[Rant] Windows 10 update

[cscs3]

1903 no longer forces you to update I think... Can adjust settings

That is correct.

 

[Kiwi8]

I'll usually backup current ver system image to an ext hdd then update...so anything wrong, I simply restore the backup without any fuss.

In fact, what I do now, on important systems, is to instil an auto-backup of the boot partition once every day (and keeping the images of three days). I use the free software EaseUS Todo Backup.

 

[Mystyque]

Linux is garbage for home use.

Spoken as a home Linux user of 13 years.

I'd to agree and disagree. It really depends on what kind of home user. For people who just use their mainstream PC with common/entry level hardware mainly to surf web, maybe edit some docs now and then, some of the modern distros are pretty OK.

But it is a PITA if you want to do anything beyond that.

That said, every couple of years I give Linux desktop a chance to replace Windows as my primary non-server/work OS. This year is the only time it has stayed on my PC for longer than a few weeks. So it is improving, although very slowly.

 

[TerryPower]

i still on windows 7
want to buy new pc but scared because all the complains

ot a bit, intel 6th gen is the last to have win 7 compatibility? sls still can buy 6th gen?

 

[Koenig168]

i still on windows 7
want to buy new pc but scared because all the complains

ot a bit, intel 6th gen is the last to have win 7 compatibility? sls still can buy 6th gen?

No point buying 6th gen now when you have Ryzen 3000, unless you can get it cheap used.

 

[blackie83]

Don't understand why someone can don't turn off the PC/laptop and hibernate all the way.

Use a mac ba. when you shutdown. the apps is auto open back where you left it.

 

[Mystyque]

Don't understand why someone can don't turn off the PC/laptop and hibernate all the way.

Don't understand why need to turn off the pc/laptop when standby/sleep/hibernate is more convenient.

Use a mac ba. when you shutdown. the apps is auto open back where you left it.

Maybe it's just simply that on Mac it's called shutdown, on PC it's called hibernate.

 

[LiLAsN]

Exactly. Why would anyone use Shutdown when Hibernate is much more convenient?

There is no reason to Shut down the PC when you didn't install any new drivers or have a Windows update.

Hibernate, unlike Sleep does not cause any errors when you launch games and anything else. It's the best version of the 2. I've been using Hibernate for more than 5 years now. Stable and great.

Now on to my annoyance on being forced to upgrade to Windows 10 latest version. Why the heck is Hibernate not working when I press the Power button?
I've already tried changing the power button to do nothing and back to Hibernate. But it still shuts down the PC instead of Hibernating.


Edit: Talked to a Windows 10 tech support. Confirmed that it is indeed a bug with the build itself that caused the Power Button to not do what you commanded it to do. In this case, letting it Hibernate when you press the power button. Plus, using Hibernate manually failed to return after sleeping from Hibernation as well on the latest 1903 build. Reverted back to my old 1803 build and turned off updates for 35 days along with deleting the 1903 update which was again auto downloading in the background.

 

[cybertech]

For those using Windows 10 VPN (built-in), the VPN connection using the tray icon no longer bring up the Username and Password dialog box after update to Build 1903. It will show "Connecting" but will never get connected. No solution yet, has to use some of the workaround instead.

 

[Mystyque]

Exactly. Why would anyone use Shutdown when Hibernate is much more convenient?

There is no reason to Shut down the PC when you didn't install any new drivers or have a Windows update.

Especially now with affordable SSD, the time to return from hibernate is really snappy.

 

[Meteor84]

all the weird people nowdays. why do people hate windows but continue using windows

1803 is already over 1 year old. 1809 data loss was already fix a year ago. you can even download windows 10 1903 direct without needing to patch all the way upwards

microsoft forces updates so that they can perform bug fixes and patch security loopholes. i am pretty sure you guys are the same batch of people kpkb about how lousy windows is when your system gets compromised.

spectre and meltdown prevention performance penalty is improved on patch 1903. so you get more performance from your CPU. why so much hate when the problem is between keyboard and the chair?

 

[LiLAsN]

As a 'weird' person, I am up to date and aware of the changes that has happened to Microsoft where the senior employees were sacked and replaced with the new ones.

The senior ways meant even the oldest OS, Windows XP at least had years and years of support. So no matter, if you are on Windows Vista, 7 or 8, you'll still be supported. This one, 1803 only 1 year old already want to drop update you call acceptable? If they weren't so forceful and downright annoying to force the old Windows users to upgrade, I doubt they'd want Windows 10 to begin with. But do the users have a choice? It's either you upgrade or risk all sorts of intrusions. Whereas, the old guards have no problem patching your super old OS to make sure you are just as safe as a latest OS user.

