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comparing to sunny Singapore lah

by contrast, Vancouver is overcast and raining/drizzling almost whole year round

Try Iowa. I was visiting HQ and was told to listen to alarms to evacuate to the basement in case of tornado. HQ is insured. Humans they want to take care.
 

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Try Iowa. I was visiting HQ and was told to listen to alarms to evacuate to the basement in case of tornado. HQ is insured. Humans they want to take care.

HQ based in Iowa... Better place to try if USA but we digress
http://www.cbsnews.com/media/top-10-safest-us-cities-from-natural-disasters/

If include snow storm hard to find a nice safe zone. Stay in Singapore best
http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/mrgnc-mngmnt/ntrl-hzrds/index-eng.aspx
 
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a lot of the lurking old members in this thread and the overseas thread and my own oz thread has migrated over to x y z

jus a FYI
 

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hi guys,

is this thread still active? I might be going to BC for university studies (IT course) through college route in early 2017, i have a few questions.

1) How is the IT industry right now? i.e job shortage, too competitive, good prospects? subsequently, is it difficult to transit from a visa to PR as compared to australia?

2) Comparing living expenses such as housing, food, gas in BC to sydney, australia. which state is more expensive?

thanks!
 

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What kind of IT?
Singapore IT manning server? Database?

The Silicon Valley of Canada is in Ontario, markham area.
British Columbia vs Sydney is not a fair comparison.

Check out the uni site and look at the living expenses estimated.
Ie
http://you.ubc.ca/tuition-scholarships/cost/cost-calculator/
http://sydney.edu.au/study/finances-fees-costs/living-costs.html

Of course you have this to give u a general idea
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Canada&city1=Vancouver&country2=Australia&city2=Sydney

Hard to predict 2020 market trend in any industry. Visa to let you stay on post grad is still there. Got job PR no issue.
 
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hi guys,

is this thread still active? I might be going to BC for university studies (IT course) through college route in early 2017, i have a few questions.

1) How is the IT industry right now? i.e job shortage, too competitive, good prospects? subsequently, is it difficult to transit from a visa to PR as compared to australia?

2) Comparing living expenses such as housing, food, gas in BC to sydney, australia. which state is more expensive?

thanks!
syd depends on area.... a general ballpark figure of average minimum as below

Transport : u have to check it out on their website as they hv different passes for different mode of transport ... i dun live there long enuff to figure out

rental: 250-300pw bills exclusive in 2-3 bedroom sharehouse in areas like new town / chatswood / McQ P/epping

food: Tabao 2 meals a day plus bread for breakky $32 a day could be lesser one u are familar w the place

Mobile: 21$-30$ BYO with 1.5G data

Bills: 15-35 per month. . .
 

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What kind of IT?
Singapore IT manning server? Database?

The Silicon Valley of Canada is in Ontario, markham area.
British Columbia vs Sydney is not a fair comparison.

Check out the uni site and look at the living expenses estimated.
Ie
http://you.ubc.ca/tuition-scholarships/cost/cost-calculator/
http://sydney.edu.au/study/finances-fees-costs/living-costs.html

Of course you have this to give u a general idea
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livin...ty1=Vancouver&country2=Australia&city2=Sydney

Hard to predict 2020 market trend in any industry. Visa to let you stay on post grad is still there. Got job PR no issue.

i do not have to decide yet as i'll be doing my first common year in computing science at a college before transferring to 2nd year in university. however, i am leaning towards cyber security/software development.

syd depends on area.... a general ballpark figure of average minimum as below

Transport : u have to check it out on their website as they hv different passes for different mode of transport ... i dun live there long enuff to figure out

rental: 250-300pw bills exclusive in 2-3 bedroom sharehouse in areas like new town / chatswood / McQ P/epping

food: Tabao 2 meals a day plus bread for breakky $32 a day could be lesser one u are familar w the place

Mobile: 21$-30$ BYO with 1.5G data

Bills: 15-35 per month. . .

It looks like food expenses are pretty expensive, so making ur own meals is ideal.
How is the local IT industry? is it like business where alot of graduates have huge difficulties in landing a job?
 
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i do not have to decide yet as i'll be doing my first common year in computing science at a college before transferring to 2nd year in university. however, i am leaning towards cyber security/software development.



It looks like food expenses are pretty expensive, so making ur own meals is ideal.
How is the local IT industry? is it like business where alot of graduates have huge difficulties in landing a job?
u say sydney mah....of course expensive 9696

have u check on uni of south australia mawson lake campus? there is a specialise course on cyber security. One of their lecturers was invited to give a workshop to SPF cyber team some yrs back.

rental in SA is 180-250 PW, bills inclusive and fully furnish
transport, there is student fare, abt what u pay in sg per month . monthly pass for student is ard 70 aud? u can go check in adelaide metro
 
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i do not have to decide yet as i'll be doing my first common year in computing science at a college before transferring to 2nd year in university. however, i am leaning towards cyber security/software development.
?

