Proposal Ring - Part 3

[Miltah]

How do you know if the stone you are buying is brand new?
Is there even such a thing?
Most vendors dun do trades in. And those that do, the diamond is recertifiied and on sold as ‘’new”
For all you know, the stone is probably been worn many times.

For those buying at the shop with the other half, perhaps it’s an experience
For those giving a surprise perhaps it’s not such a bad thing buying secondhand ...

After all what is new is probably old

 

[KinoChoco]

At under 0.5c, most people will not detect color in E,F and G
If you are color sensitive, u might pick up on H

Personally at under 0.5c, I would pick SI1 diamonds but that’s just me. The lowest clarity grade JP carries is VS2 upwards

I'll go for maybe F-G color and you're right, SI1 is enough haha.

I think the VS2 above are for JP's premium cuts, if you opt for ideal, they can get SI1 i believe (they share the same staffs hence JP will also serve HOH customers)

 

[KinoChoco]

How do you know if the stone you are buying is brand new?
Is there even such a thing?
Most vendors dun do trades in. And those that do, the diamond is recertifiied and on sold as ‘’new”
For all you know, the stone is probably been worn many times.

For those buying at the shop with the other half, perhaps it’s an experience
For those giving a surprise perhaps it’s not such a bad thing buying secondhand ...

After all what is new is probably old

Some vendor does say that they only sell first hand diamonds and the 2nd hand ones are sold to 3rd world countries etc. I didn't ask further for any evidences to back their claim or whatsoever as to be honest, it doesn't matter....diamonds are forever unlike other stuff hence i'm not really bothered about it except that the certification must be within 1-2 years max.

 

[xiaosen]

I'll go for maybe F-G color and you're right, SI1 is enough haha.

I think the VS2 above are for JP's premium cuts, if you opt for ideal, they can get SI1 i believe (they share the same staffs hence JP will also serve HOH customers)

what is SI1? Super ideal ??

 

[KinoChoco]

what is SI1? Super ideal ??

SI 1, that's 1 of the clarity grade

 

[slowpokie]

Where is a good place to see rings ah ?

I low ses 1......

Cos this yr need to do homework liao

 

[lance88]

what is SI1? Super ideal ??

You can see the 4Cs just by google GIA cert images. U can see the Color(D-S) grading, Clarity(VVS1 to SI2) and Cut scale (Ex to good), just stating the usual range that u see in Singapore.

SIC=Super Ideal Cut, aka cut grade, but in GIA cert will still show as Excellent because that the highest. SIC is higher than Ex.

Pros here do correct me if Im wrong. Is there a cert that actually proves the diamond is SIC? From my understanding it's from the H&A scope.

 

[CutiePie84]

At under 0.5c, most people will not detect color in E,F and G
If you are color sensitive, u might pick up on H

Personally at under 0.5c, I would pick SI1 diamonds but that’s just me. The lowest clarity grade JP carries is VS2 upwards

SI1 can be more tricky. The inclusion might be more obvious or it can have those risky inclusions that can make the diamond chip. Just need to be extra careful with those

 

[CutiePie84]

You can see the 4Cs just by google GIA cert images. U can see the Color(D-S) grading, Clarity(VVS1 to SI2) and Cut scale (Ex to good), just stating the usual range that u see in Singapore.

SIC=Super Ideal Cut, aka cut grade, but in GIA cert will still show as Excellent because that the highest. SIC is higher than Ex.

Pros here do correct me if Im wrong. Is there a cert that actually proves the diamond is SIC? From my understanding it's from the H&A scope.

The cert won't say its a SIC or Ideal cut. That's the problem. If GIA got classify them, it will make life much easier for us.. haha. The ''Good cut'' diamond example is milky. It's not related to the cut. You can have an ''Ideal cut'' that is milky too.

H&A scope is just one of the scopes to check for SIC. But it does not determine it. It can only check for the symmetry but not the light leakages.
You see this video. Diamond got perfect hearts, but still very chui
You need the ASET scope to check for the leakages

 

[KinoChoco]

You can see the 4Cs just by google GIA cert images. U can see the Color(D-S) grading, Clarity(VVS1 to SI2) and Cut scale (Ex to good), just stating the usual range that u see in Singapore.

