Proposal Ring - Part 2

[KingKenny]

hi all, just went for an appt at JP. I chose a brellia D VVS2 0.62 ct with a classic setting for viewing & understanding purposes only initially. Personally impressed with how joseph served me,very smiley & explained to me that getting a good diamond is not all about certificates, would need to go thru the scopes.When i compared side by side with the normal cushion diamond with the naked eye i must say the sparkle on the brellia was too bling for my eyes to take it !

When the brellia was set on the 4 prong setting, the diamond i thought look bigger then it actually was ! I really like the brellia till this point that JP has as i've been doing some researches at other jewelers , they only have normal cushion which is not so sparkly & they don't do in depth explanation on it like JP does ... when i asked about the availability of other sizes of brellia they told me it was the last piece they currently have omg . their new stock will only come in after 3 months & i need the proposal ring before CNY so bo bian la. but i like it la most importantly . ( guess their brellia is their hot product ) So i close myself & paid a deposit 1st & now i'm waiting for my scope images.. will post it here when i get it .

 

[cupidsux]

Nope it just a normal princess cut diamonds that JP have in their store. But from what i heard from the staff , the loose diamonds are also consider the better ones as they have been filter by the shop first before they put for sale.

my GIA cert is Sept 2015 .

i happen to realize something, as it seems the diamonds that are send for re-certification will have a new GIA cert date, so i can safely assume that across the board, diamonds are recycle and sold back to consumers.

 

[kira1984]

hi all, just went for an appt at JP. I chose a brellia D VVS2 0.62 ct with a classic setting for viewing & understanding purposes only initially. Personally impressed with how joseph served me,very smiley & explained to me that getting a good diamond is not all about certificates, would need to go thru the scopes.When i compared side by side with the normal cushion diamond with the naked eye i must say the sparkle on the brellia was too bling for my eyes to take it !

When the brellia was set on the 4 prong setting, the diamond i thought look bigger then it actually was ! I really like the brellia till this point that JP has as i've been doing some researches at other jewelers , they only have normal cushion which is not so sparkly & they don't do in depth explanation on it like JP does ... when i asked about the availability of other sizes of brellia they told me it was the last piece they currently have omg . their new stock will only come in after 3 months & i need the proposal ring before CNY so bo bian la. but i like it la most importantly . ( guess their brellia is their hot product ) So i close myself & paid a deposit 1st & now i'm waiting for my scope images.. will post it here when i get it .

Ya, their Brellia is limited stocks. I went down twice before I settled on my final Brellia and each time I went down, the specs that I wanted VVS2/1 D/E/F color will only have 1 size

 

[slowchemical]

Care to share your opinions on these pricing,
0.525 D VS2 -$4,450
0.54 E VS1 -$4,650
0.54 F VS1 -$4,400
Thanks!

 

[1000smiles]

Care to share your opinions on these pricing,
0.525 D VS2 -$4,450
0.54 E VS1 -$4,650
0.54 F VS1 -$4,400
Thanks!

I'd go for the 0.52 D VS2. 0.02 diff won't be noticeable and you can get the top colour

 

[LauraTTT]

Hello everyone! New to the forum, was wondering if anyone got their diamonds from neighbour jewellery/gold shops? GIA certified diamonds as well. I was offered a:
0.9carat, VS2, G Colour, triple excellent, no fluorescence for 9.8k with settings (simple side diamonds).

Any thoughts? I have yet to receive the GIA certification as forgot to asked.

 

[thesal]

Hello everyone! New to the forum, was wondering if anyone got their diamonds from neighbour jewellery/gold shops? GIA certified diamonds as well. I was offered a:
0.9carat, VS2, G Colour, triple excellent, no fluorescence for 9.8k with settings (simple side diamonds).

Any thoughts? I have yet to receive the GIA certification as forgot to asked.

Sounds overpriced, but need to look at the escape and cert first. Generally, diamond quality can only be determined after looking at the scopes.

Triple ex is only the first filter.

 

[LauraTTT]

Sounds overpriced, but need to look at the escape and cert first. Generally, diamond quality can only be determined after looking at the scopes.

Triple ex is only the first filter.

Thank you for the very prompt reply! I will wait for their cert to find out.
They also quoted F Colour 0.9 carat but that is $11.2k with setting I found it a little overpriced.

Anyone else with 0.9c diamond here and how much did you pay for it/what specs? Thanks a lot all!

 

[bloodangel85]

Hi bros,

would like to check with you guys if this is a good 0.5ct at around $3k

GIA 2176731932

 

[DanMWM]

Hi bros,

would like to check with you guys if this is a good 0.5ct at around $3k

GIA 2176731932

need more details than that bro.
cut, color, clarity, scopes if you have, etc.
and dont go for 0.50ct diamonds, at least 0.51ct or 0.49ct.

