budget. Went to shops to look see, ask, learn and see the difference between the different colors, cut, clarity, carat size, fluorescence, hearts & arrows etc.. In the end we got a GIA certified triple excellent, no fluorescence 0.44 F VS1, HCA score 1.8. Total spending with setting is $1.5k.. Happy with our hoot..

 

[Draculav]

Thank you! Will post the scope photos once I've received from JP.

One more thing, the cert is dated in Oct 2011, is there any concern for this?

2011 should be ok la.