Proposal Ring - Part 3

[KinoChoco]

By checking Fonder Diamond, do you mean making an appt, going down to the showroom and get a consultation?

You don’t need to talk to a sales person when you can get ASET, Ideal scope images off them. Scopes images doesn’t lie, human does.

 

[KinoChoco]

There’s some confusion about diamond quality, certificate and price comparisons that’s creating a lot of misunderstanding amongst the bros. To make it easier for everyone, let me try to summarise it as best I can to clear the air.

First off, there is different diamond quality. You can categorise them into,
Tier 1 - aka Super Ideal Cuts
Tier 2 - aka Ideal Cuts
Tier 3 - aka Excellent Cuts

Is there a visual difference? Yes, especially when you compare them (or at least to me). I won’t go into details about this as its better that you discover it yourselves.
On paper (certificate), these 3 different Tiers can have the same details on paper, as the certificate gives only basic information. Choosing a diamond solely on the certificate info is plain buying blindly. It’s like asking a Doctor to diagnose a patient with a stethoscope. Is it useful? Yes. Can it diagnose a patient fully? No. The Doctor would need a MRI scan, blood test, etc. to get the full information of a patient to give an accurate diagnosis. Same thing as diamonds, where the ASET, Hearts and arrows scope, etc. is needed for a fuller analysis.

These different Tiers can affect the diamond’s price too. We use a 0.5ct D VVS1 for example.
Tier 1 (Super Ideal Cut) 0.5ct D VVS1 - $5,000
Tier 2 (Ideal Cut) 0.5ct D VVS1 - $4,000
Tier 3 (Excellent Cut) 0.5ct D VVS1 - $3,000

These 3 diamonds have same certificate but the cost is different. In essence, quality can affect price.
But the crux of the matter is that there is no universal law or rule of what is a Ideal Cut, which makes things very complicated.

For example, Shop A uses a Tier 3 (Excellent Cut) 0.5ct D VVS1 diamond, calls it a ‘Super Ideal Cut’ and sells it for $4,000.
If you compare it with another Shop B selling a Tier 1 (Super Ideal Cut) for $5,000, you would think Shop A is a good deal, where in fact, the true price is only worth $3,000.
*This is purely an example, and I’m not labelling any shops.

Basically, don’t blindly trust all these labels and what the any shops calls them, and do your own research on whether your diamond truly belongs to which Tier.
Even if you don’t care about the quality, by knowing which Tier your diamond belongs to, you can use it to gauge what’s a good price you should be paying for it.


The next point is finding the same diamond being offered at different shops. Why are different shops able to sell the same diamond?
Shops can sell diamonds in 2 different ways.
1. Own inventory
2. Floating goods

Own inventory is basically owning the diamonds that they sell. Usually, these are the better quality ones as which shop would want to use their own money to invest in lousy diamonds?
Floating goods is when the shop doesn’t own the diamonds, but borrows it from the suppliers to sell. Usually, these are the more problematic ones because these are the diamonds that shops don’t want to buy for their own inventory.
So where do all these diamonds go to that shops don’t want to invest in? The floating goods. There can be many many reasons to this like the diamond being milky, off color tinges, durability issues, light leakages, etc (which is all not on the certificate).
I’m not saying that all of these diamonds are bad, but you have to be very careful about them and they are floating goods for a reason.

Majority of websites do the floating goods method, or some can use both methods. Most people avoid the floating goods as there are many risks involved, but I feel that there is no right or wrong in this.
Its just what is your level of tolerance that is acceptable to you.
The problem only comes in when websites just calls anything Super Ideal Cut just to fool people into competing with JP standards.

So it really depends on what you want. At the end of the day, everyone just wants to get the best bang for the buck. Some go for quality value, some go for paper value.
But whether you want a Tier 1 or Tier 3 diamond, I believe that everyone wants the best price you can get for it.
Its just that some might confuse the labels and compare a Tier 1 and Tier 3 diamond which is not correct.

Basically, you don’t want to buy a Tier 3 diamond and pay a Tier 2 price for it, thinking its a Tier 1 quality.

Excellent post, this is exactly what’s happening on the market, shops selling Tier 2/3 diamonds but posting off as Tier 1 and then convince you with all the sales talk to make you feel that you paid for the best pricing for a Tier 1 diamond which often you’re getting tier 2/3.

I’ve seen so many vendors doing this...some even say that ASET scope images are not a good indication and gives you some other cheap useless light performance certification and proclaim it’s the best.

