SIM UB vs SIM UOW

[KylieeeRauhl]

based on QS world university rankings 2012/2013, UOW is ranked 264th whereas UB is ranked 313th.
QS World University Rankings - 2012 | Top Universities

having said that, you should just take rankings with a pinch of salt.

Yupp haha thanks anyways

 

[KylieeeRauhl]

Well. What makes you think psych is not common? Psych is very common and the job market for psych grads is even smaller. IMO the fees are still cheap if you compare to going to overseas uni itself.

Relative to biz/engineering, psych is not as common. Yeah compared to overseas its cheap, but compared to local unis, its RLY ex

 

[Havok_ex]

Relative to biz/engineering, psych is not as common. Yeah compared to overseas its cheap, but compared to local unis, its RLY ex

That's where I think you're wrong. Engineering, although common, has a huge demand to fill. Look at your own house, from the computer to the phone to the lighting and your internet. Everything in there, even your house, your hdb your water pipes need some sort of engineering. Yeah, engin may be common, but the job market is there and it will always be there. Biz, okay, common and not as much prospects. I agree. But psych is just as common as biz. Most grads from FASS/SMU SS will major in psych although NTU's intake seems smaller. Aside from that, almost all private institutes offer some sort of psych degree that many students take up. Worse still, psych doesn't have a huge a demand as biz. Social work is not an enterprise and most are non-profit. Other than that, psych grads cant go elsewhere. Healthcare/counselling is also out of the question as long as you dont have a masters/phd.

 

[KylieeeRauhl]

That's where I think you're wrong. Engineering, although common, has a huge demand to fill. Look at your own house, from the computer to the phone to the lighting and your internet. Everything in there, even your house, your hdb your water pipes need some sort of engineering. Yeah, engin may be common, but the job market is there and it will always be there. Biz, okay, common and not as much prospects. I agree. But psych is just as common as biz. Most grads from FASS/SMU SS will major in psych although NTU's intake seems smaller. Aside from that, almost all private institutes offer some sort of psych degree that many students take up. Worse still, psych doesn't have a huge a demand as biz. Social work is not an enterprise and most are non-profit. Other than that, psych grads cant go elsewhere. Healthcare/counselling is also out of the question as long as you dont have a masters/phd.

Yeah I know that engineering is common but the market is huge. But I don't like engineering so yeah. Haha I was just saying I don't wish to take up such a common degree and it's also not what I want to pursue in the future.
Sigh. I rly intend to go ahead with my masters if circumstances allow me to. But if it doesn't, I wanna do social work to help others. Making big bucks is not rly my ultimate aim. Meanwhile I'm still praying my NTU appeal to sociology is successful

Although ur words r kinda harsh but I understand that it's reality haha but there will always be gaps in the job economy so I believe no matter what degree is it, it will land u a job ultimately! Thanks for ur opinion anw

 

[Havok_ex]

Sorry. I tend to be a little too harsh on forums. I hope you choose the right choice. Anw, my girlfriend is also from NTU psych. I have also two other cousins who did psych from private institutes. One works in an orphanage and the other is at an NPO. The pay, well, lets just say they wont be buying their first home anytime soon. Helping others is a noble thing, but be prepared for huge sacrifices. If you're partner is okay with it and is able to make up for the loss then its fine though.

 

[KylieeeRauhl]

Sorry. I tend to be a little too harsh on forums. I hope you choose the right choice. Anw, my girlfriend is also from NTU psych. I have also two other cousins who did psych from private institutes. One works in an orphanage and the other is at an NPO. The pay, well, lets just say they wont be buying their first home anytime soon. Helping others is a noble thing, but be prepared for huge sacrifices. If you're partner is okay with it and is able to make up for the loss then its fine though.

Haha its okay.