Software development any computer sci degree will teach u the basics.
Cyber security - you mean cryotherapy? That's heavy in math.

Are you considering uni in Ontario? Waterloo is a great uni and its close to the industry... Microsoft, Qualcomm all located in Ontario. Microsoft tend to hire a lot of Waterloo grads

If you thinking cloud side SW development and cybersecurity this area is pretty well established in the financial world. If you switch gears and look at vehicles it's up coming with self driving cars. Then there is embedded side and cloud side.

Easy to run search and see where jobs are located
http://www.indeed.ca/m/jobs?q=Cybersecurity&l=&start=40
 
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Software development any computer sci degree will teach u the basics.
Cyber security - you mean cryotherapy? That's heavy in math.

Are you considering uni in Ontario? Waterloo is a great uni and its close to the industry... Microsoft, Qualcomm all located in Ontario. Microsoft tend to hire a lot of Waterloo grads

If you thinking cloud side SW development and cybersecurity this area is pretty well established in the financial world. If you switch gears and look at vehicles it's up coming with self driving cars. Then there is embedded side and cloud side.

Easy to run search and see where jobs are located
http://www.indeed.ca/m/jobs?q=Cybersecurity&l=&start=40

As i am going to either columbia college or simon fraser college in BC, i did not look at ontario region. What are ur views of BC? i know that it is very expensive and cost of living usually does not match salary, but what kind of jobs do we expect in BC? more business/lawyers/accountants?
 

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As i am going to either columbia college or simon fraser college in BC, i did not look at ontario region. What are ur views of BC? i know that it is very expensive and cost of living usually does not match salary, but what kind of jobs do we expect in BC? more business/lawyers/accountants?


BC more business imho, sure they have SW companies just not as big as Ontario.
BC vs Ontario hard to compare. its like comparing malaysia to thailand. Bangkok vs sabah hmmm..

as students u care about living expenses.
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livin...ity1=Vancouver&country2=Canada&city2=Waterloo

waterloo living expenses.. is that higher than the BC college/Uni u had in mind? no hard to do a table in excel and break down the numbers and compare.
https://uwaterloo.ca/discover-graduate-studies/why-waterloo/study-and-living-costs

to stay and want to find job.. u can stay in cities where there are fewer jobs but pay better but u get alot of competition. as international student seeking to stay u want to go for the money or status? if U very good u can ask for both, but if U see yourself as avg joe what is high on your priority?

1) if cannot find the $$ u seek then may end up going home.
or
2) U just want to get a job making little less end of day get your status then move freely around the country for better $$?

there are site showing some avg
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/toronto-software-engineer-salary-SRCH_IL.0,7_IM976_KO8,25.htm
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/vancouver-software-developer-salary-SRCH_IL.0,9_IM972_KO10,28.htm

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Cyber Security in automotive next hottest
http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevemo...ed-to-reach-170-billion-by-2020/#6271726f2191

BMW to launch automous car in 2021
http://www.engadget.com/2016/05/12/bmws-autonomous-luxury-car-will-launch-in-2021/
looks like most OEM located in Ontario near Michigan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_Canada
Only Ford remains in Australia, Toyota and GM left the country
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_Australia
 
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BC more business imho, sure they have SW companies just not as big as Ontario.
BC vs Ontario hard to compare. its like comparing malaysia to thailand. Bangkok vs sabah hmmm..

as students u care about living expenses.
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livin...ity1=Vancouver&country2=Canada&city2=Waterloo

waterloo living expenses.. is that higher than the BC college/Uni u had in mind? no hard to do a table in excel and break down the numbers and compare.
https://uwaterloo.ca/discover-graduate-studies/why-waterloo/study-and-living-costs

to stay and want to find job.. u can stay in cities where there are fewer jobs but pay better but u get alot of competition. as international student seeking to stay u want to go for the money or status? if U very good u can ask for both, but if U see yourself as avg joe what is high on your priority?

