Proposal Ring - Part 3

[ThiamWan]

Rebate back to you guys for the help here! My Turn to share ring pic! Collected my ring ring last weekend and got to chalk up my 6k spending for 100k miles

FYI, Standard chartered had a sign up bonus for their Xcard. Spend 6k after 2 months of sign up date, and you can get 100k miles. They lowered it to 60k miles now already, but still worth it if you know you gonna spend that 6k.

Mine is a super ideal cut diamond of 0.72 F VVS2. Like many others here I went to JP and had excellent service from them. My SA is Sam. Only managed to confirm my diamond after going there 3rd time...
Mind you, each time I go is 1 - 2 hours. So definitely good service there at which no point I felt pressured at all.

I think its needless to say how shiny the diamond is. Everyone here comments the same thing about JP diamonds. All I can say is they really know their diamond stuff well and their services goes beyond the usual which I have experienced so far. I was running late to collect my ring and Sam brought out the card charging machine outside to me so I could use charge my card for points because their store was closed already. I only reach 8.45pm! Any other place would tell me to come another day, but not Sam (they close at like 8pm?).

Don't mind my ugly hands. Just finished my reservist outfield and got super tanned.

Congrats! That’s alot of miles. Can use it for an overseas proposal.

 

[cibeisian]

Hi guys, I have been doing my research just wondering if anyone heard of 77diamonds.com before? I compared prices they are relative cheaper. However based in London, shipping and insurance is free though

 

[Miltah]

Hi guys, I have been doing my research just wondering if anyone heard of 77diamonds.com before? I compared prices they are relative cheaper. However based in London, shipping and insurance is free though

U get what u pay for

 

[cibeisian]

I am fairly new this this and hoping to get some opinion if the below diamond is fairly priced ? have yet to check out JP and other jewelers.

https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=2336503068&s=1570586420794

$3894 for just the stone alone

 

[CaptainFantastic]

I am fairly new this this and hoping to get some opinion if the below diamond is fairly priced ? have yet to check out JP and other jewelers.

https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=2336503068&s=1570586420794

$3894 for just the stone alone

Based on my observation from the certificate itself, the diamond is neither a Super ideal or Ideal cut. The HCA is 2.2

• The diamond is a flat 0.70ct. A 0.6+ or 0.7+ will be more worth it.
  
• Strong Florescence? Its counter productive to you paying more of the higher color and clarity grade. Florescence has a chance to make the diamond milky. Small chance, but you willing to take the risk?
  
• The crown is very steep. 36 degrees is out of the ideal range for the crown. Table is 59. JP recently released a video on the fish eye effect. Yours have the potential to have it from the wide table, shallow pavilion and thick girdles.
  
  

Is the diamond cheap? Probably.
Can you get it cheaper? Most likely, given the issues it has.
Is it worth it? Only if you're buying a diamond for the sake of it. This one's likely a dud.

This is just a preliminary assessment based on the cert. After you find a diamond that passes this, you will need the scope images to further clarify.

 

[cibeisian]

Based on my observation from the certificate itself, the diamond is neither a Super ideal or Ideal cut. The HCA is 2.2

• The diamond is a flat 0.70ct. A 0.6+ or 0.7+ will be more worth it.
  
• Strong Florescence? Its counter productive to you paying more of the higher color and clarity grade. Florescence has a chance to make the diamond milky. Small chance, but you willing to take the risk?
  
• The crown is very steep. 36 degrees is out of the ideal range for the crown. Table is 59. JP recently released a video on the fish eye effect. Yours have the potential to have it from the wide table, shallow pavilion and thick girdles.
  
  

Is the diamond cheap? Probably.
Can you get it cheaper? Most likely, given the issues it has.
Is it worth it? Only if you're buying a diamond for the sake of it. This one's likely a dud.

This is just a preliminary assessment based on the cert. After you find a diamond that passes this, you will need the scope images to further clarify.

Thanks for the valuable insights, will do more research.

Didnt know there is soo much details into a diamond.

