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What's the point of writing wall of text?
Why can't you just get straight to the point which it will be more efficient for all parties?

No point arguing whether it works or not. If one believes it, buy then.
Nv enjoyed working with ppl who like to beat around the bush.
 

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"Trust me, I'm an engineer"

Shopping tip: To see whether a product is overpriced, see if other products from the same brand are overpriced.

Entrepreneurship tip: To cheat people of their money, sell them something that you cannot verify the effect of, like weight-loss pills, subway diet, and surge protectors.
 

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Why can't you just get straight to the point which it will be more efficient for all parties?
If you want to be scammed, then don't learn. Don't read. Just entertain impulses. Believe hearsay.

Why confuse an issue with facts and manufacturer spec numbers? Meanwhile other electronics must have invisible protectors. Observation (no damage) proves it works.
 

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You fight fire with fire, or in this case marketing with marketing.

 

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If you want to be scammed, then don't learn. Don't read. Just entertain impulses. Believe hearsay.

Why confuse an issue with facts and manufacturer spec numbers? Meanwhile other electronics must have invisible protectors. Observation (no damage) proves it works.

Since when i said want to be scammed?

What i am trying to say is please get your message across effectively. Get to the point.
 

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What i am trying to say is please get your message across effectively. Get to the point.
I did. Apparently you did not get it. Apparently all my electronics are on invisible protectors. Since no damage apparently proves a protector must be the reason for no damage.

Reality is never so simple. Soundbyte reasoning (used by so many) results in myths and lies. A better solution was posted. "limster has posted what power board manufacturers claim to accomplish. Use invisible protectors to obtain same protection." Could it be any simpler?

The only useful answer always says why and provides perspective (ie numbers). Useful answers require significantly more text and knowledge. Or just use invisible solutions. Apparently they work just as well.
 
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The only useful answer always says why and provides perspective (ie numbers). Useful answers require significantly more text and knowledge. Or just use invisible solutions. Apparently they work just as well.
To be honest, the posts are quite hard to read.
Does using a invisible solution = do nothing? So, conclusion is don't do extra, just get a simple power extension cord.
Simple words are much easier to read than big words and sarcasm. :(
 

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I did. Apparently you did not get it. Apparently all my electronics are on invisible protectors. Since no damage apparently proves a protector must be the reason for no damage.

Reality is never so simple. Soundbyte reasoning (used by so many) results in myths and lies. A better solution was posted. "limster has posted what power board manufacturers claim to accomplish. Use invisible protectors to obtain same protection." Could it be any simpler?

The only useful answer always says why and provides perspective (ie numbers). Useful answers require significantly more text and knowledge. Or just use invisible solutions. Apparently they work just as well.

Apparently, it is you who do not get it. I fully understood what u are explaining and i am not arguing with you whether it works?

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion and if u wish to share it, please get to the point. This is the message i am trying to get through and that's all.

Your aim is to educate people but it is pain in the ass to read your posts.
 

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Does using a invisible solution = do nothing?
A common conclusion was, "I have a surge protector and had no damage. That proves the surge protector works." So what protected all other electric devices also not damage? Invisible surge protector?

Similar jokes are routine among the more technical. Because this should have been obvious. If a protected appliance was not damage, then all other unprotected appliances must be damaged. Otherwise a conclusion about power strip protectors is bogus.

Moving on. What is to be solved? Anything on a power cord is already done better inside electronics. Furthermore, that power strip only claims near zero protection and near zero filtering. Read its spec numbers.

A first post defined what must be accomplished.
The rule is quite simple. Either that energy is harmlessly absorbed BEFORE it enters a building. Or that energy finds destructive paths to earth via household appliances. Only a homeowner makes that decision.
Soundbyte recommendations are useless. Because a useful solution must also say why it works. Meaning a problem or threat must first be identified. And with perspective (ie numbers).

Emotional bias has only confused things. Most know the first thing they were told (by advertising, a salesmen, or hearsay). Then try to dovetail that myth with above facts - to become more confused. First unlearn some widely believed myths about power strips and what protectors really do. It’s not easily to unlearn the first thing told.

Two completely different devices are called protectors. Did you know that? If not, then more confusion exists.

Another number was posted. An anomaly that should concern all occurs maybe once every seven years. I had a protector for four years without damage. So the protector must be doing protection? Of course not. Another example of bogus logic because perspective (numbers) were missing.