1) if cannot find the $$ u seek then may end up going home.
or
2) U just want to get a job making little less end of day get your status then move freely around the country for better $$?

there are site showing some avg
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/toronto-software-engineer-salary-SRCH_IL.0,7_IM976_KO8,25.htm
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/vancouver-software-developer-salary-SRCH_IL.0,9_IM972_KO10,28.htm

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Cyber Security in automotive next hottest
http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevemo...ed-to-reach-170-billion-by-2020/#6271726f2191

BMW to launch automous car in 2021
http://www.engadget.com/2016/05/12/bmws-autonomous-luxury-car-will-launch-in-2021/
looks like most OEM located in Ontario near Michigan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_Canada
Only Ford remains in Australia, Toyota and GM left the country
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_Australia

i compared both ubc and waterloo computer science annual tuition fees. Waterloo is cheaper by 5-6k at 24k++ while ubc is about 30k. Rent in waterloo is also about 40% lesser than BC. Comparing both estimated costs given by uni websites, i would be saving at least 5-7k per study year.

but if i were to study 1 year college at either simon fraser or columbia college for computing science in BC, would i be able to transfer to a university like waterloo in another region (ON) to do my 2nd year onwards?

https://www.fraseric.ca/programs/computing-science
http://www.columbiacollege.ca/registrations-and-records/college-calendar#programs-of-study

PR status is high on my priority list, i am intending to take a lower paying job to start with if it means securing a PR.
 
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You have search the transfer agreement, ping the 2 CC if they can get u some info. Note Waterloo CS program may require higher GPA requirement. Not that ubc program is not good just if u in west coast interviewing for job not easy. There will be a preference to look locally first before out of prov

Strict transfer req much like bc. Gen Ed classes should be ok, double check
https://uwaterloo.ca/find-out-more/admissions/admission-requirements/computer-science/college-transfer/british-columbia/

Uof T can be costly or just as expensive as ubc


Of course there are such info out there
http://www.macleans.ca/education/top-10-computer-science-universities/
 
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You have search the transfer agreement, ping the 2 CC if they can get u some info. Note Waterloo CS program may require higher GPA requirement. Not that ubc program is not good just if u in west coast interviewing for job not easy. There will be a preference to look locally first before out of prov


Strict transfer req. they don't credits to 1-2 yr college transfer program!
https://uwaterloo.ca/find-out-more/...er-science/college-transfer/british-columbia/

Uof T can be costly or just as expensive as ubc


Of course there are such info out there
http://www.macleans.ca/education/top-10-computer-science-universities/

https://uwaterloo.ca/find-out-more/...ts/computer-science/college-transfer/ontario/

as above, apparently no transfer credits for a ON based college as well..

http://www.provost.utoronto.ca/link/students/fees17/intl_csc.htm
http://you.ubc.ca/tuition-scholarships/cost/adding-it-up/

yeah uoftoronto is 11k more expensive for comp science in Y2016/2017

i would think that every company no matter which region or state will consider local first.

I have been looking up ON CCs but i cant seem to find similar ones like columbia college or sfc whereby they have a program to let u do 1 year then transfer to university. I mainly come across ON colleges with 2-3 years programs.
 

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You may have to dig here
https://ontransfer.ca/index_en.php

If study 2 yrs transfer to 3rd yr not a bad thing. No transfer credits allow for major. Iirc same deal with ubc
Fees at CC generally lower, u saving more

Many did 2 yrs in BC few years ago, this 1 yr thing seem recent.
Ontario uni didn't seem to accept 1 yr CC program

Old but fun read
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-10-31/university-of-waterloo-silicon-valleys-canadian-feeder-school
https://www.quora.com/Should-I-go-to-the-University-of-Waterloo-CS-or-to-the-University-of-Toronto-CS-for-a-career-in-Silicon-Valley
 
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You may have to dig here
https://ontransfer.ca/index_en.php

If study 2 yrs transfer to 3rd yr not a bad thing. No transfer credits allow for major. Iirc same deal with ubc
Fees at CC generally lower, u saving more

Many did 2 yrs in BC few years ago, this 1 yr thing seem recent.
Ontario uni didn't seem to accept 1 yr CC program

Old but fun read
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...terloo-silicon-valleys-canadian-feeder-school
https://www.quora.com/Should-I-go-t...-of-Toronto-CS-for-a-career-in-Silicon-Valley

https://uwaterloo.ca/find-out-more/transfer-students/college

under faculty of mathematics, i assume 2-3 year diploma program is referring to the courses offered by CCs. If so, if i do the 2 year CC route, i would only be able to transfer into year 2 instead of year 3. That means 5 years of study not including unforseen circumstances, and i would be 28 years old :s22::s13:
 

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u say sydney mah....of course expensive 9696

have u check on uni of south australia mawson lake campus? there is a specialise course on cyber security. One of their lecturers was invited to give a workshop to SPF cyber team some yrs back.

rental in SA is 180-250 PW, bills inclusive and fully furnish
transport, there is student fare, abt what u pay in sg per month . monthly pass for student is ard 70 aud? u can go check in adelaide metro

ok i just looked it up. Tuition fees are comparable/on par with BC unis. But how is the IT industry in australia in general? As i plan to work and stay in whichever country i graduated from and have no intention to return to singapore for long term in the near future.
 