If personA graduates from a private univerisity with a degree in psych compared to personB with a psych degree from a local uni (assuming both A and B did well, and decide to stop at a degree, forgoing honours/masters/phd) will the one from the local uni be more successful? Since ppl always say a degree in psychology wont get u anywhere. I mean, it cant be just because B is from a local uni so he/she will make more $ eventually and be living the life, while A will be working at NPOs, finding it hard to get decent paying jobs?

because if this is true, then actually the degree doesnt matter, its the university that matters if someone will be living well or not :/
Is ur girlfriend intending to pursue masters/PhD? And if she isnt, what does she plan to do in the future? Just curious haha

 

[Havok_ex]

Haha its okay.

If personA graduates from a private univerisity with a degree in psych compared to personB with a psych degree from a local uni (assuming both A and B did well, and decide to stop at a degree, forgoing honours/masters/phd) will the one from the local uni be more successful? Since ppl always say a degree in psychology wont get u anywhere. I mean, it cant be just because B is from a local uni so he/she will make more $ eventually and be living the life, while A will be working at NPOs, finding it hard to get decent paying jobs?

because if this is true, then actually the degree doesnt matter, its the university that matters if someone will be living well or not :/
Is ur girlfriend intending to pursue masters/PhD? And if she isnt, what does she plan to do in the future? Just curious haha

The university plays a huge role as well. Not all degrees and universities are made the same dear. Yes. The grad from local uni will have a higher chance of securing a better pay. Especially because of the fact that local grads can go into gov and stat boards while DL grads can't. Look at it this way. One person could have a law degree from Oxbridge and the other from NUS. Both law right? But which is obviously the better candidate? I'm pushing her to go for masters at least. If possible then PhD. But most likely not since we want to earn enough to settle down soon. Haha.

 

[Havok_ex]

I'm not saying it's impossible for DL grads to earn as much as local grads. But it will be significantly harder.

 

[CarlFTC]

I'm not saying it's impossible for DL grads to earn as much as local grads. But it will be significantly harder.

not really significantly harder lah, it really depends on individual. the playing field is different at the start but after that it depends on how you perform already. i have some friends from SIM doing very well in private sectors and earning more than some local unis counterparts. some local unis friends do well, some are just satisfied with being average. and then there are overseas uni grads too. thing is, DL grads should not venture into govt sectors; their achievements, contributions and talents will be recognised more in private sectors.

 

[Number_Theory123]

Haha its okay.

If personA graduates from a private univerisity with a degree in psych compared to personB with a psych degree from a local uni (assuming both A and B did well, and decide to stop at a degree, forgoing honours/masters/phd) will the one from the local uni be more successful? Since ppl always say a degree in psychology wont get u anywhere. I mean, it cant be just because B is from a local uni so he/she will make more $ eventually and be living the life, while A will be working at NPOs, finding it hard to get decent paying jobs?

because if this is true, then actually the degree doesnt matter, its the university that matters if someone will be living well or not :/
Is ur girlfriend intending to pursue masters/PhD? And if she isnt, what does she plan to do in the future? Just curious haha

The uni u grad from matters a lot.

The more prestigious the uni is, the more valuable u will become in the eyes of the employers. This is very much so for the first job.

 

[patryn33]

The university plays a huge role as well. Not all degrees and universities are made the same dear. Yes. The grad from local uni will have a higher chance of securing a better pay. Especially because of the fact that local grads can go into gov and stat boards while DL grads can't. Look at it this way. One person could have a law degree from Oxbridge and the other from NUS. Both law right? But which is obviously the better candidate? I'm pushing her to go for masters at least. If possible then PhD. But most likely not since we want to earn enough to settle down soon. Haha.

Not a fair analogy IMHO, TS here at best if go overseas also avg uni. It's more like UQ/Lancaster vs local ivy.
In such case does uni play a huge role.
Oxbridge or any ivy vs local ivy yeah right. These are the selected few if can walk into such uni no need to worry about local already loh

 

[KylieeeRauhl]

The university plays a huge role as well. Not all degrees and universities are made the same dear. Yes. The grad from local uni will have a higher chance of securing a better pay. Especially because of the fact that local grads can go into gov and stat boards while DL grads can't. Look at it this way. One person could have a law degree from Oxbridge and the other from NUS. Both law right? But which is obviously the better candidate? I'm pushing her to go for masters at least. If possible then PhD. But most likely not since we want to earn enough to settle down soon. Haha.

