Proposal Ring - Part 3

[Tord__]

Noted, thanks for the tips! Whoa its really exp. took me some time to save up to 5k
I read roughly what people post here, so it’s either a bigger diamond or a higher quality one.

Last sentence more or less sum it up. I suggest taking a look at HOH first then JP. I regretted not looking at HOH diamonds before making my decision.

 

[CaptainFantastic]

See this video. It got show Super Ideal VS Ideal VS EXC. Easier to compare them this way. No matter the lighting, the Super Ideal will stand out the most. I'm not saying the Ideal cut is bad. When you look at the Ideal cut alone by itself, it can still look good. I'm sure like 99% of the population will still be satisfied with it. Only when you compare it next to the Super Ideal cut, then BAM! It takes a home run. Especially at the sunlight part.

 

[KinoChoco]

See this video. It got show Super Ideal VS Ideal VS EXC. Easier to compare them this way. No matter the lighting, the Super Ideal will stand out the most. I'm not saying the Ideal cut is bad. When you look at the Ideal cut alone by itself, it can still look good. I'm sure like 99% of the population will still be satisfied with it. Only when you compare it next to the Super Ideal cut, then BAM! It takes a home run. Especially at the sunlight part.

Haha, actually I think they used an ‘average’ ideal for the video. If you have the time and patience, wait for a ‘high ideal’ and it will be pretty close to a super ideal....keyword being time lol

 

[Miltah]

See this video. It got show Super Ideal VS Ideal VS EXC. Easier to compare them this way. No matter the lighting, the Super Ideal will stand out the most. I'm not saying the Ideal cut is bad. When you look at the Ideal cut alone by itself, it can still look good. I'm sure like 99% of the population will still be satisfied with it. Only when you compare it next to the Super Ideal cut, then BAM! It takes a home run. Especially at the sunlight part.

I think you’ve said it.. 99% of the population will be happy and might not even see the difference. But there will be 1% who want the best of the best and willing to pay a premium

To hit a home run, chances are quite rare to have 2 girls out under the sun comparing their rings. Just as it’s unlikely for a friend who wants to use a loupe to see your diamond. So if u are on a budget.. u know where to look. Agree with Kinococo, there are high ideals when the differences are hard to discern

 

[sgcelineng]

Need some opinions. Was offered these 2 Super ideal cuts from a jeweller.

0.80 F VS1 Gia5313263388
0.81 G VS2 Gia7316040452

Of these 2, which is better?

 

[Miltah]

Need some opinions. Was offered these 2 Super ideal cuts from a jeweller.

0.80 F VS1 Gia5313263388
0.81 G VS2 Gia7316040452

Of these 2, which is better?

What’s the price difference?
Which is better depends on which u like better.
The first F stone will give more fire, the G stone will give more brilliance (white light return)
However both the stones depth are slightly on the edges and u will need to see ASET on both

 

[Sushilicious]

Need some opinions. Was offered these 2 Super ideal cuts from a jeweller.

0.80 F VS1 Gia5313263388
0.81 G VS2 Gia7316040452

Of these 2, which is better?

The proportions for the 0.81 G VS2 is slightly better. The HCA score is 0.6.
The 0.80 F VS1 score is 1.6 and the depth is on the steeper side over 62%.

These are all just based on the proportions only. But proportions are meaningless without the scopes. You'll need the scopes to make a better judgement.

 

[Steve Ta]

Hi guys, I’m planning to head down to JP to buy my engagement ring. Booking my appointment now. I have totally no knowledge about rings.. Budget 4k - 5k
Anyone free to educate me haha.

I bought a lee wah top signature diamond proposal ring $7.5k. with allow full amounts upgrade exchange..i wanted to let go at 4k, u can buy lee wah choose a new ring u want cost 8.5k just pay total 5k. 4k to me 1k to lee wah, transaction at lee wah shop to check, inspection and confirm and pay

 

[sgcelineng]

Thanks! I'm requested for the scopes from the jeweller. Will share them when I get it.

 

[KinoChoco]

Thanks! I'm requested for the scopes from the jeweller. Will share them when I get it.

So basically they show u 2 diamonds of actually different quality, without aset scopes and claims that they are both Super ideal.

To me that’s already being very dishonest and definitely not of Super ideal quality, maybe not even ideal. Better check properly.