A solution used in any facility that cannot have damage is less expensive, is located distant from appliances, and close to what actually does protection of all AC devices. But again,
Either that energy is harmlessly absorbed BEFORE it enters a building. Or that energy finds destructive paths to earth via household appliances.
That is the problem and solution. But to understand it, first do a most difficult task. Unlearn some very popular and widely believed myths.

An invisible protector facetiously demonstrates that bogus logic contradicts over 100 years of well understood science. Requoted is what must exist to actually have protection.

The OP asked if that protector is good. Well, not one post even said why using manufacturer spec numbers or how a protector works. No reasons why mean a recommendation is probably as bogus as the invisible protector. Its manufacturer only claims to protect from anomalies that typically cause no damage. Meanwhile my invisible protectors are doing similar protection.
 

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i came in to find answers... in the end... TL,DR.

Maybe short conclusions and concise answers + solutions(products?) will help to get information out to the ppl who came here searching for answers..
 

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Maybe short conclusions and concise answers + solutions(products?) will help to get information out
A concise answer was provided.
Either that energy is harmlessly absorbed BEFORE it enters a building. Or that energy finds destructive paths to earth via household appliances.
Unfortunately many ignored it. Instead touted more devices that do otherwise.

An effective solution demonstrate concepts originally taught in primary school science. But many complained that is too complex or a pain in the ass.

The OP asked about a product that does not claim to do what he wants. Neither he nor anyone else asked for a better solution.
 

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If required, then dimmer switches and clocks are failing due to daily noise generated by other appliances. Each does not fail because invisible surge protectors are used? Of course not. All appliances already contain superior protection that makes that noise or mythical anomalies irrelevant. My invisible protectors must be working? If power trips and other appliances cause damage, then I must have invisible protectors on everything.

Same protection exists whether I use a protector strip or not. Either my protectors are invisible, or better protection at electronics is already inside electronics. The latter is true.

They have you boxing with invisible fears. Spending on protectors that claim near zero protection and near zero filtering. Did you read its spec numbers? When no damage happens, was it a protector or better protection inside each appliance?

Read its spec numbers. Post then number that claims protection from anomalies that actually do damage. Your concern is a rare transient, maybe once every seven years, that can destructively blow through undersized power strips. And is sometimes is so powerful as to also blow through electronics.

Too many believe hearsay and ignore spec numbers. For example, where is a power strip that stops hundreds of thousands of joules (the destructive anomaly)? Does 'no damage' mean a power strip is protecting? No. No damage means better protection inside each appliance is working. Protection inside every appliance - including a door bell, air conditioner, refrigerator, and smoke detector - means stress created many times every day by other appliances is only noise. Or do those unharmed items also have invisible strip protectors?

Finally, if a Earth Leakage Circuit Breaker is worn out, then someone was physically resetting it many times a day. If it was not tripping daily, then no wear and no reason to replace it. And if anything needs a protector, then so do electronics inside a leak detecting breaker. What protects it? Protectoin superior to a power strip is even inside that breaker.

The concern is a rare transient, maybe once even seven years, that is completely ignored by power strip protectors. That is solved by something less expensive and that actually claims to protect from a potentially destructive and other anomalies.

Foreign Dude, cut your story short, shop BSing and beating around the bush and offer realistic straight to the point stop on solution for folks who needs it.

You and your stories and wall of text, no one gives one heck about it because they simply do not make sense as it is so foreign, talk singaporean, talk singlish and we will acknowlege your presense.
 

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If you want to be scammed, then don't learn. Don't read. Just entertain impulses. Believe hearsay.

Why confuse an issue with facts and manufacturer spec numbers? Meanwhile other electronics must have invisible protectors. Observation (no damage) proves it works.

It is you who confuse yourself with simple solutions which we all have and know. Because you aren't Singaporean and do not speak like one here. All you go about is your rare transience and once in seven years and go around your invisible protector like you are some scientist who speak to yourself. Go figure and come back with a better response.
 

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I did. Apparently you did not get it. Apparently all my electronics are on invisible protectors. Since no damage apparently proves a protector must be the reason for no damage.

Reality is never so simple. Soundbyte reasoning (used by so many) results in myths and lies. A better solution was posted. "limster has posted what power board manufacturers claim to accomplish. Use invisible protectors to obtain same protection." Could it be any simpler?

The only useful answer always says why and provides perspective (ie numbers). Useful answers require significantly more text and knowledge. Or just use invisible solutions. Apparently they work just as well.

In one of my replies, I Asked you to define invisible protection. You failed to address that and went on and on about other BS.

Define it, invisible protection/solution, address it short and straight to the point.

Invisible, do nothing and heck care eh? so all your posts and replies are simply Bull?
 
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