 

[teachef]

Hi, want to check with you guys on HCA scores, as I am looking to buy a diamond ring. Was told that screening diamonds with HCA scores below 1.4, is a good first cut in finding excellent diamonds (using ideal and ASET scopes to check on contrast and light leakage are steps to follow thereafter).

One of the criteria that Jann Paul uses to classify their super ideal cut diamonds are those with HCA scores between 0.4 to 1.4. However, after doing some research, I realise that HCA scores below 1, are shallower cut diamonds. Shallower cut diamonds gives bigger spread (appears larger) with stronger brightness, but it doesn't perform as well in terms of fire and scintillation (sparkles). Hence, Gary Holloway (the inventor of the HCA tool) himself, personally favours diamonds with HCA scores below 1, to be used for pendants or earrings, as opposed to diamond rings.

If that is the case, shouldn't one of the classifications of finding super ideal cut diamonds (for rings) be those that have HCA scores between 1 to 1.4? The diamonds would then display more fire/scintillation.

 

[ThiamWan]

Hi, want to check with you guys on HCA scores, as I am looking to buy a diamond ring. Was told that screening diamonds with HCA scores below 1.4, is a good first cut in finding excellent diamonds (using ideal and ASET scopes to check on contrast and light leakage are steps to follow thereafter).

One of the criteria that Jann Paul uses to classify their super ideal cut diamonds are those with HCA scores between 0.4 to 1.4. However, after doing some research, I realise that HCA scores below 1, are shallower cut diamonds. Shallower cut diamonds gives bigger spread (appears larger) with stronger brightness, but it doesn't perform as well in terms of fire and scintillation (sparkles). Hence, Gary Holloway (the inventor of the HCA tool) himself, personally favours diamonds with HCA scores below 1, to be used for pendants or earrings, as opposed to diamond rings.

If that is the case, shouldn't one of the classifications of finding super ideal cut diamonds (for rings) be those that have HCA scores between 1 to 1.4? The diamonds would then display more fire/scintillation.

That touches on the topic of BIC and FIC. HCA is just a number to try to predict the performance. Numbers aren’t everything and you need the combine it with the info from the scopes. Someone posted a good insight abt this before.

Other factors to look into is the star facet and lower girdle halves. HCA is only one part of the story.

The proportions is bad. It's not worth it at all. Even if its $2k, I still wont get it. Aim for a HCA score under 1.4, and then use the scope images. The scope images are even more important because the proportions will not make sense without the scopes. Proportions only tells you 1/2 the info about the diamond. The other 1/2 is through the scopes.

The diamond is a E VVS1, can be considered as very high specs. If the proportions and scope images is not good, the high specs will be useless because the diamond won't shine in the first place. And if the basic proportions is already not good, the scopes confirm will not be good.

What you want is both BIC (brilliant ideal cut) AND FIC (firey ideal cut). BIC and FIC are at the opposite of each other at end of the spectrum.
BIC advantage is the diamond will be more brilliant, brighter and wider. Disadvantage is that it will be less firey (colorful). When you go too far into the BIC spectrum, the diamond will be very brilliant (bright) but will have no fire.
FIC advantage is the diamond will be more firey (colorful). Disadvantage is it will be less brilliant, less bright and smaller. Too far in the FIC spectrum is also not good as it the diamond will be firey with no brilliance (like crystal glass).

TIC (tolkosky ideal cut) tries to aim for the middle that is inbetween FIC and BIC, by using the proportions to gauge. But the proportions is not 100% accurate. So the safest is to use the proportions and scope images. This is where SIC (Super Ideal Cut) comes about where it has the perfect balance between FIC and BIC.

Your welcome

 

[reny17]

To all the bros here I need some advice.

Anyone bought gemstones instead of diamonds? My so wants a blue sapphire ring but I’m kinda lost about where to go and start. Anyone with experience would help . Also is it advisable to buy the gemstone online and set in singapore? Thanks.

 

[lowlowblowfish]

Rebate back to you guys for the help here! My Turn to share ring pic! Collected my ring ring last weekend and got to chalk up my 6k spending for 100k miles

FYI, Standard chartered had a sign up bonus for their Xcard. Spend 6k after 2 months of sign up date, and you can get 100k miles. They lowered it to 60k miles now already, but still worth it if you know you gonna spend that 6k.

