Proposal Ring - Part 3

[throwawaygrad]

JamesAllen has started to sell lab-grown diamonds, 1.38ct H VS Ideal is S$5k++.

I wonder if years on, diamonds won't be a luxury item anymore?

 

[Miltah]

JamesAllen has started to sell lab-grown diamonds, 1.38ct H VS Ideal is S$5k++.

I wonder if years on, diamonds won't be a luxury item anymore?

Lab grown infinite, natural is finite.
A natural G color SI stone can be had for $7-8k while a whiteflash H eyeclean SI stone for under $9k
In time, I believe there’s more downward pressure of lab grown, whereas pple who are after mind clean will want natural with prices holding. The Debeers move to drop prices on lab grown will make it harder for newcomers growing it unless there’s a big change in consumer views on lab grown.

So in time to come, I believe I’ll see 2 diff markets, one for lab grown vs natural with GIA and AGS trying to grade the two separately

Problem with James Allen now is also the fact that they are hiding certs. So the 1.38ct u posted could be cut badly... u dun really know.

I would consider lab grown if I can get scope images, dimensions and it’s significantly cheaper

 

[KinoChoco]

Lab grown infinite, natural is finite.
A natural G color SI stone can be had for $7-8k while a whiteflash H eyeclean SI stone for under $9k
In time, I believe there’s more downward pressure of lab grown, whereas pple who are after mind clean will want natural with prices holding. The Debeers move to drop prices on lab grown will make it harder for newcomers growing it unless there’s a big change in consumer views on lab grown.

So in time to come, I believe I’ll see 2 diff markets, one for lab grown vs natural with GIA and AGS trying to grade the two separately

Problem with James Allen now is also the fact that they are hiding certs. So the 1.38ct u posted could be cut badly... u dun really know.

I would consider lab grown if I can get scope images, dimensions and it’s significantly cheaper

I remember de beers released their own lab grown and cost less than 1k for a carat? If I’m not wrong the cut aren’t that good...seems more like an attempt to push lab grown into the ‘cheap’ range to retain the luxury appearance of natural diamond, quite a smart move actually..,by doing this, people will still pay premium for natural as they made it obvious in the sense that lab grown are as cheap as fake stones, with de beers resources, I’m sure they can easily ruin lab grown reputation and pricing.

Although some might say lab grown cheaper is good, however in reality, how many people will accept buying/receiving a 1 carat for less than a thousand? Majority won’t due to ego and material sub conciousness haha.

 

[toffeethecat]

Hi shifus, I’m intending to get a ring from James Allen with the 18K white gold 1.5mm comfort fit band. May I know if anyone has purchased from them before and if it rusts?

I am considered ORRO but heard horrendous reviews about the band tarnishing easily...

Considering goldheart’s 0.31 carat solitaire ring as well.

 

[KinoChoco]

Hi shifus, I’m intending to get a ring from James Allen with the 18K white gold 1.5mm comfort fit band. May I know if anyone has purchased from them before and if it rusts?

I am considered ORRO but heard horrendous reviews about the band tarnishing easily...

Considering goldheart’s 0.31 carat solitaire ring as well.

How come orro got into your mind lol, you’re looking for natural diamond or simulant.

All 18k white gold will get yellowish after couple years of usage, shorter if you kept exposing it to harsh chemicals, that’s the real color of white gold, white gold aren’t white. They are plated with rhodium to have the white look, u can re-plate with rhodium if u no longer find it white enough, probably less than $80 to re-plate a ring.

If I’m not wrong orro is using silver and perhaps some coating, it will tarnish much easier as compared to others.

 

[toffeethecat]

How come orro got into your mind lol, you’re looking for natural diamond or simulant.

All 18k white gold will get yellowish after couple years of usage, shorter if you kept exposing it to harsh chemicals, that’s the real color of white gold, white gold aren’t white. They are plated with rhodium to have the white look, u can re-plate with rhodium if u no longer find it white enough, probably less than $80 to re-plate a ring.

If I’m not wrong orro is using silver and perhaps some coating, it will tarnish much easier as compared to others.

Hahahahaha just thought ORRO might be cheaper but then when I change the option to 18K white gold it’s jumps by quite bit. But no rush for me, my SO isn’t gonna pop the question so soon so I’ve time to look around some more.

 

[KinoChoco]

Hahahahaha just thought ORRO might be cheaper but then when I change the option to 18K white gold it’s jumps by quite bit. But no rush for me, my SO isn’t gonna pop the question so soon so I’ve time to look around some more.

Haha if you’re fine with Orro that’s good news for your partner, saves alot of money as compared to natural diamond.

But you definitely want at least 18k white gold for your ring or even platinum. Silver doesn’t last and not meant to be used for something you plan to wear for decades.

 

[theblueark]

Hahahahaha just thought ORRO might be cheaper but then when I change the option to 18K white gold it’s jumps by quite bit. But no rush for me, my SO isn’t gonna pop the question so soon so I’ve time to look around some more.

Orro is using cubic zirconia which is pretty soft (8.5 on Mohs scale) so it gets cloudy with scratches over time. For the 2nd best alternative to diamond (10 on Mohs scale), look at mossanite (9.25 on Mohs scale), which is still about 10x cheaper than diamond.

There are a few places that can do custom rings and set loose stones.

 

[edyst37]

Hi Shifus, abit off topic, but if I like to get a wedding diamond pendant necklace, for wearing on wedding day about 0.3~0.5 carat for the diamond, where the best place to get? Does Jann Paul do diamond necklace too?

Thank you.

 

[KinoChoco]

Hi Shifus, abit off topic, but if I like to get a wedding diamond pendant necklace, for wearing on wedding day about 0.3~0.5 carat for the diamond, where the best place to get? Does Jann Paul do diamond necklace too?

