SIM UB vs SIM UOW

[Number_Theory123]

did i say that bro?

Whatever it is, what I meant was that your scenario is possible if and only if uni grad A don't work hard.

What are the chances of that happening??????????

You know the answer, I'm sure.

 

[Number_Theory123]

bro, i didnt say they perform well. i said slight increment in pay, which is the practice after working for a few years.

by the way, im giving an example. can we be sure that 100% of grads from good unis continue to perform well?

Srry I meant uni grad A not working hard and subsequently not performing well.

No, I cannot be sure of course.

 

[CarlFTC]

Whatever it is, what I meant was that your scenario is possible if and only if uni grad A don't work hard.

What are the chances of that happening??????????

You know the answer, I'm sure.

lol why not? maybe u havent seen it yourself yet. there are really 'black sheeps' like that.

actually i was emphasizing more on uni grad B working hard and overtaking uni grad A at another stage. definitely possible in the private sectors where some dun emphasize so much on your degree anymore after some years of performing well in your job.

 

[Number_Theory123]

Whatever it is, if u are trying to say that no matter which uni u came from, u still have to continue to work hard in your job instead of having the mentality that "I grad from good unis hence I can slack and manage to get promotion and etc", then yes I fully agree w u.

 

[Havok_ex]

lol why not? maybe u havent seen it yourself yet. there are really 'black sheeps' like that.

actually i was emphasizing more on uni grad B working hard and overtaking uni grad A at another stage. definitely possible in the private sectors where some dun emphasize so much on your degree anymore after some years of performing well in your job.

Yes. As you've mentioned. These are black sheeps which are RARE in the first place. No one is saying it's not possible. What we're saying is that its both difficult and rare for such a thing to happen.

 

[Number_Theory123]

lol why not? maybe u havent seen it yourself yet. there are really 'black sheeps' like that.

actually i was emphasizing more on uni grad B working hard and overtaking uni grad A at another stage. definitely possible in the private sectors where some dun emphasize so much on your degree anymore after some years of performing well in your job.

There are of course but how many? Out of 10 how many?

 

[CarlFTC]

lax guys i agree it is rare, my point and example is not to show that there are many 'uni B grads' overtaking 'uni A grads'. its to show that it is possible.

my 'underlying' message is 'dun just give up if you didnt start off well, because future is in your own hands and only you can decide how you want to be.'

 

[Number_Theory123]

lax guys i agree it is rare, my point and example is not to show that there are many 'uni B grads' overtaking 'uni A grads'. its to show that it is possible.

my 'underlying' message is 'dun just give up if you didnt start off well, because future is in your own hands and only you can decide how you want to be.'

I'm very relax.

My underlying msg is actually "since it is rare for uni grad B to overtake uni grad A or even reach uni grad A position, why enter less prestigious unis and spend so much money on it then?"

U sure it is worth it? U might want to consider other alternatives and it might be even more worth while.

 

[CarlFTC]

I'm very relax.

My underlying msg is actually "since it is rare for uni grad B to overtake uni grad A or even reach uni grad A position, why enter less prestigious unis and spend so much money on it then?"

U sure it is worth it? U might want to consider other alternatives and it might be even more worth while.

so what kind of alternatives do you think will be worthwhile bro? since im sure those who choose less prestigious unis will want to enter prestigious unis but gt rejected.

 

[Number_Theory123]

so what kind of alternatives do you think will be worthwhile bro? since im sure those who choose less prestigious unis will want to enter prestigious unis but gt rejected.

If I may express my humble opinions on your question then I would say that for the poly grads, do consider heading out to the work force and work first whilst studying for ur part-time degree. Your relevant work experience is the key here.

As for the A level-students, the way to reach uni grad A position is not to do it in your career. But rather re-taking ur A levels and do well this time round.

But this is a huge risk and one has to ensure that 200% effort has to be put in.

If you work hard during 2 years at JC already but still didn't get good grades then no point re-taking ur A-levels. But again, this is rare. Very seldom do ppl work hard and yet didn't manage to achieve good grades.

Teachers will help u if are willingly to work-hard during the 2 years at JC.

 

[CarlFTC]

If I may express my humble opinions on your question then I would say that for the poly grads do consider heading out to the work force and work first whilst gaining ur part-time degree.

As for the A level-students, the way to reach uni grad A position is not to do it in your career. But rather re-taking ur A levels and do well this time round.

But this is a huge risk and one has to ensure that 200% effort has to be put in.

If you work hard during JC already but still didn't get good grades then no point re-taking ur A-levels. But again this is rare. Seldom ppl work hard but didn't get good grades. Teachers will help u if are willingly to work-hard during JC.

yea gaining some working experience before heading back to studies is really beneficial. not easy to cope but if study related fields, you will understand your course content easily. but part time degrees will be private degrees right?

i dun recommend A level students to retake, seldom heard of people doing well unless put in 200% effort like you said. easier for girls but extremely hard for guys in NS. what if a retaker doesnt do well again?

 

[Number_Theory123]

yea gaining some working experience before heading back to studies is really beneficial. not easy to cope but if study related fields, you will understand your course content easily. but part time degrees will be private degrees right?

i dun recommend A level students to retake, seldom heard of people doing well unless put in 200% effort like you said. easier for girls but extremely hard for guys in NS. what if a retaker doesnt do well again?

Well, all I can say is that I don't have the perfect method that will ensure success for everybody.

My alternatives will do good for some ppl but might not be that good for some.

A re-taker doesn't do well again?

Just go to SIM this time round? U just lose out by a year only and that "lost" year was "lost" because u changed for the better and tried to enter NUS/NTU/SMU again.

