Proposal Ring - Part 4

[Mytd88]

Hi, can I just check if JP does lab grown for certain cuts only or any cut also can?
Also, any idea if they have ready avail stock? or we have to order then they make? (thinking of doing a 0.6-0.7ct lab grown decagon)

Hello, as what I understand, you can do any cut
there is no available stocks for lab because the process will take around 2 to 3 months for it to be made in the lab

Go check it out!!!

 

[harrychengboy]

Is a trilogy proposal ring design common? I'm thinking of adding a small side stone on each side of the main diamond. I don't see much people going for this design and haven't seen any of my friends wearing trilogy rings. Is there any pros and cons? Thinking of something like this.

 

[Son-Y-noS]

Is a trilogy proposal ring design common? I'm thinking of adding a small side stone on each side of the main diamond. I don't see much people going for this design and haven't seen any of my friends wearing trilogy rings. Is there any pros and cons? Thinking of something like this.

Trilogy isn't the conventional type of rings but it does look nice. As long as your gf likes it then can liao. And this one is more of a subtle type of trilogy.. not the ones where the side stones are very big like in your face kind. So this is still very tastefully done up. The only con I can imagine is if the ring so too complex. But that also depends on her preference.

 

[ludicurious]

Gia : 2384696082

Hi all can anyone kindly advise on this diamond in the gia report

Thanks in advance!

 

[ludicurious]

Gia : 2384696082

Hi all can anyone kindly advise on this diamond in the gia report

Thanks in advance!

Hi all would really appreciate your help thank you.

I search online and found that they are using HCA as a guide whereby we can key in the stats and know if diamond would sparkle.

 

[arishize]

Spec for lab growth
-1-1.09 CARAT- up $4.2k
- E OR F color
-vs1 or vs2
-AGS cert
-super ideal cut
- 10h10a

Paid for the desposit and we are waiting for to see our lab growth

So their lab grown diamonds are also available in the R10 white series with 111 facets?

 

[chrisleenoodle]

Hi all would really appreciate your help thank you.

I search online and found that they are using HCA as a guide whereby we can key in the stats and know if diamond would sparkle.

Gia : 2384696082

Hi all can anyone kindly advise on this diamond in the gia report

Thanks in advance!

Yea, the HCA is only the basic guide to check the proportions but is only the first filter you should use. It's a useful guide but not 100% reliable. It has many limitations on it and alot of other bros here said, you need to use it with the ASET and Hearts/Arrows scope too. If not it'll just mislead you to end up buying a bad diamond.

From what I see on your GIA cert:

1. It's a 60/60 diamond. Your table is 60 and depth is 59.9. 60 Table is wider than the recommended range and when combined with a shallow depth close to 60, it can end up as a bad combo. Garry Holloway (the creator of HCA) advises to be cautious abt it too.
https://www.hollowaydiamonds.com.au/60-depth-and-60-table/
2. The crown is on the shallow side at 32.5. The recommended is minimum 33. Too shallow crowns will have less fire = less sparkles.

3. The start length is 45% which is very small (HCA does not account for star length). I wouldn't go for anything less than 50% star length. The smaller the star length = smaller fire/sparkle
https://www.prosumerdiamonds.com/star-facet/
4. Your clarity is a VS2 and the only inclusion is a feather. Feather is a ''crack'' in a diamond. It's ok as long as its not visible and internal. But VS1-VS2 clarity grades with feathers are notorious for being on the girdles / surface. So I would double check to ensure that the feather is not exposed.. the diamond can get chipped if that's the case.

I'm not a fan of this piece as there are some inherent concerns which won't show on the HCA.

You can read:
https://www.jannpaul.com/content/holloway-cut-advisor-calculator-tool
HCA limitations
- The HCA tool ignores a diamond’s optical symmetry.
- It only takes into accounts 17 out of a diamonds 57 facets. Thus, it only measures 30% of a diamond’s facets!
- The 17 facets that it uses are only average values obtained from the certificate usually.
- It does not take into account extreme angles where it favors shallow angles diamonds.
- It does not detect painted or dugged-out girdles
- The HCA tool is only a prediction tool and it does not provide a live analysis of the actual diamond.
- A diamond with a low HCA score does not guarantee a high performing diamond.

 

[ludicurious]

Yea, the HCA is only the basic guide to check the proportions but is only the first filter you should use. It's a useful guide but not 100% reliable. It has many limitations on it and alot of other bros here said, you need to use it with the ASET and Hearts/Arrows scope too. If not it'll just mislead you to end up buying a bad diamond.

