Proposal Ring - Part 3

[Miltah]

interesting post, thanks for sharing

is the yellow tint the reason why i can see yellow when F and G stones are placed in front of a white background in the JP store?

Partly yes. Coloration increases as u go down the alphabets.
But coloration n hue are different. JP eliminates hues as well. GIAs grading only accounts for color but not hue

 

[beckslim]

By JP SIC standards, 2 and 6 is out. It's not SIC.
5 is questionable.. but cant see the full picture.
1, 3 and 4 are SICs unless there is more info from the cropped out images.

I think ppl are misunderstanding the purpose of the Aset.
What you see as a straight line or example, bezel leakages, even if it's slightly larger than other areas, when you tilt your diamond, do you think that straight line gap will remain the same width?
At different angles when viewing your actual diamond, these so called small leakage areas or lines, will expand the more you tilt your diamond. Similarly, other issues like symmetrical errors, uneven girdles (painting/digging) are all amplified and is much more amplified the more you tilt the diamond. When you use the Aset, small problems looks like its small because it's only on face up view like the pictures we see. But it will all be magnified at tilts or when moving your ring.

Have to agree and disagree on some of your points.

I'm an old schoolmate and customer of JP (through casey) but I did speak with Paul a long time ago, he's the one who is the most technical amongst the JP partners.
I hope I’m not doing them any wrong by stating so but as of what I remember when we did speak.

"There’s no perfect angles or number,"
True and not true. Diamonds are evaluated under mainly 2 lighting sources, one that you can see your diamond white with contrasts, the other that you can see fire and scintillation.
Eg. A higher crown would have a better performance under a spotlight, but suffer with contrast/leakage under white lights.
The true is also for the reverse. A lower crown will have better performance under white light but suffers under spotlight. The question is, how to find the balance of both? (via proportions, or what we all use is the HCA).

Definition of SIC
This I agree with you, James Allen and many other brands anyhow label.. even VG cuts/ obviously bad cuts or whatever as Super ideals. It's just how strict they are. Out of all, JP's standards are definitely one of the highest if not the highest, which is why everyone recommends them.

What defines JP's SIC?
This we probably will never know exactly, but what I can share (I hope this is not confidential, and if so I will remove my post if it is). As conversed with paul before, they consider in their SIC standards:
> HCA
> Color - they dont take lower end spectrum of any color, e.g: F- G- etc. only the higher end spectrum. They also don’t accept any other hue other than yellow.
> Clarity- most of you should know I guess, if you went for their education course.
> Scope analysis - light return/ facet alignment or aka symmetry needs to be top notch. Those spikes you see around the corners, degree of painting digging etc. lower girdle facets in relation to stars lengths must be considered (bezel leakage would be considered here also)
Fluorescence none- they don’t take any risk at all for this and there were much more that I don’t remember, and if I do I’m not sure if it is confidential.

What makes a JP's Ideal cut?
This we all do not know, or rather, I dont. But we do know there are definitely symmetrical errors etc etc. Are all those other factors applied above in their SIC here? I’m not sure. JP's ideal though, is still very high in standard no doubt.

"You best gauges are scopes"
Yes and no. If small misalignments on the arrows/girdles/hotspots(stars) inner hotspots all keep adding up, it would definitely impact a diamond's beauty for sure. Consider again diamonds are not seen just in a white light, but in a spot light.
Here’s the problem, that the experts in Pricescope agrees as well. Scope photos are all analyzed purely face up. Small misalignments may look "unimportant" in face up value in scopes. But in actuality, and I think we fail to see the whole point of this:

That are our diamond rings only seen from face up? Parallel eye down to the diamond? Do we stare are it permanently just like that? When showing off a diamond ring we don’t say, hey look at my diamond only from face up, obviously.
And these slight misalignments, how much do you think it would affect
1. The diamond performance under 2 lighting environments
2. When the diamond is tilted, which it will, how much bezel leakage is seen from that tilt due to misalignments? Would the middle area start leaking light at different areas like the corners under the table? Why do my girdles not look as bright? (overly painted ->refer to JP's newest video on utube)

For this reason, you must ultimately ask yourself if you want the best of the best, or potentially problems that you or your wife may see underperforming as time goes by. When you start noticing why does this not look bright from this angle? etc. That’s the real question imo when considering JP SIC vs JP Ideal. (everyone is different in terms of whether you can notice these differences or not irl and not just scopes alone. Not all our eyes are as sharp or our ages differ affecting our sight. One's diamond ring is not only for you and hers to see but others as well).

