SingTel 3Gbps, 5Gbps & 10 Gbps Enhanced

[jacrabby]

Hi everyone, I need some advice here as I'm not sure if the new setup I'm planning will work.
Basically I'm currently using the Starhub eb810v which I bought it off someone and configured it myself to use for Singtel fibre.
My current 1g fibre setup: ONT > eb810v (router mode) > D-Link switch (room) > PC & PS5.
I just recontracted my Singtel fibre to 5gbps and they're giving me the HB810.

My question is am I able to use the HB810 outside the living room as the main router and the eb810 in my room via wired backhaul and also "act as a switch" so I can remove the D-Link switch.
Example: ONR > HB810 > EB810v > PC & PS5.
Can these two routers work together as mesh wifi as well?

Thanks in advance for any kind advice.

 

[xiaofan]

Hi everyone, I need some advice here as I'm not sure if the new setup I'm planning will work.
Basically I'm currently using the Starhub eb810v which I bought it off someone and configured it myself to use for Singtel fibre.
My current 1g fibre setup: ONT > eb810v (router mode) > D-Link switch (room) > PC & PS5.
I just recontracted my Singtel fibre to 5gbps and they're giving me the HB810.

My question is am I able to use the HB810 outside the living room as the main router and the eb810 in my room via wired backhaul and also "act as a switch" so I can remove the D-Link switch.
Example: ONR > HB810 > EB810v > PC & PS5.
Can these two routers work together as mesh wifi as well?

Thanks in advance for any kind advice.

Yes, your plan should work.

Both the HB810 and EB810v should work in AP mode.

Whether you can set up TP-Link EasyMesh successfully is another story. I believe it does not work in AP mode. But no need to worry too much. Just set them up in AP mode and you should still be fine as both support 802.11 k/v.

More about TP-Link EasyMesh
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/easymesh/
https://dongknows.com/tp-link-easymesh-wi-fi-system-review/

More about 802.11 k/v/r
https://support.apple.com/en-in/guide/deployment/dep98f116c0f/web
https://docs.samsungknox.com/admin/knox-platform-for-enterprise/kbas/kba-115013403768/
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/w...st-roaming-with-802-11k--802-11v--and-802-11r

 

[kero89]

NLT activation of another TP brought forward.

ST installation next weekend as scheduled. Ahhh can't wait for managed network and TR069 awesomeness.

 

[xiaofan]

Looks like SingTel is now actively promoting 5Gbps Gamer Pro Plan.
https://www.singtel.com/personal/pr...and/fibre-broadband-plans/fibre-gaming-bundle

Bad thing --> compared to the old 1+1 Gamer Bundle.
1) using Singtel XGS-PON ONR (unbridged). Singtel no longer offers 1+1 Gamer Bundle (with one port of the GPON ONR bridged) to new users.
2) still using the old RT-AX86U router

Good thing:
1) still have WTFast Gamers Private Network Service
2) with contents bundle.
12 months of Singtel TV Ethnic Pack* (for new Singtel TV user)
12 months of Disney+ Premium
12 months of Amazon Prime
12 months of Viu Premium

Facebook ads:
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Gear up with our 5Gbps Pro Gamer plan! Dominate the competition with an ASUS gaming router & a Gamers Private Network for optimised server connections. All powered by Singapore's most reliable broadband!

Plus, score 12 months of Disney+ Premium, Amazon Prime, and more — all-in from just $65.90/month!

Find out more at singtel.com/5gbps-pro-gamer

#hellopossibilities #fibrebroadband
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[xiaofan]

New 5Gbps plan vs old 5Gbps plan.

1) Initial 5Gbps Enhanced plan at S$49.90 per month with one free Singtel AX5400 router. The user can also get TP-Link HB810 WiFi 7 router from Singtel (S$16.80 x 24 = S$403.2)
https://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/tech-news-singtel-offering-5gbps-broadband-home

2) New 5Gbps plan: supposed for new users only but existing user can negotiate with Singtel to get the same offer.
https://www.singtel.com/personal/products-services/broadband/eform/5gbps
[NEW] 5Gbps Enhanced Mesh Plan WiFi 6 at $56.09/mth (U.P. $106.09/mth) --> bad choice as the bundled mesh solution is junk.
Comes with 1 unit of Singtel WiFi 6 Router and 1 unit of Singtel WiFi 6 Mesh

