Proposal Ring - Part 3

[ppnldd]

hey guys, I visited JannPaul today and I've got to say, the educational workshop was really interesting. Good to have a practical session on top of online research

Unfortunately, I can't really tell the actual sparkle/fire/brilliance difference even for super ideal vs ideal cuts... I got an offer for SGD6.6k, ideal cut, 0.77, VVS2, G - would any experts here be able to guide me if this could pass as a near-super ideal? Images of ASET and H&A scopes attached

Many many thanks in advance, gurus!

 

[jonleelk]

hey guys, I visited JannPaul today and I've got to say, the educational workshop was really interesting. Good to have a practical session on top of online research

Unfortunately, I can't really tell the actual sparkle/fire/brilliance difference even for super ideal vs ideal cuts... I got an offer for SGD6.6k, ideal cut, 0.77, VVS2, G - would any experts here be able to guide me if this could pass as a near-super ideal? Images of ASET and H&A scopes attached

Many many thanks in advance, gurus!

The ideal cut labeling is correct. If u can see the difference between the IC and SIC, then just take the IC and save some $.

JP's IC criteria the ASET must be no light leakage, which is already very good.

 

[mrashford86]

hey guys, I visited JannPaul today and I've got to say, the educational workshop was really interesting. Good to have a practical session on top of online research

Unfortunately, I can't really tell the actual sparkle/fire/brilliance difference even for super ideal vs ideal cuts... I got an offer for SGD6.6k, ideal cut, 0.77, VVS2, G - would any experts here be able to guide me if this could pass as a near-super ideal? Images of ASET and H&A scopes attached

Many many thanks in advance, gurus!

From my observations, some of the arrows are very straight with the arrowheads and 1-2 of the hearts are slightly off symmetry. See if this is acceptable to you.

 

[markthesharktank]

Finally my turn to buy my super ideal diamond! Picked out the 0.72 E VS2. Thank you to all the guruhs in here! Really happy with my buy. The SIC just outshines everything else. I've been to afew places and their diamonds just don't look as good as JPs'. Its firey to the max and you can see how precise the diamond is cut. Love the arrows when I see it in the centre.

Staff was v friendly and not pushy. A shout out to Avary who served me. She replied my emails and whatsapp very promptly even after working hours. Very willing to share and answer all my qns know that I'm very indecisive myself. I highly recommend looking for her.

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[cheesecs]

GIA Cert dated August 2018

Was at Jannpaul recently and the salesman recommended a diamond with a cert that was dated August 2018 (more than a year ago). The back of the diamond's box had quite abit of stickers as well, so I'm not sure if this is a traded in diamond? or if I should have any concerns at all...

There were stickers too with 1 of them stating "RMAA" ?

Looking for expert advise please and many thanks in advance.

If there is any more information required do let me know, am keen to provide more details..

 

[ThiamWan]

Finally my turn to buy my super ideal diamond! Picked out the 0.72 E VS2. Thank you to all the guruhs in here! Really happy with my buy. The SIC just outshines everything else. I've been to afew places and their diamonds just don't look as good as JPs'. Its firey to the max and you can see how precise the diamond is cut. Love the arrows when I see it in the centre.

Staff was v friendly and not pushy. A shout out to Avary who served me. She replied my emails and whatsapp very promptly even after working hours. Very willing to share and answer all my qns know that I'm very indecisive myself. I highly recommend looking for her.

Too excited with my hoot. Share picture first!

How do I post a video? Have a short video of it too.

Congrats! Nice diamond you got there.
You’ll need to upload the video on YouTube then share the link.

 

[ThiamWan]

Was at Jannpaul recently and the salesman recommended a diamond with a cert that was dated August 2018 (more than a year ago). The back of the diamond's box had quite abit of stickers as well, so I'm not sure if this is a traded in diamond? or if I should have any concerns at all...

There were stickers too with 1 of them stating "RMAA" ?

Looking for expert advise please and many thanks in advance.

If there is any more information required do let me know, am keen to provide more details..

1 year is normal. I’ll only be more concern if it’s like 2-3 years.
What stickers? You got a photo of it?