I have to agree on 1000smiles on this. My first ring was an Ideal cut from JP. I got my wife a 2nd diamond from JP (SIC) and traded in the gold and got a custom earring done on the Ideal cut. Till today, my wife adores her SIC much more than the Ideal even though they are the same specs. I'm not a pro at ASET but it naturally makes sense, small issues on the ASET flat image would be amplified on the real thing. I'm a 3d architect modeller, imagine a 3 dimensional diamond model, if a crack or hole on a top view flat surface is present, now imagine rotating it to the side. On the slope areas that ''hole'' would obviously look much bigger than the top view.

Ultimately, why I agree to go for the best based on my experience is,
- She deserves it
- What I think is tolerable for me, may not be tolerable for her
- Me, my wife and her colleagues can all tell the difference except our 2 young kids
- One thing's for sure, we started noticing more differences between the SIC and Ideal when we move from place to place (different lighting)

Ayia, just get something and make sure you dont regret it. Its once in a lifetime anyways.

 

[hithere1]

Ultimately, why I agree to go for the best based on my experience is,
- She deserves it
- What I think is tolerable for me, may not be tolerable for her
- Me, my wife and her colleagues can all tell the difference except our 2 young kids
- One thing's for sure, we started noticing more differences between the SIC and Ideal when we move from place to place (different lighting)

Ayia, just get something and make sure you dont regret it. Its once in a lifetime anyways.

this sums up why I go for SIC as well

 

[hithere1]

Scope images are in and I am super excited, cannot wait to see it in person.

Reaching out to the experts here to seek your kind opinion. Appreciate and thank you!

0.82
G
VS2

HCA Score 0.7

https://imgur.com/a/sgv5edb

 

[ThiamWan]

Scope images are in and I am super excited, cannot wait to see it in person.

Reaching out to the experts here to seek your kind opinion. Appreciate and thank you!

0.82
G
VS2

HCA Score 0.7

https://imgur.com/a/sgv5edb

ASET and Hearts looks great! You hooted this?

 

[MyWiFy]

I have to agree on 1000smiles on this. My first ring was an Ideal cut from JP. I got my wife a 2nd diamond from JP (SIC) and traded in the gold and got a custom earring done on the Ideal cut. Till today, my wife adores her SIC much more than the Ideal even though they are the same specs. I'm not a pro at ASET but it naturally makes sense, small issues on the ASET flat image would be amplified on the real thing. I'm a 3d architect modeller, imagine a 3 dimensional diamond model, if a crack or hole on a top view flat surface is present, now imagine rotating it to the side. On the slope areas that ''hole'' would obviously look much bigger than the top view.

Ultimately, why I agree to go for the best based on my experience is,
- She deserves it
- What I think is tolerable for me, may not be tolerable for her
- Me, my wife and her colleagues can all tell the difference except our 2 young kids
- One thing's for sure, we started noticing more differences between the SIC and Ideal when we move from place to place (different lighting)

Ayia, just get something and make sure you dont regret it. Its once in a lifetime anyways.

Definitely because she is worth it. Also it’s very true that JP sic vs ideal is much more noticeable more time you look at it. I didn’t notice but my girl and her friends at the shop all pointed out JP sic is brighter under that light machine box. Girls do have a better eye for these things than men.

 

[hithere1]

ASET and Hearts looks great! You hooted this?

Not yet, but I have reserved it

I'm still reading back in the thread to learn from all the previous inputs

But so far, everything looks positive!