[NEW] 5Gbps Enhanced Mesh Plan WiFi 6 at $61.18/mth (U.P $116.28/mth) --> bad choice as the bundled mesh solution is junk.
Comes with 1 unit of Singtel WiFi 6 Router and a pair of Singtel WiFi 6 Mesh Extenders

5Gbps Enhanced Plan with WiFi 7 Router at $59.90/mth (U.P. $95.90/mth) --> better choice as the bundled router is decent.
Comes with XGS-PON Optical Network Router + 1 unit TP-Link BE22000 WiFi 7 Router

3) If single HB810 is not enough, you can get the second unit of HB810 from Singtel (S$16.80 x 24 = S$403.2)
https://www.singtel.com/personal/products-services/broadband/eform/wifi7
[50% off] 1x TP-Link HB810 BE22000 WiFi 7 Router (worth $799) at $16.80/mth
+ Free Weekday Installation worth $91.68

4) Singtel NTUC offer still has the Singtel Enhanced plan at S$47.72 per month (for new users only).
https://www.singtel.com/personal/products-services/lifestyle-services/ntuc#20--off-broadband-plans
Comes with
Singtel WiFi 6 router
12 months of Amazon Prime
12 months of Disney+ Premium
Complimentary Red Membership for the 1st year, with an $80 voucher off your mobile device or broadband plan
Home telephone line

 

[jacrabby]

Yes, your plan should work.

Both the HB810 and EB810v should work in AP mode.

Whether you can set up TP-Link EasyMesh successfully is another story. I believe it does not work in AP mode. But no need to worry too much. Just set them up in AP mode and you should still be fine as both support 802.11 k/v.

More about TP-Link EasyMesh
https://www.tp-link.com/sg/easymesh/
https://dongknows.com/tp-link-easymesh-wi-fi-system-review/

More about 802.11 k/v/r
https://support.apple.com/en-in/guide/deployment/dep98f116c0f/web
https://docs.samsungknox.com/admin/knox-platform-for-enterprise/kbas/kba-115013403768/
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/w...st-roaming-with-802-11k--802-11v--and-802-11r

Thanks so much for your helpful info Xiaofan! I'll see if the ST installer is willing to help me set them up.

 

[kappak]

Singtel 5Gbps@$45/month plan installed today.
Upgrade from 2gbps@$48/month with balance 1 year contract.
Free 12months prime and 1 wifi ap.
Save $3/month after the upgrade.
Later go back try can load balance 5gbps+1gbps port become 6gbps bandwidth or not.haha

 

[xiaofan]

Singtel 5Gbps@$45/month plan installed today.
Upgrade from 2gbps@$48/month with balance 1 year contract.
Free 12months prime and 1 wifi ap.
Save $3/month after the upgrade.
Later go back try can load balance 5gbps+1gbps port become 6gbps bandwidth or not.haha

Nice offer, better than the new user offer, especially if you do not need the HB810 WiFi 7 router. I am paying S$49.90 per month for the same plan as you.

https://www.singtel.com/personal/products-services/broadband/eform/5gbps

[NEW] 5Gbps Enhanced Mesh Plan WiFi 6 at $56.09/mth (U.P. $106.09/mth)
Comes with 1 unit of Singtel WiFi 6 Router and 1 unit of Singtel WiFi 6 Mesh

[NEW] 5Gbps Enhanced Mesh Plan WiFi 6 at $61.18/mth (U.P $116.28/mth)
Comes with 1 unit of Singtel WiFi 6 Router and a pair of Singtel WiFi 6 Mesh Extenders

5Gbps Enhanced Plan with WiFi 7 Router at $59.90/mth (U.P. $95.90/mth)
Comes with XGS-PON Optical Network Router + 1 unit TP-Link BE22000 WiFi 7 Router

 

[kappak]

Ya. I ask for kosong pure plan but the prime membership and wifi ap cant be remove from the system so take it lo.

Test result:-
Limit at 2.5Gbps speed due to Lan port is only 2.5gbps.

The ZTE XGS-10GbPON is huge, almost 3-4 times bigger than 1gb lousy gpon.

 

[iainyeo]

1. Basic setup with your own 2.5Gbps capable router (eg: Asus GT-AX6000, TUF-AX6000, Xiaomi BE6500 Pro, Xiaomi BE7000, etc, with two or more 2.5G ports). You can always upgrade to 10G capable router later.

