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if u dont have a burning passion to do law please stay away from it

the hourly wage suckss ballssss

the only place where hourly wages sucks is at macdonald's or coffee bean where u are paid $4.5. Even if u work 24/7, ur monthly salary will never cross $3.5K.
As a laywer, his starting pay is higher than that...so why do hourly wages suck?? Yes, it's tough work, maybe 60 hour weeks, but the renumeration is way better than Mac. Inclusive of bonus, a young rookie at a SME firm can take about 6-7K in first year during good economy. Tat's about 80K annual salary...which works out to be $25 per hour , excluding weekends and he work 12 hours a day.

Think working at Mac sucks balls.

to TS: Your UOL will be recongised somewhere. Just get a decent second upper with it. You got to do some home work yourself. THIRTY YEARS OLD STILL WANT TO BE SPOOFED? HOW TO BE LAWYER? BECOME LAWYER LE ALSO WANT TO BE SPOOFED?

wakey wakey...
 

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the only place where hourly wages sucks is at macdonald's or coffee bean where u are paid $4.5. Even if u work 24/7, ur monthly salary will never cross $3.5K.
As a laywer, his starting pay is higher than that...so why do hourly wages suck?? Yes, it's tough work, maybe 60 hour weeks, but the renumeration is way better than Mac. Inclusive of bonus, a young rookie at a SME firm can take about 6-7K in first year during good economy. Tat's about 80K annual salary...which works out to be $25 per hour , excluding weekends and he work 12 hours a day.

Think working at Mac sucks balls.

to TS: Your UOL will be recongised somewhere. Just get a decent second upper with it. You got to do some home work yourself. THIRTY YEARS OLD STILL WANT TO BE SPOOFED? HOW TO BE LAWYER? BECOME LAWYER LE ALSO WANT TO BE SPOOFED?

wakey wakey...
Why you want to be re-numbered and not remunerated? :s22:
 

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Hi all,

I would need some advice from all of you. Is it too old to study law at the age of 32-33? Be it in overseas or local university? Thanks.....

Hi HhH Rock,

Maybe I can be of some help, I'm currently doing law myself in Australia. In my law classes, a 32-33 yr old would definitely not be the youngest person, but not the oldest either, there are mature ages students, even up to 40 - 50 yrs of age but that being said this is in Australia where education is not as "discriminatrory" as a local Singapore university, NUS, NTU, SMU. They quite readily accept mature age applicants, and may even be supported through government study payments.

There are two general types of a law degree - postgraduate and undergraduate.
Undergraduates enter law school with a high school qualification (A levels) and undergo 4 years (In australia) of study, this is commonly called the LLB. If you enter at postgraduate level, your program may be called a JD or JURIS DOCTOR, which offers the same content but at an accelerated pace of 3 years. As postgraduate JD students would likely have a previous degree, you would not feel out of place there.

In the UK, a standard LLB undergraduate would be 3 yrs of fulltime study. There are some universities which allow you to overload and accelerate your program to 2 years. Likewise in Australia there are universities which allow you to overload from 4 to 3 yrs.

However, in most jurisdictions, this is not the end of your legal education and most countries require postgraduate training by way of a bar examination or a postgraduate diploma that allows you to be "called" to the court, meaning that you can practise law in the courts of that land. Even after obtaining this, you may be under "restricted practice status" for 6 months - 2 years, depending on jurisdiction.

So all in all, you would likely have to invest 4 - 5 years of hard work before fully qualifying as a full lawyer. And different countries have different "lawyers" - barristors, solicitors, counsel etc and each may have different requirements to practise.

The best thing to do would be to check the respective law societies for information on whether your qualification would be recognised for practice. Singapore's is lawsociety.org.sg
If I am not mistaken, Singapore requires you to graduate from a very specific list of universities, with upper second honours. I could be wrong about this and the requirements change from year to year.

Please feel free to ask more and I'll answer as best I can. ANd also please feel free to correct anything if I've made a mistake.
 