 

[bloodangel85]

ohh sorry almost forgot

Colour grade is G, Clarity VS2, triple excellent for cut/polish/symmetry
the inclusion is a feather =x

btw whats the rationale for 0.49 or 0.51? =DDDD paiseh still quite new

 

[DanMWM]

ohh sorry almost forgot

Colour grade is G, Clarity VS2, triple excellent for cut/polish/symmetry
the inclusion is a feather =x

btw whats the rationale for 0.49 or 0.51? =DDDD paiseh still quite new

So its an regular ideal round cut diamond?

firstly is price difference. price jumps between after 0.5, 0.6, 0.7, etc.

secondly, if really damn suay (choy), in future, if the diamond gt small chip, the 0.5 will become 0.49, and as mentioned with the point above, the value of the diamond drops.

usually wont so suay though. what shop quoted you that? i thought shops usually dont carry whole figures like 0.5, 0.6, etc.

 

[bloodangel85]

it's ideal round cut =D and quoted from goldheart
do you think it's a good deal?

i think HCA wise it didnt fare very well mostly fair with one very good...

 

[LauraTTT]

Hi everyone, I managed to get two reports but I can't seem to generate the HCA scores (one said 4?!) not sure which is a better quality stone, both not from JP. Grateful if you could help me take a look! Thank you!

0.9 G VS2 EX EX EX None - $9.8k
GIA number: 2186792391

Or

0.9 F VS1 EX EX EX None - $11+k
GIA number: 2186752507

I could not post the links due to insufficient post count sadly....Many thanks in advance for taking a look and merry xmas all!!

 

[Lovemygreens]

Hi everyone, I managed to get two reports but I can't seem to generate the HCA scores (one said 4?!) not sure which is a better quality stone, both not from JP. Grateful if you could help me take a look! Thank you!

0.9 G VS2 EX EX EX None - $9.8k
GIA number: 2186792391

Or

0.9 F VS1 EX EX EX None - $11+k
GIA number: 2186752507

I could not post the links due to insufficient post count sadly....Many thanks in advance for taking a look and merry xmas all!!

Hi, from the specs and HCA scores, both are not ideal, not worth the price you've been quoted. First diamond was cut too deep, thus losing a lot of weight with narrow spread.

Try to hunt for one with HCA less than 1.4 before asking for the scope

 

[1000smiles]

Hi bros,

would like to check with you guys if this is a good 0.5ct at around $3k

GIA 2176731932

Its a 0.50 G VS2.
HCA = 6.1
Thats very very bad... The angles are very far off even for the ideal range. Some more its a 0.50. You can get a super ideal cut 0.4+ diamond at a cheaper price and it can look bigger and brighter than a lousy cut 0.50. I'm surprised this can still be considered get an Excellent cut grade...

Hi everyone, I managed to get two reports but I can't seem to generate the HCA scores (one said 4?!) not sure which is a better quality stone, both not from JP. Grateful if you could help me take a look! Thank you!

0.9 G VS2 EX EX EX None - $9.8k
GIA number: 2186792391
Or

0.9 F VS1 EX EX EX None - $11+k
GIA number: 2186752507

I could not post the links due to insufficient post count sadly....Many thanks in advance for taking a look and merry xmas all!!

0.92 G VS2
HCA = 1.2
The score is good, but proportions are still off. The depth at 62.8% effectively makes this look like a 0.8ct size. And at 0.8ct, I believe a better cut diamond will still cost less.
It has a few inclusions on the side of the diamond too. You want to avoid that. Diamond might crack over repeated knocks.

0.9 F VS1
HCA = 3.7
HCA score is off. This one's not really worth considering.


BTW, the HCA is not the only thing to consider. The scopes are more important. If you research online, a lot of gemologist are dissing the HCA tool when ppl over rely on it. There's a lot of other tools to use too like the Aset scope, ideal scope and hearts scope which are far more effective and accurate. HCA is just one of other factors to take note of. But of course, if the HCA is bad, the diamond is confirm chui one.

 

[zzzkelvinzzz]

Had a look at what i`ve bought on GIA, it seems v comparable to that from the popular store mentioned here of similar specs (mine F vs popular store G color though). Had a look at the HCA score, mine was 0.8 vs 0.6, scope wise looks pretty symmetrical to me...but one thing is that they have a diamond doissler report instead of grading report, cant really see the where the scruffs are... this is for both stores...anyone knows the reason? Cheaper? They mentioned they r getting an AGS report for it... will ask for it when i collect it... but a 3k (almost) discount compared to the popular store of similar specs... i guess im pretty comfortable...