Over the years, the new employees ones has shown nothing but their inability to push out stable updates. Every single increment, as someone has pointed out, always had some sort of problem and what makes matters worst, they delete your entire System Restore points every time they release a new version of Windows. Meaning, even if you go back to the old Windows version, whatever damage done to the settings cannot be restored with the Restore Points. (I didn't realize some people love to spend time troubleshooting and manually fixing their settings back in the 1-4 or so hours they have left after work instead of doing what they intended to do on the PC to begin with.)

I am more amazed at how when it doesn't concern them, they brush off others problems as nothing but noise. It's a forum. It's meant for discussions. Not brush off the people completely. Come here and help give solution. But instead, what value did you add to this conversation?

This is not a game. This is a platform for work, studies, important tasks, videos and more. And if you accept BUGGY updates as acceptable like how you can accept your buggy games, then you are the problem. Because you allow them to release buggy updates one after another.

At least I've reported the bug that I've found to Windows. So they can fix it instead of just ignoring and not getting the problem fixed that affects other people and not just me.

 

[ronnie_gogs]

Well they did offer their opinion on forum regarding the exact topic people were discussing on, which is on the topic. Your issue can be bugs or unstable updates. I consider security as a bigger issue than bugs. Its a discussion forum which is exactly what everyone is doing. Offering opinion on Rant thread. At 4 threads repeating solutions like backup is redundant.

 

[hlots123]

As a 'weird' person, I am up to date and aware of the changes that has happened to Microsoft where the senior employees were sacked and replaced with the new ones.

cfm is ms not ibm...?

 

[Mystyque]

microsoft forces updates so that they can perform bug fixes and patch security loopholes. i am pretty sure you guys are the same batch of people kpkb about how lousy windows is when your system gets compromised.

This argument is only valid if Microsoft's only customers are non-IT savvy folks. For those of us who know a bit more what we are doing, it's removing the choice from us and often for the worst.

It's just like anti-virus programs. The people who are most likely to get virus infected and would likely KPKB about it, are those who have anti-virus programs running. Those of us who know well enough not to install anti-virus are usually also sensible enough not to get infected in the first place and reasonable enough not to bitch at other people if our choice get us infected.

 

[wolnavi]

all the weird people nowdays. why do people hate windows but continue using windows

Sometimes it's not by choice, some are required by their company to use Windows... As for me, I had to use Windows due to my school stating it as a requirement...

1803 is already over 1 year old. 1809 data loss was already fix a year ago. you can even download windows 10 1903 direct without needing to patch all the way upwards

microsoft forces updates so that they can perform bug fixes and patch security loopholes. i am pretty sure you guys are the same batch of people kpkb about how lousy windows is when your system gets compromised.

I don't know about the rest but my reason on that day i made this rant was my submission deadline, if somehow something managed to f up and all my project data is gone, would bugs or security loopholes still matter? I know i should backup but still, restoring from backup needs time right? And as the old saying goes, if it ain't broke then don't fix/touch it

spectre and meltdown prevention performance penalty is improved on patch 1903. so you get more performance from your CPU. why so much hate when the problem is between keyboard and the chair?

My hate is on the fact that i was forced this way to update, my original plan is to update it after all my projects are done because i don't need to worry about data loss as all the projects are done, not force update

 

[wolnavi]

There are direct solutions to your problem:

What if update results in data loss: If you are worried, backup first.
Hibernate: Less relevant with SSD.

You seem to have update phobia.

I choose to hibernate because it's on a laptop which i read that it supposedly saves more battery compared to sleep

I don't have update phobia but data loss phobia, i know i contradict my self, i don't backup when i have data loss phobia lol

Don't understand why someone can don't turn off the PC/laptop and hibernate all the way.

Use a mac ba. when you shutdown. the apps is auto open back where you left it.

because when i return from hibernate in Windows 10 i can just continue from where i left off like how chrome's "continue from where you left off feature" but on a OS level

unlike shutdown where i have to reopen everything back (in Windows 10)
i'm lazy lol

 

[Soul77]

Hibernate if youre on ssd and have big ram, it'll kill your ssd faster. Just to note.

 

[jas1701]

For backup is best to just copy and paste method. If use those backup software, it might backup into a file which you need to use the same software to restore. If you got long file name, the normal copy and paste method will not work. It will prompt error once it hit that file.

Use Robocopy which is free. Fast and easy method.

 

[Alphas]

Now windows 10 force you to use PIN instead of password, cannot disable it?