Mine is a super ideal cut diamond of 0.72 F VVS2. Like many others here I went to JP and had excellent service from them. My SA is Sam. Only managed to confirm my diamond after going there 3rd time...
Mind you, each time I go is 1 - 2 hours. So definitely good service there at which no point I felt pressured at all.

I think its needless to say how shiny the diamond is. Everyone here comments the same thing about JP diamonds. All I can say is they really know their diamond stuff well and their services goes beyond the usual which I have experienced so far. I was running late to collect my ring and Sam brought out the card charging machine outside to me so I could use charge my card for points because their store was closed already. I only reach 8.45pm! Any other place would tell me to come another day, but not Sam (they close at like 8pm?).

Don't mind my ugly hands. Just finished my reservist outfield and got super tanned.

Nice ring! I tried applying for the Xcard but cannot apply liao. Can only register interest and wait for it to be back. Damn.. if only I knew abt this sooner.

I already have a $500 deposit with JP. The bulk of the balance only need to pay when I collect the ring. I'm figuring out whats the next best credit card to use. Any suggestions?

 

[Miltah]

Nice ring! I tried applying for the Xcard but cannot apply liao. Can only register interest and wait for it to be back. Damn.. if only I knew abt this sooner.

I already have a $500 deposit with JP. The bulk of the balance only need to pay when I collect the ring. I'm figuring out whats the next best credit card to use. Any suggestions?

If u use your cc u already paid for it.
If u choose to pay cash or transfer, there’s further discount.
So it really depends on your purchase if the miles earned exceed the discount that would be given

 

[Miltah]

To all the bros here I need some advice.

Anyone bought gemstones instead of diamonds? My so wants a blue sapphire ring but I’m kinda lost about where to go and start. Anyone with experience would help . Also is it advisable to buy the gemstone online and set in singapore? Thanks.

There’s even less transparency with blues.

Brian Gavin has quite a selection of blues online. U can use it to gauge local prices

 

[merlintehleh]

Nice ring! I tried applying for the Xcard but cannot apply liao. Can only register interest and wait for it to be back. Damn.. if only I knew abt this sooner.

I already have a $500 deposit with JP. The bulk of the balance only need to pay when I collect the ring. I'm figuring out whats the next best credit card to use. Any suggestions?

Oh, didnt know they close the application.
The next best cards are Krisflyler, Citi/UOB miles card. Good luck!

Congrats! That’s alot of miles. Can use it for an overseas proposal.

Yes! I'm trying to see I can accumulate enough points by next year to do a Business class to Europe

 

[aberfeldy43]

Hi all! Confirmed chope my diamond with JannPaul too!
I booked a SIC with them but now thinking maybe going for Octagon =p
Diamonds are really tip top and service I must say unbeatable. Can easily see how the top quality ones really shine. I can stare at the diamond all day if I could bring it home. haha

This is my scope images. It's my computer wallpaper now. lol

I was served by Sky very nice lad and was friendly and patient. He is like guiding a blur me through the whole session. We had actually stretched longer to about 3.5 hours as we talked more on the custom design.
I had a theme in mind and must say it wasn't easy to visualize....My line of work is in carpentry and I do simple designs myself.

Dovetail joints are used in carpentry for merging of 2 joints into a solid piece which provides strength while looking sleek. It also represents both parties conforming into the edges and curves in unison.

This is what they came up with so far and I really like the concept.
Aesthetically, I just wanted a simple ring. The connecting joints represents the carpentry work that I do. Some of the blocks are matted and glossy to create the contrast and wood element design. The Idea is to have these parts made individually, and combine it later to form the whole ring.

Bonus point which I must really say a big kudos to them! I might be able to try out my hand skills in the ring making. They suggested for me to "try" and mount the main diamond. All this is still in discussion to see if its possible. If can, it'll be soooooo cool. This will make it even more meaningful if I can be involved in the ring making process.