Plus, worse come to worst, u will be the same age as poly grads hence I won't define it as "lost".

If u manage to enter NUS/NTU/SMU on your 2nd attempt, thats brilliant. And that is all in your own hands isn't it?

Rather than going to SIM straight and thinking that by working hard at your career and blah blah blah it will then resolve the issue. That is plain false hope.

And this are my own views only and I might be wrong.

I'm not saying that those who didn't do well for their A-Levels should re-take, and this time round, their grades will magically improve. Certainly no, I'm not saying this.

 

[CarlFTC]

Well, all I can say is that I don't have the perfect method that will ensure success for everybody.

My alternatives will do good for some ppl but might not be that good for some.

A re-taker doesn't do well again?

Just go to SIM this time round? U just lose out by a year only and that "lost" year was "lost" because u changed for the better and tried to enter NUS/NTU/SMU again.

Plus, worse come to worst, u will be the same age as poly grads hence I won't define it as "lost".

If u manage to enter NUS/NTU/SMU on your 2nd attempt, thats brilliant. And that is all in your own hands isn't it?

Rather than going to SIM straight and thinking that by working hard at your career and blah blah blah it will then resolve the issue. That is plain false hope.

And this are my own views only and I might be wrong.

I'm not saying that those who didn't do well for their A-Levels should re-take, and this time round, their grades will magically improve. Certainly no, I'm not saying this.

yea dun worry dude, we all have our own views.

not plain false hope at all. of course, strive to do well in your SIM or private degree as well and then work hard in your career. i dunno about A-level students but i know its not easy for poly grads to enter local unis or 'prestigious unis'. esp for those who have the range of 3.0 to 3.4/3.5 GPA and they cant afford financially to go overseas unis, they settle for SIM. not sure what you mean by 'resolve the issue' but one must look ahead and improve instead of brooding about their past.

qualifications are no doubt important but as employers in pte sectors, we do look beyond that and attitudes and work achievements are paramount in selection. if a headhunter were to come to us with a portfolio of someone with gd work performance and show great attitudes during interviews despite not graduating from 'prestigious' unis or local unis in sg context, we or I as a matter of fact will definitely seriously consider. thats why, i stand by my points of 'dun just give up if you didnt start off well, because future is in your own hands and only you can decide how you want to be.'

 

[patryn33]

Care to elaborate on the benefits of having work experience and returning to study?
I thought ppl complain about forgetting what they learn and have a hard time catching up.
Most job out there for dip holders exercise a good > 50% of the knowledge from poly?

Why is going to sim giving one false hope? My buddy went thru that path also doing pretty well maybe just as well as my buddy who grad from local. Not all local grads see money raining from the sky. It's ones experience and performance that count. My cousin no degree in IT makes more $$ than 2 Nus grad in our family.

A good degree does open door but if one didn't perform well in the biz what degree also like that.

It's not uncommon to find burnt out Harvard grad Koreans not working for 1-2 yrs after graduation. They just sit at home do nothing not motivated to find high paid job. Without digressing to TS just go for what u want and strive to do well. No money for higher degree never opt to read MA, aim for a phd. The few ppl around me all done their phd. 2 of them teaching in local uni.

 

[CarlFTC]

Care to elaborate on the benefits of having work experience and returning to study?

beneficial if working/have worked and returning to study related fields. poly grads normally worked as junior execs (though in some industries like hospitality they have higher positions) and most return to study for a degree in related fields after a few years cos they are nearing promotions. even as junior execs, they will come across and overlap with more advanced terms or concepts after having some years of experience. so when the prof or lecturer teach these degree-level concepts, some will know it or they will recall fast as compared to their fellow students from another fields.

even if study non-related fields, the maturity and soft skills such as dealing with people etc will somehow help them. again, apply to some students only.

 

[FrostWurm]

Why is going to sim giving one false hope?

Cause the labour market is flooded with sim graduates, considering that the entry requirements are not the highest to begin with. Many people enroll believing that they would be paid the salary of a graduate, only to find out that the wages have been suppressed due to the sheer amount of graduates each year. Official government policy hardly helps too.

 

[Number_Theory123]

Strive to do well in your SIM or private degree as well and then work hard in your career. Secondly, one must look ahead and improve instead of brooding about their past. Lastly, I stand by my points of 'dun just give up if you didn't start off well, because future is in your own hands and only you can decide how you want to be.'

Basically, I just meant that there are other alternatives than just delving straight into SIM.

Also, "resolve the issue" means that reaching or over-taking uni grad A position.

patryn33, You certainly can give me 1 or 2 examples that are like that. While on the other hand, I can give you 10 or 20 examples that are the exact opposite of the examples which you had gave.

 

[Number_Theory123]

Cause the labour market is flooded with sim graduates, considering that the entry requirements are not the highest to begin with. Many people enroll believing that they would be paid the salary of a graduate, only to find out that the wages have been suppressed due to the sheer amount of graduates each year. Official government policy hardly helps too.

Yes, majority are not paid the salary of a degree graduate. It is also true but more significantly, majority of SIM grads are doing jobs which previously are done by a Poly dip holder.(non-technical dip jobs)

 

[fluffernutter]

SIM may not be as prestigious as SMU/NTU/NUS but I believe it's still a good Uni. People have their reasons for entering SIM. What's more important is that your pursuing your interests and not paper chasing.

 

[wav35_]

actually the profiles of sim students are not all bad, some could make it to other courses in local unis but not biz, hence choose to study biz in sim.

whoever works hard would normally earn respect. the worst is when, whichever unis you come from, you feel sour when you see the achievements of others, and you try to bring them down instead of embracing competition.