SIMBA Fibre Broadband

[gregory_choo]

Both ports used up?

he is running data center at home.

 

[sky1978]

Point 2a is kinda a deal killer imo. ONT is the ISP's demarcation point and responsibility of it should lie with the ISP so long you remain subscribed to their service.


I'm starting to think the local ISPs can't really go too much under $30/mth without some sort of compromises.

30/month and locked you for 2 years, after taking into account the 14/15 dollar monthly fees to NLT, they will earn 360 dollars over the next 2 years. Any freebies like free installations, ONT, free router etc.... will eat into this 360.

To maintain this 360, they can still do 25 dollars but lock you for 3 years instead of 2.

Someone mentioned the replacement cost of the ONT is 30 dollars after the 1-year warranty, so if every 12 months need to change a new one, then the cost will increase by 2.5/month.

 

[xiaofan]

edit: Simba fibre looks like the MVNO of fibre services

Hmm, I think only Whizcomms is kind of MVNO for Fibre Internet services as they use Singtel infrastructure.

I think SIMBA may provide Value Added Service on top of the current 2.5Gbps base plan in the future, for example, wireless router and mesh solution, Static IPv4 address and security related add-ons

 

[xiaofan]

I'm starting to think the local ISPs can't really go too much under $30/mth without some sort of compromises.

I think the S$20 is SIMBA's selling point to get a hold of the market share (probably losing money or break-even at best). They can provide value added service like wireless router, mesh solution, static IPv4 address, security related add-ons, etc, to have the profits.

I tend to think S$25 for the base plan (without wireless router, GPON ONT or ONR, up to 2.488Gbps download and 1.244Gbps upload) may be a good start point for low cost providers like Whizcomms or SIMBA.

S$30 is already viable since that is the pricing for M1/Starhub 500Mbps plans.

 

[xonix]

30/month and locked you for 2 years, after taking into account the 14/15 dollar monthly fees to NLT, they will earn 360 dollars over the next 2 years. Any freebies like free installations, ONT, free router etc.... will eat into this 360.

To maintain this 360, they can still do 25 dollars but lock you for 3 years instead of 2.

Someone mentioned the replacement cost of the ONT is 30 dollars after the 1-year warranty, so if every 12 months need to change a new one, then the cost will increase by 2.5/month.

See your luck your with SIMBA ONT. I have changed a grand total of " 0 " ONT since I signed up with M1 since 2015

 

[weiess]

changed the ONT twice with M1, no charges.
-1st time definitely faulty, can't power on.
-2nd time the onsite engineer came down twice and decided to replace it (likely can't locate the exact problem, just want to close case fast fast).

for simba, with their low subscription plan fee, i doubt they can waive any hardware replacement cost after the warranty period.

 

[loganrunning]

Hmm, I think only Whizcomms is kind of MVNO for Fibre Internet services as they use Singtel infrastructure.

from a technical definition, yes, but at least you can reach their help desk via a real number etc.

for Simba, it appears like the barebones "dont call us, we will call you" service. the reason why i drew the analogy to MVNO (even though they are building their own infra) is the business model of low entry price that looks like a loss-leader, then they have all sorts of options, that would bring the price back up to the other traffic light ISPs, thus defeating the main attraction of low price. in fact, it would be worse - same or higher price with poorer service delivery.

I think SIMBA may provide Value Added Service on top of the current 2.5Gbps base plan in the future, for example, wireless router and mesh solution, Static IPv4 address and security related add-ons

hopefully they do, and with products that don't provide a worse experience like some well known ISPs
if price is the main USP, it will be hard to maintain market share beyond the budget crowd.

 

[loganrunning]

Point 2a is kinda a deal killer imo. ONT is the ISP's demarcation point and responsibility of it should lie with the ISP so long you remain subscribed to their service.

or, they can provide customers with SFP+ ready routers, direct fibre input. then the ONT issue is moot

I'm starting to think the local ISPs can't really go too much under $30/mth without some sort of compromises.

yeah, the initial advertising was $20/month. then, based on the pilot pricing, its just shy of $25 (factoring in the other costs eg buy your own ONT from them). But if they really can deliver 2.5Gbps at $25 reliabily ie no need to call help desk, then its a good deal

 

[xonix]

Ideally we all like to have same or better service level with cheaper price, right ? But it doesn't really happen in real life 99.9% of the time

 

[hwzlite]

My speed test

ONT -> udmse -> sfp+ 2.5gbe switch to my PC

Cool, highest score I've seen so far.

Any chance test it @ https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat ?

 

[Moratia]

Ideally we all like to have same or better service level with cheaper price, right ? But it doesn't really happen in real life 99.9% of the time

Okay la, when SimbaTPG goes to one market, that market the price will drop drop. Hopefully they open supermarket next..

 

[Mach3.2]

or, they can provide customers with SFP+ ready routers, direct fibre input. then the ONT issue is moot

I don't think the likelihood of this happening for consumer plans are high, but one can dream.

 

[loganrunning]

I don't think the likelihood of this happening for consumer plans are high, but one can dream.

don't wake me up from my dreams

 

[xonix]

Competition from Whizcomms

 

[alexkid]

bufferbloat test results

https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=26f6a0c9-34a4-4b61-94f3-b5d186764860

 

[alexkid]

Competition from Whizcomms

but whizcomm is aggregate speed of 2.5Gbps

taken from their faq
FibrePlus allows a maximum aggregate speed of 2.5Gbps. While each individual connection is up to 1Gbps, the maximum capacity of your home broadband network will be unlocked to 2.5Gbps. This removes congestion for your home broadband network and allows more users and devices to enjoy uncompromised speeds of up to 1Gbps.

 

[weiess]

Most of the providers responded to simba launch.
But M1 still holding on to their plans and prices...

 

[HiHelloBye]

can't wait for more competitions!

 

[xiaofan]

but whizcomm is aggregate speed of 2.5Gbps
taken from their faq
FibrePlus allows a maximum aggregate speed of 2.5Gbps. While each individual connection is up to 1Gbps, the maximum capacity of your home broadband network will be unlocked to 2.5Gbps. This removes congestion for your home broadband network and allows more users and devices to enjoy uncompromised speeds of up to 1Gbps.

And in this case Whizcomms will use a GPON ONR which can not be bridged, just like SingTel 2Gbps plan.

 

[djdestiny]

30/month and locked you for 2 years, after taking into account the 14/15 dollar monthly fees to NLT, they will earn 360 dollars over the next 2 years. Any freebies like free installations, ONT, free router etc.... will eat into this 360.

To maintain this 360, they can still do 25 dollars but lock you for 3 years instead of 2.

Someone mentioned the replacement cost of the ONT is 30 dollars after the 1-year warranty, so if every 12 months need to change a new one, then the cost will increase by 2.5/month.

Recently I had my ONT die after what seemed like... a decade? i can't even remember, according to M1 its in warranty as long as you are subscribed.
Pretty sure TPG gonna charge as their margins so smol

or, they can provide customers with SFP+ ready routers, direct fibre input. then the ONT issue is moot



yeah, the initial advertising was $20/month. then, based on the pilot pricing, its just shy of $25 (factoring in the other costs eg buy your own ONT from them). But if they really can deliver 2.5Gbps at $25 reliabily ie no need to call help desk, then its a good deal

The way GPON is, direct fiber input won't be supported. Sianz.
If only we could use a ONU but those things run pretty hot so back to square 1.... roll your own ONT if can
My OPNsense box got 2 10G SFP+ inputs for that reason but end up also I put in 8125B for 2.5GbE