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Toni90

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You don't clear $0.7m over that span in that example, to be accurate.

No, mortgage debt is not a unique benefit. You can make very highly leveraged bets on stocks if you wish. It's less fashionable to borrow to buy stocks, perhaps, but it can be done if you insist. [However, it's very fashionable among institutional investors and private equity investors. Those "Shark Tank" programs celebrate as much.]

The interest rate on stock margin debt specifically is generally a bit higher (2.88% versus about 2% in Singapore currently), but again that's just looking at one input number, not the full financial picture. Realistic, complete accounting is always important.

I'm just pointing out that the "real estate über alles" philosophy is downright nutty. I don't believe any investment class ought to be your only, or nearly only, vehicle. I believe you should strive for at least reasonable diversification across asset classes and geographies.


Yes, back in 198X or whenever. Let's suppose that was 1985. Had he taken $30K and put it into the U.S. S&P 500 and reinvested dividends, on a gross pre-tax basis he'd have $900K, not $300K.(*) So he's two thirds poorer today, right? (And with an ever diminishing 66 years remaining on the leasehold, assuming he grabbed his keys in 1985.)

Aren't "headline" numbers fun? ;)

A monkey can grow nominal "headline" money. A fixed deposit will do that. That's not at all impressive, and nobody who knows anything about investing is impressed. Cut out the nonsense.

(*) The $900K number isn't accurate and honest either, because it doesn't include some costs. But it's actually much more honest than "Oh, look at that 10X valuation!" boasting and bragging that impresses nobody, at least not anybody who understands this stuff more than superficially.

Can you live in US S&P stock or not?
 

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Some believe that a crisis should be coming soon with trade wars between USA and China...so I would advise TS to wait for a crisis before any property investment move.

I wanted to rent and wait but hubby wanted to buy...oh well...let's wait and see...
 

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For me, retirement planning means I need to be financially free. Ie have passive income coming in even without working to pay for my food, utilities bills, basic stuff.
Rental is a common way as is dividends income or annuity from insurance.

But if married with kids, need to save for them and worry for them too as well as plan for them...

Many people lose their jobs nowadays so the urgency to be financially free is there.

There is no iron rice bowl anymore.
 
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Toni90

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For me, retirement planning means I need to be financially free. Ie have passive income coming in even without working to pay for my food, utilities bills, basic stuff.
Rental is a common way as is dividends income or annuity from insurance.

But if married with kids, need to save for them and worry for them too as well as plan for them...


Many people lose their jobs nowadays so the urgency to be financially free is there.

There is no iron rice bowl anymore.

Just divorce and force the husband pay for the kids. Problem solved.
 

Knight_Rider

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For me, retirement planning means I need to be financially free. Ie have passive income coming in even without working to pay for my food, utilities bills, basic stuff.
Rental is a common way as is dividends income or annuity from insurance.

But if married with kids, need to save for them and worry for them too as well as plan for them...

Many people lose their jobs nowadays so the urgency to be financially free is there.

There is no iron rice bowl anymore.

The only problem is inflation. The income fund and equity fund have to complement each other.
 

mummy1234

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Usually started from the same troublemakers.

I am not a troublemaker if u r referring to me.
I am interested in gaining financial freedom early and sharing my journey.

Those interested can go to Condosingapore forum where because of me and my 5star thread My plan to retire in Malaysia soon. A whole Iskandar section was created. Just celebrated my 100th page.

I think my plan gels with the PAP and Malaysian government hence it is given support.

Think about it, rent out Sg property which is paid up and live and retire in JB where rental is so much cheaper thanks to our exchange rate. Just about anyone can do it. It is a lifeline to us Sgpn and also PRs and expats who find Sg too expensive.

But if young and still can work and have kids, stay in Sg and earn more money better.

I hope to retire in JB. Problem is hubby prefers to retire in Sg.
 
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Mecisteus

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I am not a troublemaker if u r referring to me.
I am interested in gaining financial freedom early and sharing my journey.

You are not really a troublemaker.

But we are bored of your same story.

I guess this is expected from old people. The past stories get repeated all the time. :s13:

We are interested in forward looking stories.

FYI a troublemaker is the one with the clone. =:p
 

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You are not really a troublemaker.

But we are bored of your same story.

I guess this is expected from old people. The past stories get repeated all the time. :s13:

We are interested in forward looking stories.

FYI a troublemaker is the one with the clone. =:p

I am not old..only 43 years old...:)

How young r you?
 

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Reply to your critics:

a) So in your view, you should look down on Warren Buffett and he should be called a Millionaire (not Billionaire) because all his stocks he bought >40 years ago are just "market value" and paper gain (since he has not sold)?! :s8:

b) I quote 1 example, but the whole market for CCR freehold private property prices move in the same direction, so sample size is the whole of CCR, not n=1.
Oh by the way, the OCR private property market actually increases much more! Imagine their CAGR return over past 9 years is >30% p.a.? :eek:

So everyone makes money from FH CCR property?

Everyone?
 

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Usually started from the same troublemakers.

As long as mummy1234 and ervino enter the thread, it will morph into property vs stocks.

For mummy1234, it does not matter what the title is. She will always turn it into "my FH terrace, JB semiD, my useless husband" topic. It happens everytime. Everytime.
 
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cubana

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I am not a troublemaker if u r referring to me.
I am interested in gaining financial freedom early and sharing my journey.

Those interested can go to Condosingapore forum where because of me and my 5star thread My plan to retire in Malaysia soon. A whole Iskandar section was created. Just celebrated my 100th page.

I think my plan gels with the PAP and Malaysian government hence it is given support.

Think about it, rent out Sg property which is paid up and live and retire in JB where rental is so much cheaper thanks to our exchange rate. Just about anyone can do it. It is a lifeline to us Sgpn and also PRs and expats who find Sg too expensive.

But if young and still can work and have kids, stay in Sg and earn more money better.

I hope to retire in JB. Problem is hubby prefers to retire in Sg.

hahaha have fun getting arse raped by mat rempits burglars n worrying about your car getting stolen anytime
 
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