Thank you.

JP does all diamond accessories customisation.

However, for wedding...I tot usually people rents it? Because 0.3-0.5 diamond necklace is like a typical daily wear necklace and not those fancy wedding necklace, those nice big wedding diamond necklace are usually minimally few carats

 

[toffeethecat]

Orro is using cubic zirconia which is pretty soft (8.5 on Mohs scale) so it gets cloudy with scratches over time. For the 2nd best alternative to diamond (10 on Mohs scale), look at mossanite (9.25 on Mohs scale), which is still about 10x cheaper than diamond.

There are a few places that can do custom rings and set loose stones.

Hey there, yup most likely going with the Forever One moissanite from Charles and Colvard. Intending to set the ring locally with 18k or platinum setting at Fonder Diamond. Wondering if anyone has any experience with them?

 

[Miltah]

Hey there, yup most likely going with the Forever One moissanite from Charles and Colvard. Intending to set the ring locally with 18k or platinum setting at Fonder Diamond. Wondering if anyone has any experience with them?

Wonder what’s the cost of the Forever One?

Cz and Moissanite are considered diamond stimulants and are not actually diamonds.
While a lab grown stone is every bit a diamond with the same refractive index and hardness. With the dropping of lab grown prices, just thought it could also be an option..

You can get a 0.5+ct for $1250, with a setting will likely come in under $2k. Just a suggestion since u willing to consider stimulants

 

[Miltah]

Hi Shifus, abit off topic, but if I like to get a wedding diamond pendant necklace, for wearing on wedding day about 0.3~0.5 carat for the diamond, where the best place to get? Does Jann Paul do diamond necklace too?

You didn’t mention a budget.. but it could be a single stone 0.5ct or a 3-5 stone with 0.5ct total weight. U might find the cost being similar as smaller stones cost less but as @kinochoco mentioned, those sizes on the neck is really quite small.

But JP does do it. Just flick them a pict or design and ask them to use ideals from HOH.

Not sure how anal are u but unlike a ring, there’s at least 10-15 types of necklace clasp types ... I hope u know what your girl likes

 

[theblueark]

Cz and Moissanite are considered diamond stimulants and are not actually diamonds.

It’s only a “diamond simulant” to people in the diamond industry or people who are trying to pass it off as diamond. Otherwise it’s just called a gemstone or mineral. Just like Sapphire and emerald and ruby and any other mineral.

 

[toffeethecat]

Wonder what’s the cost of the Forever One?

Cz and Moissanite are considered diamond stimulants and are not actually diamonds.
While a lab grown stone is every bit a diamond with the same refractive index and hardness. With the dropping of lab grown prices, just thought it could also be an option..

You can get a 0.5+ct for $1250, with a setting will likely come in under $2k. Just a suggestion since u willing to consider stimulants

Colourless 1ct goes for about $800. But I’m not too keen on showy rocks. 0.35ct would be a good fit. I would rather spend the money on the house and reno with the new laws regarding CPF usage and all.

 

[edyst37]

You didn’t mention a budget.. but it could be a single stone 0.5ct or a 3-5 stone with 0.5ct total weight. U might find the cost being similar as smaller stones cost less but as @kinochoco mentioned, those sizes on the neck is really quite small.

But JP does do it. Just flick them a pict or design and ask them to use ideals from HOH.

Not sure how anal are u but unlike a ring, there’s at least 10-15 types of necklace clasp types ... I hope u know what your girl likes

Thanks Shifus, think budget around 2k single stone. maybe use it for daily wear or special occasions too, for necklace, maybe no need to have very Super Ideal specs? If go through HOH will be better?

 

[Miltah]

It’s only a “diamond simulant” to people in the diamond industry or people who are trying to pass it off as diamond. Otherwise it’s just called a gemstone or mineral. Just like Sapphire and emerald and ruby and any other mineral.

It’s easier picking out a fake LV bag than a lab grown stone...

 

[KinoChoco]

It’s easier picking out a fake LV bag than a lab grown stone...

I think what blueark meant was if the couple are comfortable telling people it’s not diamond and it’s CZ or whatever whenever people ask about the ring or commented on the ring then it doesn’t matter.

But personally, I don’t care, if it looks like a diamond and not a diamond, I’ll just deem it as stimulant. and I believe 90% of the general public look at this way too, hence if the buyer and wearer doesn’t mind such view, it’s all good, anyway it don’t really matter.

 

[Miltah]

I think what blueark meant was if the couple are comfortable telling people it’s not diamond and it’s CZ or whatever whenever people ask about the ring or commented on the ring then it doesn’t matter.

But personally, I don’t care, if it looks like a diamond and not a diamond, I’ll just deem it as stimulant. and I believe 90% of the general public look at this way too, hence if the buyer and wearer doesn’t mind such view, it’s all good, anyway it don’t really matter.

I wasn’t specifically replying to blueark but thought it was interesting via my newsfeed today.

With LV and even Rolex, I’m sure fakes can’t match the quality of the original yet pple still go for it.
Yet for stones, if it’s a lab grown (and cut well), it’s almost the same as a natural diamond with no difference in quality other than it’s created in a pressure cooker.

Of course, we all got to work with budgets and it’s up to the wearer what they are comfy with

 

[iamnotshawn]

I went to HoH and took a look at some of their diamonds that are within my budget. Need some advice from the experts here. Below are the scope images. All the diamonds are Ideal cuts. Of the 3, which one would you recommend?

A) 0.72c F VVS2 Ideal Cut GIA-2316400518 $6100

B) 0.73c E VS1 Ideal Cut GIA-2317758258 $6200

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