 

[DanMWM]

Its a 0.50 G VS2.
HCA = 6.1
Thats very very bad... The angles are very far off even for the ideal range. Some more its a 0.50. You can get a super ideal cut 0.4+ diamond at a cheaper price and it can look bigger and brighter than a lousy cut 0.50. I'm surprised this can still be considered get an Excellent cut grade...




0.92 G VS2
HCA = 1.2
The score is good, but proportions are still off. The depth at 62.8% effectively makes this look like a 0.8ct size. And at 0.8ct, I believe a better cut diamond will still cost less.
It has a few inclusions on the side of the diamond too. You want to avoid that. Diamond might crack over repeated knocks.

0.9 F VS1
HCA = 3.7
HCA score is off. This one's not really worth considering.


BTW, the HCA is not the only thing to consider. The scopes are more important. If you research online, a lot of gemologist are dissing the HCA tool when ppl over rely on it. There's a lot of other tools to use too like the Aset scope, ideal scope and hearts scope which are far more effective and accurate. HCA is just one of other factors to take note of. But of course, if the HCA is bad, the diamond is confirm chui one.

wah how do you calculate the HCA without knowing the detailed specs of the diamond? I only saw before those that need input those lengths, angles, etc version.

but yes, its quite over relied on and i think only can use for round diamonds i heard?

it's ideal round cut =D and quoted from goldheart
do you think it's a good deal?

i think HCA wise it didnt fare very well mostly fair with one very good...

its not triple excellent ah? then no way man. lol.
there are a few filters to go through before you decide if its a good diamond.

usually, triple excellent would be first filter. but since there are alot diamonds out there which are triple excellent, you will need to consider other factors also.

HCA. (try not to go above 1.4 like what 1000smiles said)

then see scopes to see if the diamond is symmetrical and how is the light leakage.

 

[poegoh]

Just to share my experience since I have benefited from the discussion here on my purchase with JP.

I was skeptical about JP initially as I am not able to find a negative comment about them after reading through about 50 pages here thus I thought to try out myself. Made an appointment via email on Sunday night and received a confirmation the next day morning. Met Samuel (Sam) on the day and he ran through the std education session that other forumer here had detailed. He ask about my preference and budget and showed me a few diamonds to choose from and shortlisted the 2 below:

0.535 G vs2 solasfera - $4500
0.556 F vs1 SI - $4550

ended up choosing the sloasfera. To be honest, all of their diamonds (SI) are so similar where they have already filtered thus its really just picking your preference of 4C and budget then check under the scope and lighting to give myself the self assurance . This I guess may also be the reason why Sam is so confident to let me check whatever I wanted and under different conditions. I then choose a simple std 6 prong setting @ $550. I took quite a while and with my brother joining me halfway through he cant see any difference between the different diamonds (thats because all the diamonds he sees under the scope are JP SI diamonds) till I requested Sam to let him compare non JP SI diamonds and a 3 x excellent non JP diamonds. nothing else needs to be explained as its just obvious. good red, sharp and symmetrical hearts and arrows. Sam was never pushy or hard sell any moment of the 2-3 hrs we were there and obliged to all the request (even shared with me the difference between the various JP diamonds I was choosing) I asked eg. compare this with that, under led/florou light, scope then put onto various setting to give a feel of how the different settings will look like.

After going back I wanted to change to the other diamond (the 0.556) as the normal JP SI diamond is already damn blink thus I think I should for for slightly bigger and better quality diamond since I dont know what my gf likes or expect. I text sam and ask him to hold the setting as I wanted to change, he called me back to confirm and fixed the time with me and took the initiative to put the 0.556 on hold. Later in the day I thought of looking at slightly bigger diamonds in the range of 0.65 and text sam again to arrange for me the next day when I go back to change my invoice. When I was there the next day, I also requested to see if there are better colour to compare the difference. There were limited pcs of 0.6x for my specs range F vs2 or better thus sam showed me the shortlisted below:

0.61x F vs1 (SI) - $5600
0.59 D vs1 - $5200
0.556 F vs1 - $4550

Ended up getting the 0.59 D colour and changed my setting from 6 prong to 4 prong and 1 size smaller. I must say Sam was really patience throughout and was always smiling and not pushy. JP really had their biz model right I guess, its the place to go to for people like me where I dont know my gf exact finger size, what diamonds she likes and how big to suit her finger as JP provides 1xfree engraving, 2xfree size change, 2xfree polishing and if I am not wrong they will take back 100% value for upgrade (not sure of the validity though). I did ask myself the qn which many ask here, why some shops or places can sell similar paper specs diamonds at 30% lower as compared to JP. To me, I want hassle free and dont mind paying abit more to get service and assurance. What assurance you may ask.. assurance of the forumers here as I know if their service or product is inconsistent, I would have found some complains and the thread would not have survive 600 over pages and ongoing. Also, if you have experience their knowledge sharing, I can only assume that if the seller is not confident of their products, they would not have shared these information with me and after looking at a few of their diamonds, they all really look similar to me thus selection must have been well controlled. Make an appointment with them and try it out yourself.