 

[beckslim]

Hi all! Confirmed chope my diamond with JannPaul too!
I booked a SIC with them but now thinking maybe going for Octagon =p
Diamonds are really tip top and service I must say unbeatable. Can easily see how the top quality ones really shine. I can stare at the diamond all day if I could bring it home. haha

This is my scope images. It's my computer wallpaper now. lol

I was served by Sky very nice lad and was friendly and patient. He is like guiding a blur me through the whole session. We had actually stretched longer to about 3.5 hours as we talked more on the custom design.
I had a theme in mind and must say it wasn't easy to visualize....My line of work is in carpentry and I do simple designs myself.

Dovetail joints are used in carpentry for merging of 2 joints into a solid piece which provides strength while looking sleek. It also represents both parties conforming into the edges and curves in unison.

This is what they came up with so far and I really like the concept.
Aesthetically, I just wanted a simple ring. The connecting joints represents the carpentry work that I do. Some of the blocks are matted and glossy to create the contrast and wood element design. The Idea is to have these parts made individually, and combine it later to form the whole ring.

Bonus point which I must really say a big kudos to them! I might be able to try out my hand skills in the ring making. They suggested for me to "try" and mount the main diamond. All this is still in discussion to see if its possible. If can, it'll be soooooo cool. This will make it even more meaningful if I can be involved in the ring making process.

Interesting! Back then they didnt have this for me yet. You can literally tell your SO, I made this ring for you

 

[teachef]

Hey guys! These are my scope images:

From the other ASET scopes which I have seen in this forum, I noticed the inner eight blue arrows are normally a shade darker than the outer eight blue arrows. However, the blue arrows (inner and outer) on my diamond has the same shade of blue (pale blue). Should inner arrows be a darker shade of blue?

Also, from the magnified image of the actual diamond, I can also see patches of yellow, blue and brown. Is this normal?

Any other comments on the diamond would be appreciated. Thanks.

 

[breakeven]

Hey guys! These are my scope images:

From the other ASET scopes which I have seen in this forum, I noticed the inner eight blue arrows are normally a shade darker than the outer eight blue arrows. However, the blue arrows (inner and outer) on my diamond has the same shade of blue (pale blue). Should inner arrows be a darker shade of blue?

Also, from the magnified image of the actual diamond, I can also see patches of yellow, blue and brown. Is this normal?

Any other comments on the diamond would be appreciated. Thanks.

The arrows are straight, each sector is symmetrical to a rather high level. The SIC is close to the perfect benchmark and perhaps you don't have to worry about the shades of blues, yellow and brown. Ultimately, I believe that there is not much difference when one sees the diamond with our eyes, so let your heart be at peace and enjoy the diamond you have selected and not so much into the perfection of it under the aset scope. You have got a good one there. Anyway, how many carat is this and you were quoted?

 

[Miltah]

Also, from the magnified image of the actual diamond, I can also see patches of yellow, blue and brown. Is this normal? .

Thats cos u can see color in magnified view.

 

[evelynleebali]

Hey guys! These are my scope images:

From the other ASET scopes which I have seen in this forum, I noticed the inner eight blue arrows are normally a shade darker than the outer eight blue arrows. However, the blue arrows (inner and outer) on my diamond has the same shade of blue (pale blue). Should inner arrows be a darker shade of blue?

Also, from the magnified image of the actual diamond, I can also see patches of yellow, blue and brown. Is this normal?

Any other comments on the diamond would be appreciated. Thanks.

The scopes are perfect. The dark or light blue on the ASET shouldnt matter. It has the same meaning of contrast.

The actual diamond colors are the sparkles. Its like the photo version of the diamond in this video https://www.facebook.com/JannPaulDiamonds/posts/2743646195667844

or like this one

Yep. I asked them for it already. This is mine

 

[ratedrsuperstar]

Dear all,

I just bought a diamond ring from JP recently and paid a deposit of 1k.

Pls advise what is the protocol to settle the remaining amount as I was told to come down and make payment in full prior to collecting the ring (finished product). Thanks