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Hi HhH Rock,

Maybe I can be of some help, I'm currently doing law myself in Australia. In my law classes, a 32-33 yr old would definitely not be the youngest person, but not the oldest either, there are mature ages students, even up to 40 - 50 yrs of age but that being said this is in Australia where education is not as "discriminatrory" as a local Singapore university, NUS, NTU, SMU. They quite readily accept mature age applicants, and may even be supported through government study payments.

There are two general types of a law degree - postgraduate and undergraduate.
Undergraduates enter law school with a high school qualification (A levels) and undergo 4 years (In australia) of study, this is commonly called the LLB. If you enter at postgraduate level, your program may be called a JD or JURIS DOCTOR, which offers the same content but at an accelerated pace of 3 years. As postgraduate JD students would likely have a previous degree, you would not feel out of place there.

In the UK, a standard LLB undergraduate would be 3 yrs of fulltime study. There are some universities which allow you to overload and accelerate your program to 2 years. Likewise in Australia there are universities which allow you to overload from 4 to 3 yrs.

However, in most jurisdictions, this is not the end of your legal education and most countries require postgraduate training by way of a bar examination or a postgraduate diploma that allows you to be "called" to the court, meaning that you can practise law in the courts of that land. Even after obtaining this, you may be under "restricted practice status" for 6 months - 2 years, depending on jurisdiction.

So all in all, you would likely have to invest 4 - 5 years of hard work before fully qualifying as a full lawyer. And different countries have different "lawyers" - barristors, solicitors, counsel etc and each may have different requirements to practise.

The best thing to do would be to check the respective law societies for information on whether your qualification would be recognised for practice. Singapore's is lawsociety.org.sg
If I am not mistaken, Singapore requires you to graduate from a very specific list of universities, with upper second honours. I could be wrong about this and the requirements change from year to year.

Please feel free to ask more and I'll answer as best I can. ANd also please feel free to correct anything if I've made a mistake.



Yup, thanks for the answers. I've some questions about australian law schools. How much are the course fees and accomodation fees? Do you mind to share with me? I would appreciate it. Thanks..
 

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Yup, thanks for the answers. I've some questions about australian law schools. How much are the course fees and accomodation fees? Do you mind to share with me? I would appreciate it. Thanks..

Ok lets break it down:
First lets talk about tuition fees.
I am guessing you are Singaporean and therefore would pay full international fees with no government help/sponsorship/scholarship etc. Australian law schools go by credit points or load so depending on how many units you take that particular year or semester that would determine your fees. On average, a normal student taking a full time load can pay from approximately $15k to $25k Australian dollars a year.

On the upper end fee range $20 - $25k you have Melbourne, Monash, UNSW, University of Sydney etc, notably these are often in the larger cities and more "prestigious".

On the lower fee ranges you have the University of New England, Griffith University etc which if I am not mistaken charges as low as $13k (Australian dollars) a year. And a whole range of universities in between.

DO note that most universities INCREASE their fees annually and this may be as much as 10%- 20%. Some are nicer and they allow you to "lock in" the fees you enrolled at, meaning you pay the same amount every year until graduation.

I should point out that a higher fee does not neccesarily mean a program of better quality and each law school should be looked at for its individual merits and your personal situation. You may even find that despite paying a larger sum of money in a prestigious university you may receive less individual attention or resources as there are a great many other students competing for said attention and resources.

However, the University of New England for example is situated in Armidale, and it is a university town, meaning that there is nothing around it for miles and miles and it might not be a first choice for alot of people. BUT in such tiny towns there is the advantage of reduced living costs.

Which brings us to your second question on living costs. This varies tremendously depending on which city you are in. I would probably rank Australian cities in order of:
Sydney
Melbourne
Brisbane/Perth/Adelaide
Darwin
Any other tiny towns

with Sydney being the most expensive.