 

[sgcelineng]

I got the scope pics. How come it looks so different from the Super ideal cut pics from JP?

0.80 F VS1

0.81 G VS2

 

[CutiePie84]

I got the scope pics. How come it looks so different from the Super ideal cut pics from JP?

0.80 F VS1

0.81 G VS2

0.80 F VS1
This is a very very bad cut.. it's no way a Super Ideal or Ideal Cut.
Got missing arrows, most arrows are deformed and not symmetrical. The Hearts are not symmetrical either. I'd forget about this diamond.

0.81 G VS2
This was the one with the better proportions and good HCA score. Doubt this can even be called an Ideal cut.
Arrows are not straight. There are a number of light leakages on the diamond's table. Girdles are painted and hearts are not symmetrical. Plus, a knot is not a good inclusion to have.

This enforces the reason of why you should never buy a diamond just based on the proportions or certificate. lol.

 

[Miltah]

I got the scope pics. How come it looks so different from the Super ideal cut pics from JP?
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They both look pretty bad. I’m not sure which is worse
The twist in the arrows is more a diamond tilt/misalignment when taking the pict but the rest of the issues are pretty bad

For one, I must congratulate your jeweller for trying. Not many would even take an ASET scope photo for u. Which jeweller is this?

I was also told that Whiteflash invest at least $50k into their photography equipment for taking the scope images. So it’s not something easy to do and do well

 

[CaptainFantastic]

Whoever told you that these are Super Ideal cuts are just trying to cheat you.

I got the scope pics. How come it looks so different from the Super ideal cut pics from JP?

0.80 F VS1

0.81 G VS2

 

[KinoChoco]

They both look pretty bad. I’m not sure which is worse
The twist in the arrows is more a diamond tilt/misalignment when taking the pict but the rest of the issues are pretty bad

For one, I must congratulate your jeweller for trying. Not many would even take an ASET scope photo for u. Which jeweller is this?

I was also told that Whiteflash invest at least $50k into their photography equipment for taking the scope images. So it’s not something easy to do and do well

Eh, I don’t think u need any significant equipment to take aset photos, I believe what they meant was the rotating close up shots of the diamond.

Last I know JP only required an iPhone and that tiny aset scope to take the aset photos.

 

[Miltah]

Eh, I don’t think u need any significant equipment to take aset photos, I believe what they meant was the rotating close up shots of the diamond.

Last I know JP only required an iPhone and that tiny aset scope to take the aset photos.

Yup, that’s probably it.
Nevertheless those are pretty bad finds. I think @sgcelineng will find better ideals at HOH with comparable prices

 

[MyNameIsBob]

Saw this on JP's blog
https://jannpaul-diamonds-joy.blogspot.com/2019/02/diamond-video-comparison-requests.html

Did anyone try this b4?

 

[Miltah]

Saw this on JP's blog
https://jannpaul-diamonds-joy.blogspot.com/2019/02/diamond-video-comparison-requests.html

Did anyone try this b4?

Nope.
But wondering if they would do a JP SIC vs Whiteflash ACA and Brian Gavin diamonds.... remembering of course that these online dealers carry lower color and clarity grades that if comparable provides more value for buyers

 

[KinoChoco]

Nope.
But wondering if they would do a JP SIC vs Whiteflash ACA and Brian Gavin diamonds.... remembering of course that these online dealers carry lower color and clarity grades that if comparable provides more value for buyers

Abit hard to make a fair comparison, the criteria for WF and BG’s Super Ideal are lower, hence JP’s will provide better quality, however if u spend a longer time to look thru out the ‘high’ Super ideal from WF/BG, might be able get better value

 

[Miltah]

Abit hard to make a fair comparison, the criteria for WF and BG’s Super Ideal are lower, hence JP’s will provide better quality, however if u spend a longer time to look thru out the ‘high’ Super ideal from WF/BG, might be able get better value

In what way lower? And would it be dicerning obvious?
Looking at the common triple excellent vs JP’s SIC in the “magnified” video, the differences while there, are not that obvious. In real life like you said earlier might only be 10-15% difference.

Granted I agree there’s variations in WHiteflash ACAs, but I feel the visual differences will be even less. If u can’t notice the difference then u are only paying more for something u can’t see.

The question is, even if it’s a lower quality than a Jp SIC, would u see a difference in the video (if we did not consider scope images)