Roboadvisor: Stashaway vs Syfe

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mistersatki_

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Make sure the REIT+ portfolio is 100% REITs and not REITs with Risk Management, since you already hold a lot of bonds on your own. I have a comparison thread here showing the difference in portfolio values from Oct 2020, and the 100% REITs is overall the better product for holding long-term.

Maybe you can split the 10k into 5k SA 36% and 5k Syfe Equity100, with 150 contribution/month each and then, depending on the returns after a year, move the funds over to the one you like more.

If you need a referral code for Stashaway, can PM me.

Ok thanks for insight
Reits+ for long term hold dividend

Prefer stable investment as I'm not salaried worker
My business also has risks so my risk appetite for investment not really very huge
 

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Why more in stash although 36% is not a bad choice? Can consider syfe’s 100equity too, if your risk appetite is there
Syfe reits is afterall all abt sg’s mkt, even though we r moving byond phase3 (covid) still i wonder how much potential can it grow- unless you r a dividend lover just like my parents??! https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/132644319-post419.html

Holding for dividend only. Not for growth mainly.

Long term hold for reits as well
 

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endowus inclsive

shared here -
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/132745443-post28.html
how many of u invested on Esg ?
Mirova Global Sustainable Equity Fund (https://endowus.com/support/900003981366-fund-rationale:-mirova-global-sustainable-equity-fund) &
Schroder ISF Global climate chg- https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/SCGLLAA:LX
https://endowus.com/support/900005061763-fund-rationale:-schroder-isf-global-climate-change-fund

20210222-Tables-CIO-Insights-ESG-rating-by-Sta.width-800.jpg

while StashAway current portfolios score well on ESG metrics, ranging from 3.21 to 3.57 out of 5 ; but no consistency @ all!!


30% of my endowus pf is ESG - v slow growth but i hve faith in L.R. (althoug slow rate now to mid term)
i may nt want it in SA

Stshwy wil introduce 2 new ESG ETFs:

iShares ESG Aware MSCI USA ETF
iShares ESG Aware MSCI Emerging Markets ETF

This means that StashAway’s investment algorithm will now be able to choose from a pool of ETFs that also includes the 2 ESG ETFs above. So, you might not see the ESG ETFs in your portfolio straight away, but they may be included in your next portfolio re-optimisation. These ETFs will complement our existing portfolios, enhancing our sustainability scores while maintaining a strong focus on risk-adjusted returns.


Just in case u need To change your auto-optimisation setting, simply log on to StashAway, go to Account > Settings > Auto Re-optimisation Preferences
 
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while StashAway current portfolios score well on ESG metrics, ranging from 3.21 to 3.57 out of 5 ; but no consistency @ all!!

can explain wht u mean no consistency?


anyway to me if wanna invest using robo, shud trust them to do auto rebalancing and auto pick funds. if ownself pick and choose maybe cheaper and easier to use DIY platform.
 

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is 10k lump and 500monthly into SA with 25% risk a good choice?

No point hold 25%. Might as well do 36% if you're holding long term.

Also, do note that things are falling as of right now, so personally, I think it's better to split the 10k into 1-2k daily to catch more units while it's still dropping.
 

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can explain wht u mean no consistency?

Except for the msci, the rest on that table (shown below) have no consistency. Reasons??

U can see clearly for msci the higher the risk, the lower the esg components/score,
The lower the risk, the higher it is....in a near to linear pattern....but after when combined, it is worse...
Anyway, stashwy has not even added in the 2 two esg etfs, (hence i felt the current report/ratings on esg is still quite random)hopefully after adding in, will be more consistent?

Seemed like u r all hopeful abt this Esg??? Not all are as esg may not move as much like other usa/global stock and esg still sbject to certain degree of higher risk

Some may not wanna esg..... but in the ultra-long run, it will be good....
Since endowus allow us to diY, so i picked 30% esg (if i diy ie buy etfs or funds directly, i m not able to enjoy rebates of trailer fees at all& some of those i picked is purely for corp clients strictly, not for retail clients like us......
If not, i m sorry, i wont even pick endowus to toy with..... i place very little at endowus just for experiment only......
20210222-Tables-CIO-Insights-ESG-rating-by-Sta.width-800.jpg




anyway to me if wanna invest using robo, shud trust them to do auto rebalancing and auto pick funds. if ownself pick and choose maybe cheaper and easier to use DIY platform.
 
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No point hold 25%. Might as well do 36% if you're holding long term.

Also, do note that things are falling as of right now, so personally, I think it's better to split the 10k into 1-2k daily to catch more units while it's still dropping.

Care to explain on why 36% etc? Seems like 36% is a lot of people choice here.
 

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Care to explain on why 36% etc? Seems like 36% is a lot of people choice here.

I think it's up to risk appetite and current economy climate... I believe there was a period of time where risk index 22 was outperforming risk index 36.