It would also depend on your lifestyle whether you want accommodation with an ensuite or would you be willing to share. Whether you are on campus or off, and your Internet usage (terribly expensive here). Also within the cities there are the CBD areas (think Orchard road) and the suburbs (think Clementi/Woodlands), and of course CBD areas would be more expensive. However you may want to balance accommodation and travel costs. No point finding cheap rent 50KM from your university and having to pay the difference in travel costs. On campus accommodation might be more expensive but they are usually situated on campus, easy walk to class.
I would say a good estimate would be anywhere between $150 - $250 dollars a week on accommodation in the mid range cities (Brisbane/Perth/Adelaide) and $250 - $350 for the larger cities.

Best would be to do some research - university websites often have on/off campus accommodation links for international students on their webpages. Just click around and check your university's area housing prices.

Why do you want to study law in the first place? Not to discourage you, but if you are looking at practice in Singapore, you would have to apply for the "higher tier" Australian universities, ANU, University of Melbourne, UNSW, University of Sydney, UWA, Murdoch, Flinders, University of Tasmania, Monash University, University of Queensland. And these can be pretty tough to get into. What were your previous qualifications and how well did you do on them?



Disclaimer: Please note that the all information given in this post is given in good faith, based on the best knowledge of the author. The author makes no claims of accuracy on any information and all readers are advised to reasearch and verify all information with the appropriate authorities.
 
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to TS: Your UOL will be recongised somewhere. Just get a decent second upper with it. You got to do some home work yourself. THIRTY YEARS OLD STILL WANT TO BE SPOOFED? HOW TO BE LAWYER? BECOME LAWYER LE ALSO WANT TO BE SPOOFED?

wakey wakey...

Yup, thanks for the answers. I've some questions about australian law schools. How much are the course fees and accomodation fees? Do you mind to share with me? I would appreciate it. Thanks..

it's so easy to find out the course fees and accomodation fees at the various universities' website. you simply just want to be spoonfed right? :s8:

just go to whichever uni that offers the accredited course and check out the prices.
you can check the accredition of law degrees here http://www.lawsociety.org.sg/ble/faq.htm

http://www.usyd.edu.au/future_students/costs_scholarships.shtml
http://www.usyd.edu.au/courses/
http://www.usyd.edu.au/courses/?detail=1&course_sef_id=Bachelor_of_Laws_525&section=apply

above are links to course fees and a guideline of living expenses in sydney. is it that difficult to search for information yourself rather than asking people for it?
 

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Yes thank you, I cant seem to post links but thats the law society of Singapore website which is your first port of call to check if a degree is in the schedule. Also studyinaustralia.gov.au allows you to search for all law courses in Australia and breaks them down by approximate costs.
 

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it's so easy to find out the course fees and accomodation fees at the various universities' website. you simply just want to be spoonfed right? :s8:

just go to whichever uni that offers the accredited course and check out the prices.
you can check the accredition of law degrees here http://www.lawsociety.org.sg/ble/faq.htm

http://www.usyd.edu.au/future_students/costs_scholarships.shtml
http://www.usyd.edu.au/courses/
http://www.usyd.edu.au/courses/?detail=1&course_sef_id=Bachelor_of_Laws_525&section=apply

above are links to course fees and a guideline of living expenses in sydney. is it that difficult to search for information yourself rather than asking people for it?

so why are you feeding him???
He's let the thread dead for so long since my last post....and only when dear preston come in with a finely articulated passage that he bothered to ask....for some more spoon feeding.

I have a lot of information about education. Usually if i sense that people are truly interested and motivated, i will pm him with lots of information that i gathered over the years. I try to help b/c i was once a lost kid and no one offered me career/studying advice. Some tips here and there to save some $$, get into school etc. If just spending a few mins to share good information can give a person a better and clearer future for himself, why not?