From what I see on your GIA cert:

1. It's a 60/60 diamond. Your table is 60 and depth is 59.9. 60 Table is wider than the recommended range and when combined with a shallow depth close to 60, it can end up as a bad combo. Garry Holloway (the creator of HCA) advises to be cautious abt it too.
https://www.hollowaydiamonds.com.au/60-depth-and-60-table/
2. The crown is on the shallow side at 32.5. The recommended is minimum 33. Too shallow crowns will have less fire = less sparkles.

3. The start length is 45% which is very small (HCA does not account for star length). I wouldn't go for anything less than 50% star length. The smaller the star length = smaller fire/sparkle
https://www.prosumerdiamonds.com/star-facet/
4. Your clarity is a VS2 and the only inclusion is a feather. Feather is a ''crack'' in a diamond. It's ok as long as its not visible and internal. But VS1-VS2 clarity grades with feathers are notorious for being on the girdles / surface. So I would double check to ensure that the feather is not exposed.. the diamond can get chipped if that's the case.

I'm not a fan of this piece as there are some inherent concerns which won't show on the HCA.

You can read:
https://www.jannpaul.com/content/holloway-cut-advisor-calculator-tool
HCA limitations
- The HCA tool ignores a diamond’s optical symmetry.
- It only takes into accounts 17 out of a diamonds 57 facets. Thus, it only measures 30% of a diamond’s facets!
- The 17 facets that it uses are only average values obtained from the certificate usually.
- It does not take into account extreme angles where it favors shallow angles diamonds.
- It does not detect painted or dugged-out girdles
- The HCA tool is only a prediction tool and it does not provide a live analysis of the actual diamond.
- A diamond with a low HCA score does not guarantee a high performing diamond.

Thank you but i already put down payment le so i tink will see how it performs when it comes

 

[chrisleenoodle]

Thank you but i already put down payment le so i tink will see how it performs when it comes

Oh ok. Sorry I didnt know you confirmed it already. If buy already then don't need to think too much about it. I'm not saying its a bad stone, just that it could have been better cos I saw it was a D color and a optimized cut will bring out the D color more. And I'm sure yours would still look great like a diamond. Everything is relative.

But I'll just be careful of that feather inclusion to check its on exposed to the surface. She would have to wear the ring carefully if that's the case to avoid knocking the inclusion.

 

[ludicurious]

Oh ok. Sorry I didnt know you confirmed it already. If buy already then don't need to think too much about it. I'm not saying its a bad stone, just that it could have been better cos I saw it was a D color and a optimized cut will bring out the D color more. And I'm sure yours would still look great like a diamond. Everything is relative.

But I'll just be careful of that feather inclusion to check its on exposed to the surface. She would have to wear the ring carefully if that's the case to avoid knocking the inclusion.

Hey no worries buttie, haha tbh im a noob in this because i didnt happen to chance upon this chat before i bought haha.

I saw the feather in the video they provided the feather is in the diamond itself so i tink wouldn't affect surface bah. But nevertheless thank you so much for the analysis haha. Maybe because most of the website focus on the 4c hence i missed out the table and crown thou.

 

[ludicurious]

Oh ok. Sorry I didnt know you confirmed it already. If buy already then don't need to think too much about it. I'm not saying its a bad stone, just that it could have been better cos I saw it was a D color and a optimized cut will bring out the D color more. And I'm sure yours would still look great like a diamond. Everything is relative.

But I'll just be careful of that feather inclusion to check its on exposed to the surface. She would have to wear the ring carefully if that's the case to avoid knocking the inclusion.

Anyway bro how about this stone? Care to share for this case wise? Thank you

ROUND BRILLIANT
Measurements
6.48 - 6.52 x 3.96 mm
Carat Weight
1.01 carat
Color Grade
E
Clarity Grade
VVS2
Cut Grade
Excellent
PROPORTIONS
Depth
60.8%
Table
59%
Crown Angle
32.5°
Crown Height
13.5%
Pavilion Angle
41.8°
Pavilion Depth
44.5%
Star Length
45%
Lower Half
80%
Girdle
Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted, 3.0%
Culet
None

FINISH
Polish
Excellent
Symmetry
Excellent
FLUORESCENCE
Fluorescence
None
CLARITY CHARACTERISTICS
Clarity Characteristics
Pinpoint

 

[grooling]

Hi all seniors,

Noticed that there isnt much talk about Michael Trio, but went there on a friend's recommendation.

told the staff that my budget is $5-6k and recommended a natural diamond with these stats:

didnt write it down, so based on memory

0.8c
colour F-D
Fluroscence medium to none
Clarity VS2 onwards

total cost + setting around $7000,

I am planning to go JP as well with this budget in mind, may I know what diamond spec can I expect with this budget? TIA!