 

[ppnldd]

From my observations, some of the arrows are very straight with the arrowheads and 1-2 of the hearts are slightly off symmetry. See if this is acceptable to you.

I see I see. The sales person told me he himself wasn't able to tell the difference too. I for sure wouldn't be able to appreciate the visual nuances out of scope images :/ I'm just thinking this seems pretty decent, and I could get a higher carat vis-a-vis the SIC at similar price range!

I guess the more important question is, at this price for this quality, is it a steal, or is that expected of a JP IC quality?

 

[ppnldd]

The ideal cut labeling is correct. If u can see the difference between the IC and SIC, then just take the IC and save some $.

JP's IC criteria the ASET must be no light leakage, which is already very good.

I think some flaws seem to be visible, though I can translate these into visual sparkle/fire differences. JP'S IC is actually the same as House of Hung, right? Or am I wrong on this? My impression was one of JP'S key value add is in the additional layer of scrutiny in the selection of diamonds to further segment the Gia triple excellent grade, with ICs possibly passed to House of Hung? Or perhaps they don't share the inventory at all hmm...

Anyway, I would just like to understand if this kind of quality is expected of a JP IC standard, and whether I would need to speed up my process of ring purchase for it! Many months in advance actually

 

[Miltah]

Was at Jannpaul recently and the salesman recommended a diamond with a cert that was dated August 2018 (more than a year ago). The back of the diamond's box had quite abit of stickers as well, so I'm not sure if this is a traded in diamond? or if I should have any concerns at all...

There were stickers too with 1 of them stating "RMAA" ?

Looking for expert advise please and many thanks in advance.

If there is any more information required do let me know, am keen to provide more details..

There’s no such thing as a first hand stone anyway.
Any JP SIC which is traded in after 2 yrs is sent for recertification at your cost.
Even old mine cut stones that are 100yr old, are sometimes recut to modern proportions and resold.

 

[Miltah]

I see I see. The sales person told me he himself wasn't able to tell the difference too. I for sure wouldn't be able to appreciate the visual nuances out of scope images :/ I'm just thinking this seems pretty decent, and I could get a higher carat vis-a-vis the SIC at similar price range!

I guess the more important question is, at this price for this quality, is it a steal, or is that expected of a JP IC quality?

Uneven girdle, some arrows not as symmetrical, uneven separation of hearts, clefts in hearts

But otherwise a very good stone. Differences likely only with scope. If u can’t see the difference then take the IC

 

[1000smiles]

Finally my turn to buy my super ideal diamond! Picked out the 0.72 E VS2. Thank you to all the guruhs in here! Really happy with my buy. The SIC just outshines everything else. I've been to afew places and their diamonds just don't look as good as JPs'. Its firey to the max and you can see how precise the diamond is cut. Love the arrows when I see it in the centre.

Staff was v friendly and not pushy. A shout out to Avary who served me. She replied my emails and whatsapp very promptly even after working hours. Very willing to share and answer all my qns know that I'm very indecisive myself. I highly recommend looking for her.

Too excited with my hoot. Share picture first!

How do I post a video? Have a short video of it too.

Congratzz!! Welcome to the soon-to-be / married club
JP super ideals are the top guns. Have fun waiting for weeks for the ring crafting. I was like bugging them every 2 weeks if mine was ready. lol
Did you choose your design already?

 

[jonleelk]

I see I see. The sales person told me he himself wasn't able to tell the difference too. I for sure wouldn't be able to appreciate the visual nuances out of scope images :/ I'm just thinking this seems pretty decent, and I could get a higher carat vis-a-vis the SIC at similar price range!

I guess the more important question is, at this price for this quality, is it a steal, or is that expected of a JP IC quality?

Uneven girdle, some arrows not as symmetrical, uneven separation of hearts, clefts in hearts

But otherwise a very good stone. Differences likely only with scope. If u can’t see the difference then take the IC

Only SIC stones will be marketed under JP. IC or below will be marketed under HOH. HOH and JP are same same. A bit like Toyota (HOH) and Lexus (JP).