2. Basic setup with Singtel issued router, or your own router. You may not have 10Gbps wired device now but you can use a 2.5G wired device first and later upgrade your wired device (desktop, laptop, NAS, etc).

You can configure your own router in router mode as well and live with Double NAT.

3. More adavnced user may want to add a 10G switch to use more 10G capable devices.

Hi Xiaofan, I am looking your 5Gbps modified setup as my home route has a 2.5gbs WAN port. Can I connect the 2.5gbps to ONR 10Gb LAN port? Will it connect at 2.5gbps or 1gbps or will not work at all. Appreciate your advice. Thanks!

 

[xiaofan]

Hi Xiaofan, I am looking your 5Gbps modified setup as my home route has a 2.5gbs WAN port. Can I connect the 2.5gbps to ONR 10Gb LAN port? Will it connect at 2.5gbps or 1gbps or will not work at all. Appreciate your advice. Thanks!

It should work at 2.5Gbps.

 

[iainyeo]

It should work at 2.5Gbps.

Thanks xiaofan! The onr spec sheet like mentioned 1/10Gbps. Not sure if is mgig port. I am also thinking to slot my 2.5G switch in between to extend the 2.5G to LAN. If anyone has that setup working, do let me know. Thanks!

 

[iainyeo]

Ya. I ask for kosong pure plan but the prime membership and wifi ap cant be remove from the system so take it lo.

Test result:-
Limit at 2.5Gbps speed due to Lan port is only 2.5gbps.

The ZTE XGS-10GbPON is huge, almost 3-4 times bigger than 1gb lousy gpon.

Hi Kappak, did you connect the XGS-10GPON_10G UTP to your 2.5Gbps switch?

 

[kappak]

Hi Kappak, did you connect the XGS-10GPON_10G UTP to your 2.5Gbps switch?

Fibre > ZTE XGS-10GPON > HDB patch panel hub > Xiaomi BE10000(10Gbps LAN port in) > 2.5GBps LAN port out > Desktop LAN Port(2.5Gbps).

If want fully 10Gbps port connection all the way to desktop . I need to purchase 10Gbps PON stick and 10Gbps pcie lan card which will cost me S$100-S$200 i guess so i stick with what i have now.

Wifi 7 routers available in the market is not full blood version. I hold first.

 

[xiaofan]

Thanks xiaofan! The onr spec sheet like mentioned 1/10Gbps. Not sure if is mgig port. I am also thinking to slot my 2.5G switch in between to extend the 2.5G to LAN. If anyone has that setup working, do let me know. Thanks!

My setup.

Singtel ONR 10G LAN port --> Hasivo 2.5G switch 10G RJ45 Port
Hasivo 2.5G switch 10G SFP+ Port --> DAC cable --> Intel N100 Mini PC with dual SFP+ port
Hasivo 2.5G switch 2.5G LAN port --> RT-AX86U 2.5G WAN port
Hasivo 2.5G switch 2.5G LAN port --> ZTE BE7200 Pro+ 2.5G WAN port

Hasivo S600W-4GT-1SX-1XGT-SE Switch
https://www.servethehome.com/hasivo-s600w-4gt-1sx-1xgt-se-switch-review-a-unique-use-case-realtek/
https://www.acwifi.net/28206.html (tear down)

 

[iainyeo]

Fibre > ZTE XGS-10GPON > HDB patch panel hub > Xiaomi BE10000(10Gbps LAN port in) > 2.5GBps LAN port out > Desktop LAN Port(2.5Gbps).

If want fully 10Gbps port connection all the way to desktop . I need to purchase 10Gbps PON stick and 10Gbps pcie lan card which will cost me S$100-S$200 i guess so i stick with what i have now.

Wifi 7 routers available in the market is not full blood version. I hold first.

Thanks bro! Actually I am planning to do this : Fiber -> XGS-10GPON_10G port -> 2.5G switch -> (2.5G WAN port in)Xiaomi AX9000. Same qn as Xiaofan if the 10G Port from ONR can support 2.5gbps. My cable connections will connect to the 2.5G switch. Just want to make the best out of what I have now. Thanks!

 

[iainyeo]

My setup.