 

[1000smiles]

Hi all seniors,

Noticed that there isnt much talk about Michael Trio, but went there on a friend's recommendation.

told the staff that my budget is $5-6k and recommended a natural diamond with these stats:

didnt write it down, so based on memory

0.8c
colour F-D
Fluroscence medium to none
Clarity VS2 onwards

total cost + setting around $7000,

I am planning to go JP as well with this budget in mind, may I know what diamond spec can I expect with this budget? TIA!

Micheal trio is a drop shipper. It’s like the same as buying from blue nile, james Allen, etc. They don’t carry inventory and sell their diamonds from the floating market. So you might see that same Diamond being sold at other places. Needless to say, the quality is not as good (which is why the end up in the floating market in the first place). And I wouldn’t suggest a Diamond with fluorescence when you pick a good color.
I think you can try research more online or go for a crash course diamond edu session at JP. Then from there, you’ll have a better idea on where to start.

 

[chrisleenoodle]

Anyway bro how about this stone? Care to share for this case wise? Thank you

ROUND BRILLIANT
Measurements
6.48 - 6.52 x 3.96 mm
Carat Weight
1.01 carat
Color Grade
E
Clarity Grade
VVS2
Cut Grade
Excellent
PROPORTIONS
Depth
60.8%
Table
59%
Crown Angle
32.5°
Crown Height
13.5%
Pavilion Angle
41.8°
Pavilion Depth
44.5%
Star Length
45%
Lower Half
80%
Girdle
Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted, 3.0%
Culet
None

FINISH
Polish
Excellent
Symmetry
Excellent
FLUORESCENCE
Fluorescence
None
CLARITY CHARACTERISTICS
Clarity Characteristics
Pinpoint

This one's proportions is much worse than the previous one. It's like a super bottom heavy diamond with the pavilion extremely steep at 41.8 degrees. I think this is one of the most extreme ones I see for an ''Excellent'' cut grade diamond where its pushing at the borderline. And combined with a shallow crown, this diamond is not gonna perform. The HCA is already 5.1. And this has a very small star length of 45% too.

 

[ludicurious]

This one's proportions is much worse than the previous one. It's like a super bottom heavy diamond with the pavilion extremely steep at 41.8 degrees. I think this is one of the most extreme ones I see for an ''Excellent'' cut grade diamond where its pushing at the borderline. And combined with a shallow crown, this diamond is not gonna perform. The HCA is already 5.1. And this has a very small star length of 45% too.

Wah bro so jialat ah. No wonder the carat so big basically they is aim big carat but wont perform.

 

[charlesdygreat]

So their lab grown diamonds are also available in the R10 white series with 111 facets?

I saw they have it in all their other cuts too. Like the R10, decagon, ovals, etc.

 

[louisho]

gotten a photo of my ASET scope and report. any comments on the decagon will be much appreciated! thanks!

seems to have a feather on the girdle from the report, not sure if this would be an issue

 

[mingingerrday]

gotten a photo of my ASET scope and report. any comments on the decagon will be much appreciated! thanks!

seems to have a feather on the girdle from the report, not sure if this would be an issue

Nice Decagon! I don't see the feather cutting across the girdle on the diagram so it should be ok. If cuts across, it will show on the front and back of the diagram. Yours is also a high clarity VVS2. VVS clarities shouldn't have structural issues. It's mainly the VS1-VS2 you need to be worried about.

Plus I rem JP filters those type of feathers out anyway. They have a list of things that they avoid for their diamonds. Screengrabbed this from their Deca video.



They got say ''No feathers, chips, or cracks that may cause durability issues''.

 

[jack112]

Hi guys.

Is this diamond good? Seek some experts here to help.

 

[cargelim]

Hi all,
Can help me see if this diamond is good? I not sure what to look out for.

shape and style: decagon brilliant
Measurements: 6.12 x 5.83 x 3.79 mm
Cut grade : AGS Ideal 0
Light performance: AGS Ideal 0
Polish: AGS Ideal 0
Symmetry: AGS Ideal 0
Color: E
Clarity: VVS1
Carat weight: 0.852
PROPORTIONS
Depth: 65%
Table: 54.2%
Crown Angle: 35.1 degrees
Crown Height: 16.6%
Pavilion Angle: 40.6 degree
Pavilion Depth: 44.8%
Girdle: Medium to VeryThick