IC will already have no light leakages. Thus if u visually cannot see the difference between IC and SIC, go big or go cheap!

 

[ppnldd]

Only SIC stones will be marketed under JP. IC or below will be marketed under HOH. HOH and JP are same same. A bit like Toyota (HOH) and Lexus (JP).

IC will already have no light leakages. Thus if u visually cannot see the difference between IC and SIC, go big or go cheap!

Many many thanks, Jon!

 

[LindaLiao]

hey guys, I visited JannPaul today and I've got to say, the educational workshop was really interesting. Good to have a practical session on top of online research

Unfortunately, I can't really tell the actual sparkle/fire/brilliance difference even for super ideal vs ideal cuts... I got an offer for SGD6.6k, ideal cut, 0.77, VVS2, G - would any experts here be able to guide me if this could pass as a near-super ideal? Images of ASET and H&A scopes attached

Many many thanks in advance, gurus!

Hmmm.. Dun mind I share my thoughts on this as well...

Super ideal will be an obvious choice for me. I have had purchased an Ideal cut before and changed to a Super ideal and had no regrets ever since.
My thought process was I wouldn't be purchasing a diamond ring frequently. Knowing that there are better cut diamonds out there by JP, I can't bring myself to get anything lesser. This is going to be a one time purchase which I will wear for the rest of my life. The choice was simple because I could tell the difference. The hubby could tell too... more so when we are looking at the scopes which help us understand and realize that why some diamonds sparkle and some dont and also why some just doesn't look right no matter how we see it.. being able to understand what we are looking better with the help of the scopes.

I could see a pretty obvious difference in the Ideals and Super ideals and it was more obvious when they compared it outside the shop.. maybe cause I'm a girl and more picky?? Anyway, this is just my 2 cents as a girl. I feel this is a once in a lifetime thing and should go something more worth and perfect.

 

[LindaLiao]

FYI. My old post when I changed rings.

Here is the pics of my old and new ring

 

[markthesharktank]

Congrats! Nice diamond you got there.
You’ll need to upload the video on YouTube then share the link.

Thanks! I finally figured out how to do it.
These are some videos I took of my diamond =) The precision and fire is amazing. I kept replaying the video and almost got caught by my gf. haha
Its so hard to keep this a secret. If only I can just propose with the loose diamond first ^^

 

[ppnldd]

FYI. My old post when I changed rings.

That's a lovely ring! Wow yours really has a big difference huh. Is the IC also from JP or from another retailer?

I get what you mean... It's just that (i) going for SIC will mean that I have to sacrifice about 0.1 carat; (ii) this seems like still a really good stone - yes, it's not as perfect as SIC, but it feels like it's really close enough.

I'm gonna go down again and take another look. See whether I can see anything different haha.. They said SICs are now low in stock though!

 

[ppnldd]

Uneven girdle, some arrows not as symmetrical, uneven separation of hearts, clefts in hearts

But otherwise a very good stone. Differences likely only with scope. If u can’t see the difference then take the IC

Thanks for the sharp analysis! I was trying to rotate it for a good 10mins with different angles different lightings. Still couldn't tell. Will drop by again to test my eyes!

 

[Miltah]

Thanks for the sharp analysis! I was trying to rotate it for a good 10mins with different angles different lightings. Still couldn't tell. Will drop by again to test my eyes!

Pple buy SIC for different reasons, wanting the best, being mind clean or sometimes paying top premium for high clarity like internally flawless (which u can’t see)

I beg to differ from @Lindaliao’s view. I brought JPs SIC to a chain store and frankly it looked worse than the store ones under the same lighting purely cos it was not cleaned. Qs is was the ring cleaned before taking the photo? Where are the scope images for the previous stone?

While JPs SIC standards have remained the same, over the years the quality of the IC have actually gone up.

If the ASET is the best gauge of a stones light performance then here are 6 stones. But only 3 are JP SIC

The variations are there with IC so it’s up to u whether u want to take the time to find the best IC.
Using @jonleelk example, some pple might want a Porsche 911 GTS but a Porsche 718 Cayman is still pretty good (especially when one can’t tell the difference)