Singtel ONR 10G LAN port --> Hasivo 2.5G switch 10G RJ45 Port
Hasivo 2.5G switch 10G SFP+ Port --> DAC cable --> Intel N100 Mini PC with dual SFP+ port
Hasivo 2.5G switch 2.5G LAN port --> RT-AX86U 2.5G WAN port
Hasivo 2.5G switch 2.5G LAN port --> ZTE BE7200 Pro+ 2.5G WAN port

Hasivo S600W-4GT-1SX-1XGT-SE Switch
https://www.servethehome.com/hasivo-s600w-4gt-1sx-1xgt-se-switch-review-a-unique-use-case-realtek/
https://www.acwifi.net/28206.html (tear down)

Thanks for sharing xiaofan!
Singtel ONR 10G LAN port --> Hasivo 2.5G switch 10G RJ45 Port < This is working as is 10G to 10G RJ45 >

 

[xiaofan]

Thanks for sharing xiaofan!
Singtel ONR 10G LAN port --> Hasivo 2.5G switch 10G RJ45 Port < This is working as is 10G to 10G RJ45 >

Yes. Initally I used another cheaper Hasivo switch with dual SFP+ port, then I use a SFP+ 10G RJ45 copper module from Ganwen and it worked as well.

Singtel ONR 10G LAN port --> Hasivo 2.5G switchSFP+ port with 10G RJ45 Copper Module

 

[xiaofan]

Thanks for sharing xiaofan!
Singtel ONR 10G LAN port --> Hasivo 2.5G switch 10G RJ45 Port < This is working as is 10G to 10G RJ45 >

Anyway, I just tried the following connection and it works as well. So the Singtel ZTE F8648P 10G LAN port is working with 2.5G Ethernet as well.

Singtel ONR 10G LAN port --> Hasivo 2.5G switch 2.5G port

Then my mini PC will be limited by 2.5G (about 2.37Gbps)

mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/networking/ookla$ ./speedtest -s 13623

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: Singtel - Singapore (id: 13623)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     2.13 ms   (jitter: 0.15ms, low: 1.99ms, high: 2.25ms)
    Download:  2374.97 Mbps (data used: 2.3 GB)
                  7.21 ms   (jitter: 0.46ms, low: 1.34ms, high: 12.21ms)
      Upload:  2371.99 Mbps (data used: 1.8 GB)
                  2.52 ms   (jitter: 0.30ms, low: 1.36ms, high: 3.17ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/6764e4fc-764f-4ee9-a66e-483abb6cbd49

Using back the 10G uplink port of the Hasivo switch, then it goes back to 5.6Gbps.

mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/networking/ookla$ ./speedtest -s 13623

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: Singtel - Singapore (id: 13623)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     1.78 ms   (jitter: 0.15ms, low: 1.60ms, high: 1.92ms)
    Download:  5656.87 Mbps (data used: 7.4 GB)
                  1.39 ms   (jitter: 2.40ms, low: 1.04ms, high: 210.09ms)
      Upload:  4983.67 Mbps (data used: 6.5 GB)
                  5.97 ms   (jitter: 0.81ms, low: 1.46ms, high: 15.53ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/f8f17bdd-c2d0-48ad-8b6e-c91da43a113e

 

[xiaofan]

BTW, Singtel has limited info for the ZTE F8648P ONR
https://www.singtel.com/personal/support/broadband/routers-ont/zte-f8648p-onr

This seems to be a custom version for Singtel.

The normal ZTE F8648P ONR has AX6000 wireless function (just like Starhub Nokia XS-2426X-A ONR with AX6000 wireless). The dimension is still the same (huge ONR).
https://www.zte.com.cn/global/product_index/smart_home_en/ont/zxhn-f8648p0/zxhn-f8648p.html

Model	Parameter
WAN	XGS-PON
LAN	1x10GE,4xGE,2xFXS,1xUSB; 4x4 802.11b/g/n/ax Wi-Fi @2.4GHz; 4x4 802.11a/n/ac/ax Wi-Fi @5GHz(160MHz)
Buttons	Reset, On/Off, WPS, Wi-Fi
LEDs	Power, PON, LOS, Internet, VOIP, WPS, Wi-Fi
Power Supply	12V DC, 3A
Dimensions	230 mm*40 mm*215 mm (W*D*H)
Net Weight	1100g
Operating Temperature	0°C - 40°C
Humidity	5% - 95%
Certification	CE; Wi-Fi; RoHS; EasyMesh R3