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https://uwaterloo.ca/find-out-more/transfer-students/college

under faculty of mathematics, i assume 2-3 year diploma program is referring to the courses offered by CCs. If so, if i do the 2 year CC route, i would only be able to transfer into year 2 instead of year 3. That means 5 years of study not including unforseen circumstances, and i would be 28 years old :s22::s13:

If u good u can always load up on credits to complete your edu faster.
Most Asian don't take it slow esp if u concern with age.
2 yrs CC if u take 1-2 class more per term study over summer break u be done sooner
28yrs old so? Is 1 yr a big deal? In the big picture 1 yr don't matter all that much imho.

If have foreseeable circumstances you be screwed even its 4 yrs or 3yrs route. Risk always there or job not there u have to go home. That 1 extra yr no matter.

If cannot go Waterloo or feel uoft costly can look at queens. If u jc can apply directly. Poly if have good grades can try that too. But fees 5k higher than ubc. Or u could complete edu at ubc and move out east to look for jobs then. Ppl do it all the time
http://www.queensu.ca/admission/apply-high-school/admission-requirements/international-schools/singapore

Since u transferring uni to uni transfer req better
https://uwaterloo.ca/find-out-more/admissions/admission-requirements/computer-science/university-transfer/ontario/

Go UWO cost cad$25k study well and transfer if u want to stay in Ontario
http://www.registrar.uwo.ca/student_finances/fees_refunds/pdfs%20fee%20schedule%20/Fall%20Winter%202015-2016%20UGRD%20fee%20schedule%20INTL.pdf

Otherwise req same with studying outside Ontario can go MUN! Their rate is low at cad$9k.
http://www.mun.ca/undergrad/apply/fees.php

Top uni teaching cyber security really don't have a degree in that area. Most crypto invented by math major, programming defects found by CS or EE major. This area moves fast, with ibm announcing the cloud quantum computer all traditional crypto are useless. Post quantum cryptography big research today.

Cyber security includes cryptography that's math heavy. I cannot study cyber security and not do math. Even computer sci itself is math heavy.
The other stuff like best practices, SDL and testing methods etc don't need a special degree to teach that. The guys performing testing still need to code and design algorithm. Those CWE or CVE etc all in database, ppl managing program just call out this fix that fix no need special cyber security degree imho.
 
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If u good u can always load up on credits to complete your edu faster.
Most Asian don't take it slow esp if u concern with age.
2 yrs CC if u take 1-2 class more per term study over summer break u be done sooner
28yrs old so? Is 1 yr a big deal? In the big picture 1 yr don't matter all that much imho.

If have foreseeable circumstances you be screwed even its 4 yrs or 3yrs route. Risk always there or job not there u have to go home. That 1 extra yr no matter.

If cannot go Waterloo or feel uoft costly can look at queens. If u jc can apply directly. Poly if have good grades can try that too. But fees 5k higher than ubc. Or u could complete edu at ubc and move out east to look for jobs then. Ppl do it all the time
http://www.queensu.ca/admission/app...-requirements/international-schools/singapore

Since u transferring uni to uni transfer req better
https://uwaterloo.ca/find-out-more/...computer-science/university-transfer/ontario/

Go UWO cost cad$25k study well and transfer if u want to stay in Ontario
http://www.registrar.uwo.ca/student...l Winter 2015-2016 UGRD fee schedule INTL.pdf

Otherwise req same with studying outside Ontario can go MUN! Their rate is low at cad$9k.
http://www.mun.ca/undergrad/apply/fees.php

Top uni teaching cyber security really don't have a degree in that area. Most crypto invented by math major, programming defects found by CS or EE major. This area moves fast, with ibm announcing the cloud quantum computer all traditional crypto are useless. Post quantum cryptography big research today.

Cyber security includes cryptography that's math heavy. I cannot study cyber security and not do math. Even computer sci itself is math heavy.
The other stuff like best practices, SDL and testing methods etc don't need a special degree to teach that. The guys performing testing still need to code and design algorithm. Those CWE or CVE etc all in database, ppl managing program just call out this fix that fix no need special cyber security degree imho.

unfortunately, i do not qualify for queens as my poly grades is borderline 3.1. My main goal is to look for a suitable CC before transferring out to uni. However, so far i have only come across Columbia and fraser college offering and stating their college program clearly, such as being able to transfer to the main uni after doing 1-2 years as long as u hit the min GPA.

I have been looking at sheridan college, what do u think about it? Which campus do u recommend? davis or trafalgar?

MUN tuition fees sounds very attractive. However, it is on the far east coast of canada. But how are the IT programs? do u know anyone that has been to MUN?

Yes, i understand that it is not necessary to have a special cyber security degree to do cyber security work. I am more interested in learning prog languages and building/maintaining software or database. But if given a chance, i would go into cyber security. So is it better to take a computer science degree instead of something like software engineering or information technology?

Don't mind me asking, Are u currently working/living in canada? As u seem very knowledgeable on the canadian system.
 
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