Edit: back I believe risk index 36 did not have gold allocation...
 
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First ascertain your risk appetite then keep to it

Somehow gold etc will stay in Stashwy - just a matter of how much % composition
 

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Sorry noob question, for Syfe when they purchase US equities, do they buy it at the "market closed" prices (since there is a time zone difference)?
 

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Sorry noob question, for Syfe when they purchase US equities, do they buy it at the "market closed" prices (since there is a time zone difference)?

U should be asking are there all sort of stk exchange charges/brokerage charges...
 

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Care to explain on why 36% etc? Seems like 36% is a lot of people choice here.
The general principle is if you take on more risk, you'll get more returns. The 36% portfolio is the choice since most of us are holding it for long term >5-10 years. The risk comes in the form of short-term fluctuations. Over 10 years, almost every big equity index sure rise. It's just a matter of rise by how much. So the 36% portfolio, being the riskiest, gives it the potential to rise by a lot.
I think it's up to risk appetite and current economy climate... I believe there was a period of time where risk index 22 was outperforming risk index 36.

Edit: back I believe risk index 36 did not have gold allocation...

This is precisely my point above. If you look at yearly returns, the more conservative portfolios (Maybe from 20% to 28% or whatever) sometimes might have higher returns. But that's just it. It's because the 36% portfolio is also susceptible to larger short term swings. But if you were to look at portfolios over the span of 5-10 years, a full equity portfolio almost always outperforms one with a mix of equity and bonds. The bonds are only there to help you tank short term swings.

You are correct. The gold allocation in the 36% portfolio is new. They only added it last year in the covid-rebalancing. All previous 36% portfolios have 0% gold, and even the 30% portfolio used to only have 5% gold prior to the covid-rebalancing last year.

Therefore, based on the behaviour seen, it's not unreasonable to expect them to revert back to low or 0% gold some time in the future.

First ascertain your risk appetite then keep to it

Somehow gold etc will stay in Stashwy - just a matter of how much % composition
U should be asking are there all sort of stk exchange charges/brokerage charges...

If you got so much free time to ownself quote and reply ownself, nothing wrong with that. The regulars in Money Mind also already tune you out. But please don't spread mis-information.

For Syfe and Stashaway, there are no such thing as transaction charge or brokerage charges. The only fee to be paid is the management fee + currency conversion fee. It's clearly stated in their FAQ page.
I've omitted ETF fees since the comparison is usually to DIY, but then if you DIY also cannot avoid ETF fees.

Sorry noob question, for Syfe when they purchase US equities, do they buy it at the "market closed" prices (since there is a time zone difference)?

Syfe and Stashaway buy their ETFs through Saxo. It's all done through computers. I don't know about Syfe, but for Stashaway, since you can see the price per ETF in USD each time there's a purchase, so you can look up the ETF price for that day. I notice the Stashaway buy orders usually go through at around 11pm-12am SG time, so 10-11am US time.
 
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If you got so much free time to ownself quote and reply ownself, nothing wrong with that. The regulars in Money Mind also already tune you out. But please don't spread mis-information.

For Syfe and Stashaway, there are no such thing as transaction charge or brokerage charges. The only fee to be paid is the management fee + currency conversion fee. It's clearly stated in their FAQ page.
I've omitted ETF fees since the comparison is usually to DIY, but then if you DIY also cannot avoid ETF fees.

U do not hve to quote me if u r not interested too, the truth will speak for itself!

Did i ever say that robos will charge us those fees??? Those costs r alrdy embedded in the eventual units which u(they helped u to) purchased

What is the price that syfe reits100 for Eg buy into those stocks related to
Reit??!purely The exact stock price eg 10sgd listed the sgx only??! Of cos not , it is the trading price that sgx is gonna allow such transactions hence the price is more than 10sgd
U will not get 10sgd x 100units = if u hve invested/deposited 1k but u will get less than 100units w your 1k although the stock price is indeed 10sgd
U mean sgx allow institutional clients to buy stocks without paying for anything??!! what does sgx earns and surv??! Robos appearing not charging us those trading costs that doesnt mean it is not embedded....

Use your brain instead of spending time typing here instead!
And furthermore u r not the spokeperson of robos! Do know your foothold!

Whether regulars wish to partake any actions- is up to them, wont need u to recap and truth will speak for itself
If one do not understand my qn/point, u could have ask for clarificarion! Instead of hoping to get regulars to form a coalition so as to show me who call the shots here
 
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Syfe and Stashaway buy their ETFs through Saxo. It's all done through computers. I don't know about Syfe, but for Stashaway, since you can see the price per ETF in USD each time there's a purchase, so you can look up the ETF price for that day. I notice the Stashaway buy orders usually go through at around 11pm-12am SG time, so 10-11am US time.

I see...I guess Syfe should do about the same thing too then hmmm. Thanks for the info!
 
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