 

[DeekLeek]

guys, i am new here. need help

so i went to JAnn Paul just now. Was served by this nice lady, Julie. may I have your POV on these three option please, al the price exclude setting (just loose diamond price)

SIC:

0.43c, G, VS1, 2600$

Solasfera:
0.35c, F, VS1, 2450$

0.37 G, VVS1, 2400$

May another question is, is it OK to ask for GIA number usually? Went to few like SK, goldheart, either they were reluctant for me to take the GIA number, or were quite shocked when I asked for permission to jot them down.

Also, how is JP solasfera differ from SK's All Love ?

Its normal to get the GIA number. No reason they will hide it unless got sumthing wrong.

JP Solasfera got 91 facet and SK All love is 81 facets. Both got the 10 hearts and arrows. I think the Solasfera was the first 10 hearts and arrows and then SK try to copy and do 81. I dont see the selling point for All Love since the Solasfera got more facets and is still priced cheaper.

I'm contemplating of upgrading my diamond to the Solasfera. hmmmm.

 

[thltetek]

guys, i am new here. need help

so i went to JAnn Paul just now. Was served by this nice lady, Julie. may I have your POV on these three option please, al the price exclude setting (just loose diamond price)

SIC:

0.43c, G, VS1, 2600$

Solasfera:
0.35c, F, VS1, 2450$

0.37 G, VVS1, 2400$

May another question is, is it OK to ask for GIA number usually? Went to few like SK, goldheart, either they were reluctant for me to take the GIA number, or were quite shocked when I asked for permission to jot them down.

Also, how is JP solasfera differ from SK's All Love ?

I'd go for SIC, 0.43c, G, VS1. Reason being I feel that going for solasfera in a smaller carat might not be able to see much difference from the naked eyes.

Furthermore, the fire from solasfera is smaller than SIC due to the higher number of cuts. Hence, if you were to go for a lower carat, the fire will be even smaller, compared to the SIC. Thus, I'd rather go for a higher carat for diamond in this carat range.

 

[benzene]

Last Sat, i made an appt to go JP with my partner and was served by William.
Beside JP, we also visited Michael Trio and others on other occusions
This William guy really power, he slowly explained everything to us from 230pm till 430pm. In the end we decided on:

SIC
0.54 carat
G
VS1
$4100 + $550 setting

Afterwhich we went Cartier to get our wedding bands....

 

[terrorblade]

Last Sat, i made an appt to go JP with my partner and was served by William.
Beside JP, we also visited Michael Trio and others on other occusions
This William guy really power, he slowly explained everything to us from 230pm till 430pm. In the end we decided on:

SIC
0.54 carat
G
VS1
$4100 + $550 setting

Afterwhich we went Cartier to get our wedding bands....

Congrats! Any pictures of the diamond?

 

[benzene]

Congrats! Any pictures of the diamond?

tks tks...
I think my partner only took the pic of the GIA cert only.
I cannot rem is 6 or 8 weeks later before we can collect it.
To be honest i didnt expect to buy it from them too.
But we were a bit impressed with the number of gadgets they used to show us our diamond...
There are so much people in the shop till they have to turn away walk in while we were there.

 

[BobbyBarbosa]

Collected my ring from jp! De diamond very blinding sia ... the whole ring took 5 weeks to make and worth the wait ... i show my fren and he also stunn lol.

this one is they take the video for me after i ask

den this is i take myself .. the video not as sharp but can see the sparkle v clear. the diamond is a 0.62 g vs1 solasfera cut. but i think her ring size i estimated too small ... now i dunno if i should ask them to resize it bigger first or just propose with it first then resize

 

[gem233]

Not sure if this is the correct place to post this but here goes.

Recently, my bf and I ordered a custom cut from JannPaul. Custom cut means they will engage the cutter to cut the diamond according to the specs I want after I pay the deposit. If the diamond turns out to have better specs, I can keep it at no extra charge. If lower specs, I get a full refund.

Anyway, the specs I ordered was minimum 1.30ct, F, VS2, Super Ideal Cut Solitaire. Total cost quoted was $20k including a plain white gold Tiffany style setting.

Just wondering if we were overquoted? Do you think that the price quoted matches the diamond specs?

Experienced people please share with us what you think!

 

[gem233]

Checked fonder diamond Long ago, their ‘SIC’ are a joke. Live chat personnel even more retarded. So yes, I stand by my statement, all their diamonds are below SIC quality and they have the cheeks to tell people their SIC diamonds are the best rounds you can find.

