Proposal Ring - Part 3

[KinoChoco]

i kind of remember asking if its rhodium plated and they said no. what i remember for certain is asking if the white gold ring will turn yellowish with use and they said no.

Probably some miscommunication bah, there's no way 'white gold' will appear white without plating as gold is the main alloy and there will always be hint of gold/yellowish regardless how you mix unless you're mixing for dark colors

 

[mero_cwj]

Woah thanks, i've been wondering this too why some certs shows the plot and some doesnt. So it's only for 1 CT above

Since one of the forummers here brought the idea of inclusion/clarity plots in a GIA cert, anyone knows where can we send our stones for recertification in Singapore to include the plots for diamonds <1 carat?

Actually it's possible to send diamonds <1 carat for grading with the more detailed report with the plot diagram, just that it's more expensive. Retailers usually only bother with the more detailed report for >1 carat diamonds.

If you want to get a <1 carat diamond but want the benefit of a plot diagram, I think AGS reports have the plot diagram even for <1 carat diamonds. JP does carry some AGS certified round brilliant cut diamonds, but I think the bulk of their stock is GIA certified.

Greetings all! I am particularly interested in the cushion Brellia.

Given the huge rapaport price disparity between the round and cushion cut, do you think it's fair to estimate Brellia price using the rap guide on round cut?

I think the Brellia and Octagon cuts have a separate pricing tier which can't really be reliably estimated based on the rap price for round brilliant cut. That being said, they share more of a link with the round brilliant cut than with the cushion cut since they are modified round brilliant cuts (as noted on the AGS certs) as opposed to the cushion cut which is a completely separate type of cut.

i kind of remember asking if its rhodium plated and they said no. what i remember for certain is asking if the white gold ring will turn yellowish with use and they said no.

just checked my email. if the ring contains any other thing and my wife has an allergy reaction to the ring. i'll be damm pissed.

"For 18k white gold, it is a mixture of 75% pure yellow gold, with 25% alloy of Silver, palladium & Zinc, which gives white gold the white shiny look."

No, that's why JP says their white gold is generally allergy-free, because they use palladium in the alloy instead of nickel. The bulk of white gold allergies are to the nickel used in the alloy. I think palladium allergies are quite rare (if any). Like what KinoChoco said, it is 18k white gold (which is an alloy with the composite materials above), plated with rhodium.

 

[Biogentic]

Actually it's possible to send diamonds <1 carat for grading with the more detailed report with the plot diagram, just that it's more expensive. Retailers usually only bother with the more detailed report for >1 carat diamonds.

If you want to get a <1 carat diamond but want the benefit of a plot diagram, I think AGS reports have the plot diagram even for <1 carat diamonds. JP does carry some AGS certified round brilliant cut diamonds, but I think the bulk of their stock is GIA certified.



I think the Brellia and Octagon cuts have a separate pricing tier which can't really be reliably estimated based on the rap price for round brilliant cut. That being said, they share more of a link with the round brilliant cut than with the cushion cut since they are modified round brilliant cuts (as noted on the AGS certs) as opposed to the cushion cut which is a completely separate type of cut.



No, that's why JP says their white gold is generally allergy-free, because they use palladium in the alloy instead of nickel. The bulk of white gold allergies are to the nickel used in the alloy. I think palladium allergies are quite rare (if any). Like what KinoChoco said, it is 18k white gold (which is an alloy with the composite materials above), plated with rhodium.

Any idea how much is platinium setting with side diamond at JP? Was quoted 1.2k for white gold

 

[mero_cwj]

Any idea how much is platinium setting with side diamond at JP? Was quoted 1.2k for white gold

About 80-100% more, so usually around double the price.

 

[morpheus2480]

Hi guys,

It is pretty obvious this is a JP dominated thread. Is there really no point in considering other brick and mortar jewelers for the most part?

Based on what I have read.. it is mostly:

1.) JP
2.) JA
3.) all the rest.

 

[meshpenstand]

Hi guys,

It is pretty obvious this is a JP dominated thread. Is there really no point in considering other brick and mortar jewelers for the most part?

Based on what I have read.. it is mostly:

1.) JP
2.) JA
3.) all the rest.

Well, imho.. those that you can consider would be
1. Tiffany
2. Cartier
3. and the likes
4. Orro (for alternatives)
5. and the likes of Orro

Apparently, the other more mainstream are not place in a very good marketing segment. They does not provide as good quality diamonds as JP, and does not provide strong branding like Tiffany and sorts. They are somewhere in the middle...

They are however, good for people who not too particular about diamonds and would like a little branding. TBH, I did thought about them but I only have 1 shot. So, I decide to just got for safe.