 

[mingingerrday]

Go for the best. Jp Octagon Super ideal! But seriously tho I love it cause it’s light performance is freaking awesome and set in north orientation with simple 4 prong like this:

 

[jonleelk]

I have to agree on 1000smiles on this. My first ring was an Ideal cut from JP. I got my wife a 2nd diamond from JP (SIC) and traded in the gold and got a custom earring done on the Ideal cut. Till today, my wife adores her SIC much more than the Ideal even though they are the same specs. I'm not a pro at ASET but it naturally makes sense, small issues on the ASET flat image would be amplified on the real thing. I'm a 3d architect modeller, imagine a 3 dimensional diamond model, if a crack or hole on a top view flat surface is present, now imagine rotating it to the side. On the slope areas that ''hole'' would obviously look much bigger than the top view.

Ultimately, why I agree to go for the best based on my experience is,
- She deserves it
- What I think is tolerable for me, may not be tolerable for her
- Me, my wife and her colleagues can all tell the difference except our 2 young kids
- One thing's for sure, we started noticing more differences between the SIC and Ideal when we move from place to place (different lighting)

Ayia, just get something and make sure you dont regret it. Its once in a lifetime anyways.

In simple words, the SIC more bling, correct?

 

[jonleelk]

Definitely because she is worth it. Also it’s very true that JP sic vs ideal is much more noticeable more time you look at it. I didn’t notice but my girl and her friends at the shop all pointed out JP sic is brighter under that light machine box. Girls do have a better eye for these things than men.

HoH ideal cut does not have light leakages ... Those with light leakages they will just market as triple ex.

Difference of SIC and IC is just the cuttings ... SIC more fire and brilliance ... or in layman words more bling!

 

[Miltah]

In simple words, the SIC more bling, correct?

When u compared your stone.. was it any less bling?
If u were blinded in a test, could u pick it?

 

[jonleelk]

When u compared your stone.. was it any less bling?
If u were blinded in a test, could u pick it?

Mine had SIC dimensions (according to JP), just that it was out of JP’s clarity range. For exactly the same size, only a triple ex was available for comparison.

Of course mine was more bling!

 

[Miltah]

Mine had SIC dimensions (according to JP), just that it was out of JP’s clarity range. For exactly the same size, only a triple ex was available for comparison.

Of course mine was more bling!

Not a very good example then but would have been great if u compared it to a SIC
Which is precisely my point. Cut determines bling. Not color or clarity ( to a certain extent)

 

[freewilly5000]

Go for the best. Jp Octagon Super ideal! But seriously tho I love it cause it’s light performance is freaking awesome and set in north orientation with simple 4 prong like this:

JP Octagon is even better than the SIC. When you compare the Octagon with the SIC, its actually higher performing.

There is more interest settings you can do with the octagon too. Something like this.

This is mine

 

[ahjunlah]

JP Octagon is even better than the SIC. When you compare the Octagon with the SIC, its actually higher performing.

There is more interest settings you can do with the octagon too. Something like this.

This is mine

Mind sharing the price?

 

[basicbrenda]

Dropped by JP today. Compared HOH Ideal versus JP SIC amongst us 4 friends.
Was attended by Gene. Fantastic guy. I highly recommend him (pony tail guy).He let us compare the diamonds outside the shop and even allowed us to bring out the diamonds to the next door Hilton hotel. lol. We walked over to Hilton and spent about 30 mins there.... hanged around for abit.

All 4 of us swapped the diamonds around. We all picked the SIC and got it right compared to the other Ideals without knowing which is which. Big recommendations to Gene. He is very accommodating.
I dun think anyone will allow us to talk out so far with several diamonds

 

[freewilly5000]

Mind sharing the price?

It was all in about 6k with the setting. The Octagon is a 0.61 carat and 88 facets. When the sun shines on the diamond it becomes a disco ball

 

[ahjunlah]

It was all in about 6k with the setting. The Octagon is a 0.61 carat and 88 facets. When the sun shines on the diamond it becomes a disco ball

Thank you!

 

[KinoChoco]

I have been following this thread and just reserved my diamond last week! Anyone of the members here have gotten JP to customise their wedding bands too? I heard they offer a discount if you have customise your engagement ring with them. Can anyone verify?

I’ll say you probably have more leeway to try to request for a discount since you’ve purchased the proposal ring there, but then, no guarantee.

 

[ahjunlah]

HOH and JP under same shop now? Walked pass and saw that JP is new shop at the other end renovating?