Haha yeah for the first job, the person from a local uni will definitely get a slightly higher salary compared to the person who graduated from a private uni.
Haha settle down? Ur still waiting for uni right?

 

[KylieeeRauhl]

The uni u grad from matters a lot.

The more prestigious the uni is, the more valuable u will become in the eyes of the employers. This is very much so for the first job.

Yes for the first job uni is v impt haha but not so impt in determining ur worth in the job like 20years down the road right? haha

 

[KylieeeRauhl]

not really significantly harder lah, it really depends on individual. the playing field is different at the start but after that it depends on how you perform already. i have some friends from SIM doing very well in private sectors and earning more than some local unis counterparts. some local unis friends do well, some are just satisfied with being average. and then there are overseas uni grads too. thing is, DL grads should not venture into govt sectors; their achievements, contributions and talents will be recognised more in private sectors.

Haha can someone enlighten me, what does DL stand for? :X hahah and yeah i agree with u. its not significantly, but just slightly harder for the first few months on the very first job the individual takes up.
but graduates from private unis can still venture into govt sectors right? Might be harder but its not an absolute no-no right?

 

[Number_Theory123]

not really significantly harder lah, it really depends on individual. the playing field is different at the start but after that it depends on how you perform already. i have some friends from SIM doing very well in private sectors and earning more than some local unis counterparts. some local unis friends do well, some are just satisfied with being average. and then there are overseas uni grads too. thing is, DL grads should not venture into govt sectors; their achievements, contributions and talents will be recognised more in private sectors.

That is like saying that although dip starting point is different from a degree starting point but one could still catch up even w a dip as it is the working capabilities that counts.

U know that it is difficult to catch up w a dip isn't it?

And u sure that different degree gives u different starting point?(less the scholar track)

More like employers prefer more prestigious uni grads and for those less prestigious uni, they do not employ them as there are grads from well-regarded uni to choose from.

 

[CarlFTC]

That is like saying that although dip starting point is different from a degree starting point but one could still catch up even w a dip as it is the working capabilities that counts.

U know that it is difficult to catch up w a dip isn't it?

And u sure that different degree gives u different starting point?(less the scholar track)

More like employers prefer more prestigious uni grads and for those less prestigious uni, they do not employ them as there are grads from well-regarded uni to choose from.

well why do u wanna compare someone with a dip vs someone with a degree?

yes different degree gives you different starting point. an example: Uni A is more prestigious than Uni B, two fresh grads from Uni A and Uni B w/o working experience

both went into the same industry and work as marketing execs. Uni A grad gt employed by a more prestigious coy, gets a higher starting pay and slightly more job responsibilities. Uni B grad went into a normal coy and gets a lower starting pay. this is an example of different starting point im talking about.

however, after that, things can start to change depending on individuals and many other factors. to bring my example further:

Uni B grad works very hard and performs well and gt headhunted to join Uni A grad coy and gets a position higher than Uni A grad.

Uni A grad performs so-so and gets a slight increment in pay only.

like what you have said, for the first job, employers would prefer a more prestigious uni grad. thats true and fair, after all the candidate earns the place in the prestigious uni himself. most use that as a comparison for grads w/o working experience. but there are really many other situations and factors to consider. some undergrads have relevant working experiences, some go on to do interships and performs well and gets a gd testimonials etc etc.

there are really gd and black sheeps amongst all different kind of grads from different unis. in my course of work, i have seen employees with really gd attitudes and abilities and i was surprised (last time) when they told me they were SIM grads (mostly) or other DL grads.