 

[bb_100]

Actually it's possible to send diamonds <1 carat for grading with the more detailed report with the plot diagram, just that it's more expensive. Retailers usually only bother with the more detailed report for >1 carat diamonds.

Any idea where can I send my diamond for grading in Singapore? GIA got "branch" here arr? My heart shaped diamond grading report does not even have a complete profile with actual proportions. Only the table and depth percentages are mentioned.

 

[mero_cwj]

Hi guys,

It is pretty obvious this is a JP dominated thread. Is there really no point in considering other brick and mortar jewelers for the most part?

Based on what I have read.. it is mostly:

1.) JP
2.) JA
3.) all the rest.

Well here's a list of jewellers which I think offer quality cuts (in no order of preference):

JP
White Dwarf
Whiteflash
Good Old Gold
Brian Gavin Diamonds
High Performance Diamonds
James Allen

Locally, I only know of 2 shops that offer ASET scope examination, and only a handful of online retailers that have ASET scope images readily available (since these cater to a more diverse client base). There are other jewellers that are highly recommended on forums like pricescope, but they are more similar to our local JP/WD in that they mostly cater to a local client base, so they don't have much of an online presence.

If you want my honest opinion, I'd say go and look at all of them from the comfort of your computer, then compare the local prices and make a decision. I came to the conclusion that the premium I would pay buying locally was worth it for the added services, but that's just me. There are others whose selection criteria are different from mine (whether it be brand name, lowest price per carat weight), so their choice of where to buy from would inevitably be different from mine. So there's no end all and be all for choice of jeweller, since it really depends on what you want. If you're after top quality cuts like me, then I would say there's no point looking at other retailers except for comparison's sake.

 

[meshpenstand]

Well here's a list of jewellers which I think offer quality cuts (in no order of preference):

JP
White Dwarf
Whiteflash
Good Old Gold
Brian Gavin Diamonds
High Performance Diamonds
James Allen

Locally, I only know of 2 shops that offer ASET scope examination, and only a handful of online retailers that have ASET scope images readily available (since these cater to a more diverse client base). There are other jewellers that are highly recommended on forums like pricescope, but they are more similar to our local JP/WD in that they mostly cater to a local client base, so they don't have much of an online presence.

If you want my honest opinion, I'd say go and look at all of them from the comfort of your computer, then compare the local prices and make a decision. I came to the conclusion that the premium I would pay buying locally was worth it for the added services, but that's just me. There are others whose selection criteria are different from mine (whether it be brand name, lowest price per carat weight), so their choice of where to buy from would inevitably be different from mine. So there's no end all and be all for choice of jeweller, since it really depends on what you want. If you're after top quality cuts like me, then I would say there's no point looking at other retailers except for comparison's sake.

For me, it is pretty straight forward.

- My budget cannot afford Tiffany and sorts.
- I am lazy
- I want a relatively good diamond

 

[mero_cwj]

Any idea where can I send my diamond for grading in Singapore? GIA got "branch" here arr? My heart shaped diamond grading report does not even have a complete profile with actual proportions. Only the table and depth percentages are mentioned.

I don't think so. Nearest GIA branch to SG is in Hong Kong I think. Think there used to be a SG branch but that closed some time back.

There are a couple of local appraisers that are somewhat well recommended online. I think the most established one is Nanyang Gemological Institute, but I have no experience with this so I can't recommend anything.

If you already bought a diamond I'm not really sure whether there's a point sending it for re-certification...

 

[mero_cwj]

For me, it is pretty straight forward.

- My budget cannot afford Tiffany and sorts.
- I am lazy
- I want a relatively good diamond

If I say I could have afford Tiffany, did a lot of research work, want a relatively good diamond, and still bought from JP in the end, what does that tell you?

Jokes aside, honestly I have no ties with JP aside from having great service from them, and I think they are very competitive compared to the other non-branded jewellers. I suppose it's quite telling that they have sort of built up a brand name for themselves despite being relatively newer in the market and being a pure brick-and-mortar jeweller.

(yes I know they have ties to House of Hung which is one of the oldest jewellers in SG, but it's quite interesting to hear that there are girls who tell their BFs that they only want a diamond ring from JP and not elsewhere isn't it?)

 

[King.of.Kings]

Hi guys,

It is pretty obvious this is a JP dominated thread. Is there really no point in considering other brick and mortar jewelers for the most part?

Based on what I have read.. it is mostly:

1.) JP
2.) JA
3.) all the rest.

I had my fair share of walking into every local brick and mortar jewellers for quotes, but none can match the quality and price offered by JP. The fact that most of us are willing to wait 2 months for ring collection, is already a testament of their quality and value.

FYI - I downpaid for a Brellia 0.913ct F VVS1 with setting for $13k.