SIC=Super Ideal Cut, aka cut grade, but in GIA cert will still show as Excellent because that the highest. SIC is higher than Ex.

Pros here do correct me if Im wrong. Is there a cert that actually proves the diamond is SIC? From my understanding it's from the H&A scope.

H&A scope are useless, u need ASET scope.

This is how typical jeweler con people with only H&A scope saying that it's super ideal once u see the hearts and arrow.

There are plenty of diamonds with 8 H&A which are sold as super ideal but fails the aset scope actual light performance (this is also why most stores wont bring out the aset scopes for you to see)

 

[Miltah]

SI1 can be more tricky. The inclusion might be more obvious or it can have those risky inclusions that can make the diamond chip. Just need to be extra careful with those

Personally sometimes I feel that the caution for SI1 clarity seem to be blown out of proportion.
Many chain stores including LeeHwa, gold heart among many others carry SI1 clarity diamonds. In almost all 3 threads, spanning since 2011, I have not heard anyone complain that the SI1 diamond that they bought cracked in two...

The only other concern is visual. If u can see the imperfections. Often the SI1 clarity is done with a 10x magnifying glass.. of course if u buying 1 caret and above, these may have more impact visually but at 0.5c it’s hard to tell..

Again of course not all SI1 stones are the same, n it’s best to work with a trusted jeweller

 

[KinoChoco]

Personally sometimes I feel that the caution for SI1 clarity seem to be blown out of proportion.
Many chain stores including LeeHwa, gold heart among many others carry SI1 clarity diamonds. In almost all 3 threads, spanning since 2011, I have not heard anyone complain that the SI1 diamond that they bought cracked in two...

The only other concern is visual. If u can see the imperfections. Often the SI1 clarity is done with a 10x magnifying glass.. of course if u buying 1 caret and above, these may have more impact visually but at 0.5c it’s hard to tell..

Again of course not all stones are the same, n it’s best to work with a trusted jeweller

Agree that the caution for SI1 clarity seem to be blown out of proportion. In other countries, people even get SI2.

The chances of chipping an SI1 diamond is probably like 0.1% under normal wear, but for bigger diamonds i'll go for VS2 due to the much bigger surface area haha.

 

[throwawaygrad]

They dun set diamonds they didn’t sell.
Information is good as of 2months ago. Confirmed twice.

Maybe HOH does, but I didn’t check

HOH definitely does (as of last Sep). I set my James Allen diamond there

 

[Miltah]

HOH definitely does (as of last Sep). I set my James Allen diamond there

Can I ask how much they charge and how was the ring design process

 

[throwawaygrad]

Can I ask how much they charge and how was the ring design process

They charged us 600 for 18k gold and also gave us the CAD design + 1-time resizing. Their service is good as well!

 

[Miltah]

They charged us 600 for 18k gold and also gave us the CAD design + 1-time resizing. Their service is good as well!

Thanks. Good to know

 

[Jayden Goh]

Any folks can provide their opinion whether is it worth to pay 6.6k for this diamond?

Carat = 0.6
Color Grade = E
Clarity Grade = VS1
Cut Grade = Excellent

Polish = Excellent
Symmetry = Excellent
Fluorescence = None
Clarity Characteristics = Crystal, Pinpoint

Ps cant post image as im not allowed to post pics lol.

 

[CutiePie84]

Any folks can provide their opinion whether is it worth to pay 6.6k for this diamond?

Carat = 0.6
Color Grade = E
Clarity Grade = VS1
Cut Grade = Excellent

Polish = Excellent
Symmetry = Excellent
Fluorescence = None
Clarity Characteristics = Crystal, Pinpoint

Ps cant post image as im not allowed to post pics lol.

Can't tell with these info.. Its on the high side I think. JP SIC 0.6 E should be in the 5k range only

 

[Jayden Goh]

Can't tell with these info.. Its on the high side I think. JP SIC 0.6 E should be in the 5k range only

Diamond itself is 5.4k.. The ring itself is 1.2k

 

[Miltah]

Can't tell with these info.. Its on the high side I think. JP SIC 0.6 E should be in the 5k range only

As stated earlier n past comments, a triple excellent is too vague
At least with table size, depth, crown n pavilion angle u can tell if it’s in superideal range.
But u still lack scope images ...