 

[CarlFTC]

Haha can someone enlighten me, what does DL stand for? :X hahah and yeah i agree with u. its not significantly, but just slightly harder for the first few months on the very first job the individual takes up.
but graduates from private unis can still venture into govt sectors right? Might be harder but its not an absolute no-no right?

DL stands for distance learning.

you can, but provided that they wanna employ you first. but not advisable cos most govt sectors place alot of attention on your qualifications even after a few years. you may see your local uni grad colleague promote faster than you even though you think you perform better in your job, armed with a private degree.

 

[Number_Theory123]

well why do u wanna compare someone with a dip vs someone with a degree?

yes different degree gives you different starting point. an example: Uni A is more prestigious than Uni B, two fresh grads from Uni A and Uni B w/o working experience

both went into the same industry and work as marketing execs. Uni A grad gt employed by a more prestigious coy, gets a higher starting pay and slightly more job responsibilities. Uni B grad went into a normal coy and gets a lower starting pay. this is an example of different starting point im talking about.

however, after that, things can start to change depending on individuals and many other factors. to bring my example further:

Uni B grad works very hard and performs well and gt headhunted to join Uni A grad coy and gets a position higher than Uni A grad.

Uni A grad performs so-so and gets a slight increment in pay only.

like what you have said, for the first job, employers would prefer a more prestigious uni grad. thats true and fair, after all the candidate earns the place in the prestigious uni himself. most use that as a comparison for grads w/o working experience. but there are really many other situations and factors to consider. some undergrads have relevant working experiences, some go on to do internships and performs well and gets a gd testimonials etc etc.

there are really gd and black sheeps amongst all different kind of grads from different unis. in my course of work, i have seen employees with really gd attitudes and abilities and i was surprised (last time) when they told me they were SIM grads (mostly) or other DL grads.

If your definition of "starting point" is like what u have mentioned, then I fully agree with you. You got it spot on.

"Uni B grad works very hard and performs well and gt headhunted to join Uni A grad coy and gets a position higher than Uni A grad."

Lol????

U will certainly see a few cases like these but reality will be that majority of them get stuck in a less well-regarded firm and face stagnant career prospect.

On the other hand, u mean grads from prestigious colleges don't work very hard and don't perform well? Lol.

Both grads work hard and perform well but one work at Morgan Stanley while one work for a mickey mouse firm or mid-tier firm.

You tell me 10-20 years down the road what will be the most likely scenario.

Even if uni grad B do get headhunted by Morgan Stanley, what makes u think that uni grad B will hold a position/salary that is higher than uni grad A?

Because u assume that uni grad A will not work hard and subsequently don't perform well.

That is plain funny isn't it? I see no reason why uni grad A will not work hard.

 

[CarlFTC]

"Uni B grad works very hard and performs well and gt headhunted to join Uni A grad coy and gets a position higher than Uni A grad."

Lol????

U will certainly see a few cases like these but reality will be that majority of them get stuck in a less well-regarded firm and face stagnant career prospect.

yea why not? i keep hearing about this kind of scenario back in school days but treat it as hearsays till i see it for myself. future is in one's hands and if one keep thinking that he or she is not gd enough, they will never progress.

On the other hand, u mean grads from prestigious colleges don't work very hard and perform well? Lol.

did i say that bro?

Both grads work hard and perform well but one work at Morgan Stanley while one work for a mickey mouse firm.

You tell me 10-20 years down the road what will be the most likely scenario.

well my answer is, the one working at morgan stanley deserves it cos he work hard. for the one not working there (yet), strive hard and work for it cos nothing is impossible.

lol anyway i may be biased cos i hv seen some who didnt start off so well make it there not swiftly but gradually and am impressed with them though im not a DL grad myself.

 

[CarlFTC]

Because u assume that uni grad A will not work hard and perform well.

That is plain funny isn't it? I see no reason why uni grad A will not work hard and perform well.

bro, i didnt say they perform well. i said slight increment in pay, which is the practice after working for a few years.

by the way, im giving an example. can we be sure that 100% of grads from good unis continue to perform well?