Don’t assume that we judge based on price or branding, most of us here checked way more than you can imagine, I’m sorry if you don’t feel comfortable hearing this terror, but it’s a fact that fonder’s diamonds are more inferior than JP’s SIC.

PS: I don’t even think ‘JP’ is branded, they are just honest.

I checked out Fonder Diamond's website and their Super Ideal Cut HCA rating is a bit less strict than JannPaul. But of course, it is cheaper. Not sure if there is a difference to the naked eye compared to JP since I never went down. At the end of the day, it depends on what the consumer wants.

Their lifetime trade in program quite sh!t also. Have to buy at least DOUBLE the price of your original diamond. Only if strike toto then can trade in bah.

 

[benzene]

Last Sat, i made an appt to go JP with my partner and was served by William.
Beside JP, we also visited Michael Trio and others on other occusions
This William guy really power, he slowly explained everything to us from 230pm till 430pm. In the end we decided on:

SIC
0.54 carat
G
VS1
$4100 + $550 setting

Afterwhich we went Cartier to get our wedding bands....

This morning i received an email from the sales person sending me 4 pictures for the diamond we purchased on Sat. i personally feel their service is really very good. if anyone is keen i can upload the pic. (Actual, Aset, Ideal, Hearts)

 

[terrorblade]

This morning i received an email from the sales person sending me 4 pictures for the diamond we purchased on Sat. i personally feel their service is really very good. if anyone is keen i can upload the pic. (Actual, Aset, Ideal, Hearts)

Of course keen! Upload upload!

 

[beckslim]

Not sure if this is the correct place to post this but here goes.

Recently, my bf and I ordered a custom cut from JannPaul. Custom cut means they will engage the cutter to cut the diamond according to the specs I want after I pay the deposit. If the diamond turns out to have better specs, I can keep it at no extra charge. If lower specs, I get a full refund.

Anyway, the specs I ordered was minimum 1.30ct, F, VS2, Super Ideal Cut Solitaire. Total cost quoted was $20k including a plain white gold Tiffany style setting.

Just wondering if we were overquoted? Do you think that the price quoted matches the diamond specs?

Experienced people please share with us what you think!

Your 1.3ct F VS2 with setting is $20k, so your diamond is around 19k+?

I tried price checking it on bluenile with their sig ideal cuts. They dont have the same specs but a lower color 1.3 G VS2, https://www.bluenile.com/sg/diamond...AMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab
It will cost SGD 18,268 after factoring the gst.

Given that yours is a higher color grade and better cut, 19k+ sounds about right.

 

[benzene]

Of course keen! Upload upload!

 

[MikeLou]

Collected my ring from jp! De diamond very blinding sia ... the whole ring took 5 weeks to make and worth the wait ... i show my fren and he also stunn lol.

this one is they take the video for me after i ask

den this is i take myself .. the video not as sharp but can see the sparkle v clear. the diamond is a 0.62 g vs1 solasfera cut. but i think her ring size i estimated too small ... now i dunno if i should ask them to resize it bigger first or just propose with it first then resize

GX GX! No point to resize now if you dont know her exact size. Just resize it after you propose then bring her along to measure.

 

[gem233]

Your 1.3ct F VS2 with setting is $20k, so your diamond is around 19k+?

I tried price checking it on bluenile with their sig ideal cuts. They dont have the same specs but a lower color 1.3 G VS2, bluenile.com/sg/diamond-details/LD09431681?refTab=DIAMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab
It will cost SGD 18,268 after factoring the gst.

Given that yours is a higher color grade and better cut, 19k+ sounds about right.

Thanks Beckslim!!!

Btw, HWZ like very backwards hor. Never improve their user interface at all. I can't even see the message I'm replying to. *Shakes head*

 

[mardybum]

What do you all think? 4 prongs set on 4 corners or NSEW orientation will be nicer?

 

[terrorblade]

What do you all think? 4 prongs set on 4 corners or NSEW orientation will be nicer?

NSEW nicer!

 

[ThiamWan]

What do you all think? 4 prongs set on 4 corners or NSEW orientation will be nicer?

4 corners will be more traditional for those 4 prongs I feel. NSEW can also be nice. You got pic?

 

[gem233]

NSEW will make the diamond appear rounder. The standard 4 prong will look squarish. Personally prefer NSEW.