SQ Redemption Devaluation

[Inix]

LOL, most car seat I see for sale in SG, are not flight certified. I've only seen 1 or 2 models for sale in SG, that are flight certified. In fact, I went down to like OG, and asked about FAA approved car seats, the salesperson said no, then I checked all for sale and nothing was FAA approved. Went down to some baby warehouse sale thing, and only 1 model has the flight certified logo and I think it was their most expensive model.

Actually most are allowed on board. Most decent branded child seats (I'm talking about the bigger brands such as Graco, Maxi Cosi, Britax etc, will have some E4 / E5 certification at the back on the car seat. Just search for it and it will be there.

If they are certified for those, they are certified for flight. The problem is that SQ Air Stewardess don't know about this ruling. So normally I'll just go onboard, tell them its allow, check your manuals, and they will go check and come back, I didn't know that!

 

[Inix]

My plan was to find an empty business seat and put the car seat there.

That will not be allowed

 

[Inix]

If you flying Business, sure got space for car seat.

My kids will seat in a car seat only if they are flying Y. J are too big for the car seats actually.

 

[Inix]

Car seat means you have to pay for a child ticket.

I suppose your kids are over 2 years ?

That's correct. They're already paying for a seat. I'm just trying to make them more comfortable. Besides, if I need to drive at the country, I'll bring along a car seat as well.

 

[fone]

Actually most are allowed on board. Most decent branded child seats (I'm talking about the bigger brands such as Graco, Maxi Cosi, Britax etc, will have some E4 / E5 certification at the back on the car seat. Just search for it and it will be there.

Lol, I believe all my 3 seats are all not certified.

That's correct. They're already paying for a seat. I'm just trying to make them more comfortable. Besides, if I need to drive at the country, I'll bring along a car seat as well.

You'd have to lug the car seat into lounge... then upon arrival, to immigration. Esp if taking business, I'd rather check the car seat in and be worrying about carrying the car seat after luggage claim. Isn't lie flat business good enough for kids? Sleeping in car seat is more comfortable?

 

[elnewbie]

I'm aware of that case but mine is different.

2 adults in business with a purchased infant ticket.

No where in the T&C does it say that I can't bring an approved car seat on board if I only purchase an infant ticket.

Please see https://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/sg/travel-info/special-assistance/travelling-with-children/

Excerpts from the website:



I'm just going to let the kids sit on the Business class seat/bed instead of having the car seat, as you'd have no place to put the car seat (if business is full) and let the child sleep on the bed.


Edited:
Just re-read your comment. If I'm understanding this right, you are going to pay infant fare, then bring the car seat on board to put on a (hopefully) empty seat, which you did not pay for?

They probably would not permit you to bring it on the plane.

It will be a child's fare (comes with a seat) and not infant fare (bassinet only).

Edited2: You are putting the infant in business class also right? You're aware of the person who put 1 adult in business, and 1 adult+1 child in economy, and wanted to bring the child up to business but was denied?

 

[elnewbie]

I don't trust the local airport service provider, be it SATS or another vendor to handle my fragile car seat. This is the other reason why I prefer to handle myself.

If I'm not intending to drive in my destination, then I won't bring a car seat. And if that happens, I can't imagine the crew saying no to me if I wanna put my infant into an empty business bed.

Lol, I believe all my 3 seats are all not certified.



You'd have to lug the car seat into lounge... then upon arrival, to immigration. Esp if taking business, I'd rather check the car seat in and be worrying about carrying the car seat after luggage claim. Isn't lie flat business good enough for kids? Sleeping in car seat is more comfortable?

 

[fone]

I don't trust the local airport service provider, be it SATS or another vendor to handle my fragile car seat. This is the other reason why I prefer to handle myself.

If I'm not intending to drive in my destination, then I won't bring a car seat. And if that happens, I can't imagine the crew saying no to me if I wanna put my infant into an empty business bed.

I'm aware of that case but mine is different.

2 adults in business with a purchased infant ticket.

No where in the T&C does it say that I can't bring an approved car seat on board if I only purchase an infant ticket.

It clearly says a child fare is required and you are purchasing infant fare.

Sometimes, you do not really have a choice. It is up to you to argue with the crew. But you need to be able to store the car seat, if business is fully booked. Ultimately, you did not buy a seat for your infant and the infant is technically not entitled to a seat. They can put an empty one for you (if available) on goodwill, but that is not guaranteed. You can always try your luck, but SQ is very protective of its premium cabin, if you did not purchase a seat for premium cabin, then you should not be entitled to one. If there is no where to store/place your car seat in the cabin, then it would have to be gate checked. Then you'd end up the worse off, having to lug the car seat to and from the gate, yet handled by baggage handlers.

Like checked baggages, the checked car seat, if damaged upon arrival, you should be able to claim damages from them or from travel insurance.

And as my post, do check with them, some business class seat are not suitable to put certain car seats. Then you will definitely be rejected.

 

[Inix]

Lol, I believe all my 3 seats are all not certified.

In this case, you better change your car seat bro. The EC certification means testing on the seat has been done and the seats are safe. Not all seats are equal.

You'd have to lug the car seat into lounge... then upon arrival, to immigration. Esp if taking business, I'd rather check the car seat in and be worrying about carrying the car seat after luggage claim. Isn't lie flat business good enough for kids? Sleeping in car seat is more comfortable?

Oh, I don't mean bringing car seats into J. It's Y that I would do that.

 

[Inix]

I don't trust the local airport service provider, be it SATS or another vendor to handle my fragile car seat. This is the other reason why I prefer to handle myself.

If I'm not intending to drive in my destination, then I won't bring a car seat. And if that happens, I can't imagine the crew saying no to me if I wanna put my infant into an empty business bed.

If your car seat is that fragile, your child shouldn't be on it even on normal days. Because its meant to protect your child.

Going back to infant sleeping on empty bed, crews will normally be fine if your infant sleep on YOUR seat / bed (though they will still bug you during Turbulence), but they will most certainly not allow if you put your baby in an empty seat.

Putting beside the fact there are revenue issues (you didn't pay for the seat), but also safety issues (turbulence).

 

[fone]

In this case, you better change your car seat bro. The EC certification means testing on the seat has been done and the seats are safe. Not all seats are equal.

Lol, poor man here, all my car seats are quite cheap, comparatively. Just miles rich only Ok, even if they are approved, I'm not intending to bring onto plane anyway.

Putting beside the fact there are revenue issues (you didn't pay for the seat), but also safety issues (turbulence).

I'm saying the him to try his luck because, if the car seat is approved for use on the business class seat, then technically, it is safe, there are no safety issues here (unless he is using a non-approved seat.

As for not paying for the seat, even in economy, they are known to try to give you an empty seat, if possible, for the lap infant. I don't think they will object if you put the infant temporarily on an empty seat. Also, the infant is ticketed in business cabin, no issue with taking up an empty seat, if there is. If you read the trip reports, there are also people who use one seat for lounging and one seat for sleeping (as the conversion to bed might be troublesome), if there are sufficiently empty seats. But an infant ticket and child ticket might be different esp with the car seat, so depends on what the crew / gate agent / check in agent allows.

It would be great if elnewbie can report back on his success or failure for this method.