 

[morpheus2480]

I had my fair share of walking into every local brick and mortar jewellers for quotes, but none can match the quality and price offered by JP. The fact that most of us are willing to wait 2 months for ring collection, is already a testament of their quality and value.

FYI - I downpaid for a Brellia 0.913ct F VVS1 with setting for $13k.

Congrats! Who was your sales exec? I think I recall you were just looking for a recommendation on who to schedule an appointment for when you posted yesterday

 

[King.of.Kings]

Congrats! Who was your sales exec? I think I recall you were just looking for a recommendation on who to schedule an appointment for when you posted yesterday

I was assisted by Casey. Extremely pleased with his product knowledge and patience. I have already gotten my scope images and waiting for the 3D render.

I was earlier asking for opinions on whether is it valid to estimate cushion H&A price using rapaport round diamond price guide.

 

[meshpenstand]

If I say I could have afford Tiffany, did a lot of research work, want a relatively good diamond, and still bought from JP in the end, what does that tell you?

Jokes aside, honestly I have no ties with JP aside from having great service from them, and I think they are very competitive compared to the other non-branded jewellers. I suppose it's quite telling that they have sort of built up a brand name for themselves despite being relatively newer in the market and being a pure brick-and-mortar jeweller.

(yes I know they have ties to House of Hung which is one of the oldest jewellers in SG, but it's quite interesting to hear that there are girls who tell their BFs that they only want a diamond ring from JP and not elsewhere isn't it?)

As a marketing guy, I know and appreciate the "power" of branding.
If you are a guy, who are willing to pay for the brand instead of the product. Then okay. Of course, if you are like me, who cannot afford the brand.. then no need to consider.

 

[meshpenstand]

IMHO,
I think if guys selects the diamond, normally our geeky side will dominate the decision. (4Cs and how much value we get out of our bucks) And JP fulfills that criteria, by feeling us information, details and scopes.

Whereas if girl selects the diamond, they want big, blink, bright. (Also 4 Cs) And JP also fulfills that particular criteria.

Only area where JP is unable to compete is the branding. JP is a relatively unknown brand, outside of Singapore. In terms of branding, they are miles from Tiffany and the likes of it. But they provide a reasonable price, that justify the "lack" of international branding. However, in terms of the local diamond community and us in HWZ, JP is known for their reliability and quality.

Unless you are not in Singapore, I would definitely recommend JP as one of the choice to consider.

 

[ironmanstark88]

Diamonds below 1 carat will not have the inclusion plots. If you want the plots, I believe you can send your stone to GIA for a recertification. But it will cost more lar for sure.

If this is the case, will we get a diamond with feathers on girdle without us knowing?

 

[Biogentic]

I don't think so. Nearest GIA branch to SG is in Hong Kong I think. Think there used to be a SG branch but that closed some time back.

There are a couple of local appraisers that are somewhat well recommended online. I think the most established one is Nanyang Gemological Institute, but I have no experience with this so I can't recommend anything.

If you already bought a diamond I'm not really sure whether there's a point sending it for re-certification...

Hi, the nearest GIA Branch where you can submit your diamond for grading by GIA is in Bangkok. You can google GIA diamond Bangkok, there is a price schedule for diamond grading report and also the procedure on how to submit. generally the lower carat your diamond, the fees is lower I think at most 2.7k thb for 1carat and below approximate $120sgd.

 

[Biogentic]

IMHO,
I think if guys selects the diamond, normally our geeky side will dominate the decision. (4Cs and how much value we get out of our bucks) And JP fulfills that criteria, by feeling us information, details and scopes.

Whereas if girl selects the diamond, they want big, blink, bright. (Also 4 Cs) And JP also fulfills that particular criteria.

Only area where JP is unable to compete is the branding. JP is a relatively unknown brand, outside of Singapore. In terms of branding, they are miles from Tiffany and the likes of it. But they provide a reasonable price, that justify the "lack" of international branding. However, in terms of the local diamond community and us in HWZ, JP is known for their reliability and quality.

Unless you are not in Singapore, I would definitely recommend JP as one of the choice to consider.

For a loose diamond, I don't think it is important to be from any particular brand as it is a commodity. What is important is the rock is of certain quality.
I use 999 gold necklace as an example, be it the gold is from Poh Heng or the very famous HK goldsmith Chow Tai Fook, the price or value is still the same when you sell it anywhere. No one will pay above spot price just because your gold is stamped from Chow Tai Fook. Similarly, if your gold is 916 only, it will definitely valued lower than a 999 gold.

However for setting, I tend to agree a better branding is needed. That is why you can see them bringing some branded setting right which I feel is quite steep.

 

[bb_100]

If you already bought a diamond I'm not really sure whether there's a point sending it for re-certification...

Quite true also. Some more need to send to HK. Better not risk it for a piece of paper haha.