Not sure how to attached pictures if I figure out or someone who can enlighten me, would be glad to share the scopes pic once I get it.

 

[DanMWM]

Just to share my experience since I have benefited from the discussion here on my purchase with JP.

I was skeptical about JP initially as I am not able to find a negative comment about them after reading through about 50 pages here thus I thought to try out myself. Made an appointment via email on Sunday night and received a confirmation the next day morning. Met Samuel (Sam) on the day and he ran through the std education session that other forumer here had detailed. He ask about my preference and budget and showed me a few diamonds to choose from and shortlisted the 2 below:

0.535 G vs2 solasfera - $4500
0.556 F vs1 SI - $4550

ended up choosing the sloasfera. To be honest, all of their diamonds (SI) are so similar where they have already filtered thus its really just picking your preference of 4C and budget then check under the scope and lighting to give myself the self assurance . This I guess may also be the reason why Sam is so confident to let me check whatever I wanted and under different conditions. I then choose a simple std 6 prong setting @ $550. I took quite a while and with my brother joining me halfway through he cant see any difference between the different diamonds (thats because all the diamonds he sees under the scope are JP SI diamonds) till I requested Sam to let him compare non JP SI diamonds and a 3 x excellent non JP diamonds. nothing else needs to be explained as its just obvious. good red, sharp and symmetrical hearts and arrows. Sam was never pushy or hard sell any moment of the 2-3 hrs we were there and obliged to all the request (even shared with me the difference between the various JP diamonds I was choosing) I asked eg. compare this with that, under led/florou light, scope then put onto various setting to give a feel of how the different settings will look like.

After going back I wanted to change to the other diamond (the 0.556) as the normal JP SI diamond is already damn blink thus I think I should for for slightly bigger and better quality diamond since I dont know what my gf likes or expect. I text sam and ask him to hold the setting as I wanted to change, he called me back to confirm and fixed the time with me and took the initiative to put the 0.556 on hold. Later in the day I thought of looking at slightly bigger diamonds in the range of 0.65 and text sam again to arrange for me the next day when I go back to change my invoice. When I was there the next day, I also requested to see if there are better colour to compare the difference. There were limited pcs of 0.6x for my specs range F vs2 or better thus sam showed me the shortlisted below:

0.61x F vs1 (SI) - $5600
0.59 D vs1 - $5200
0.556 F vs1 - $4550

Ended up getting the 0.59 D colour and changed my setting from 6 prong to 4 prong and 1 size smaller. I must say Sam was really patience throughout and was always smiling and not pushy. JP really had their biz model right I guess, its the place to go to for people like me where I dont know my gf exact finger size, what diamonds she likes and how big to suit her finger as JP provides 1xfree engraving, 2xfree size change, 2xfree polishing and if I am not wrong they will take back 100% value for upgrade (not sure of the validity though). I did ask myself the qn which many ask here, why some shops or places can sell similar paper specs diamonds at 30% lower as compared to JP. To me, I want hassle free and dont mind paying abit more to get service and assurance. What assurance you may ask.. assurance of the forumers here as I know if their service or product is inconsistent, I would have found some complains and the thread would not have survive 600 over pages and ongoing. Also, if you have experience their knowledge sharing, I can only assume that if the seller is not confident of their products, they would not have shared these information with me and after looking at a few of their diamonds, they all really look similar to me thus selection must have been well controlled. Make an appointment with them and try it out yourself.

Not sure how to attached pictures if I figure out or someone who can enlighten me, would be glad to share the scopes pic once I get it.

I think need to have minimum posting then can post links to show the images. Usually they ask lynn to help them post the images. i'm sure she or the others who have met the minimum requirements to post images will help you too if you ask them nicely.

different places might have cheaper diamonds with the same paper specs. but that does not mean it is a good diamond as that is only the first filter to check whether if it is a good diamond or not. that's why we refer to other filters such as HCA or scopes to tell how gd the diamond is. JP has a good reputation and quality of diamonds is rather consistent.