But when i see a leacher, it turns me off. Poly folks who come in here with a " hehe, my poly grades suck, can i do med overseas ?? " Duh ( yes, go search, such a thread really exist), or a A level girl who was asking for " alternative ways to enter NUS law...and self explaining that her A level grade sucks b/c she didn't study and not that she too dumb for law." another big duh.

my guess is that he will probably never make it.( good for u if u try to prove me wrong). If my profiling is correct, he's probably not doing well in his current job. Looking for alternative, he decide on law since it's supposedly well paying...If lawyers earn 2K per mth, i will bet my entire fortune that it will not even be on his list of consideration.

Anyway, let's not try to feed this lecher le...
 

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Why you want to be re-numbered and not remunerated? :s22:

Lol, thanks for verifying that yes, u indeed truly lack substance such that all u can do is to examine every single word of my post and all u can find wrong is a spelling error in a context whereby the meaning of the intended word cannot be mistaken.

tio pawned le...:s13:
 

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Anyone needs more info on Law courses can Pm me, I'll try my best to help. Both me and my hubby graduated from NUS few yrs back. Practising for a few yrs now. Can offer you insights on the industry and decide for yourselves if you are suitable after all.
 

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Anyone needs more info on Law courses can Pm me, I'll try my best to help. Both me and my hubby graduated from NUS few yrs back. Practising for a few yrs now. Can offer you insights on the industry and decide for yourselves if you are suitable after all.

are you having a first degree before taking up Law degree in NUS or is this NUS LLB Law degree considered your first degree?
if you don't mind, how old are you and your hubby?
 

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are you having a first degree before taking up Law degree in NUS or is this NUS LLB Law degree considered your first degree?
if you don't mind, how old are you and your hubby?

I am a recent graduate from NUS Law school so I guess I can reply to your specific query about whether the degree from NUS Law is a first or postgraduate degree.

NUS Law offers undergraduate law degrees and postgraduate law degrees. Most people will graduate with an undergraduate law degree, similar to other disciplines. However, if you had a prior degree from some other discipline, and if you are successful in applying to NUS Law, you will be admitted to its postgraduate law programme. This is an accelerated programme of 3 years' worth, unlike the undergraduate one which is 4 years' worth.
 

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hi guys, i'm actually torn between monash law and melbourne's commerce. However, i'm more prone towards reading law. any idea how i can prepare for law school? Those that have been there? What skills are required to succeed in law?
 

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hi guys, i'm actually torn between monash law and melbourne's commerce. However, i'm more prone towards reading law. any idea how i can prepare for law school? Those that have been there? What skills are required to succeed in law?

if you are more prone towards reading law then you only have one choose of monash law, no need to consider melborne's commerce as it is not law. you have answered your question yourself.
 

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I am a recent graduate from NUS Law school so I guess I can reply to your specific query about whether the degree from NUS Law is a first or postgraduate degree.

NUS Law offers undergraduate law degrees and postgraduate law degrees. Most people will graduate with an undergraduate law degree, similar to other disciplines. However, if you had a prior degree from some other discipline, and if you are successful in applying to NUS Law, you will be admitted to its postgraduate law programme. This is an accelerated programme of 3 years' worth, unlike the undergraduate one which is 4 years' worth.

would you happen to know what admission criteria is like for postgraduate studies? I am currently taking a BA in an overseas university. gotta have a goal! :yawn:
 

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would you happen to know what admission criteria is like for postgraduate studies? I am currently taking a BA in an overseas university. gotta have a goal! :yawn:

i cant give you a precise ans but my tutor worked for mindef before applying for the postgrad law llb.
mindef only employs 2nd upper honours for ppl from my fac. so you can infer that perhaps you might either need something like a 1st or 2nd class hons to at least obtain the interview.
 

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i cant give you a precise ans but my tutor worked for mindef before applying for the postgrad law llb.
mindef only employs 2nd upper honours for ppl from my fac. so you can infer that perhaps you might either need something like a 1st or 2nd class hons to at least obtain the interview.

cool that helps! thanks! :)
 

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i cant give you a precise ans but my tutor worked for mindef before applying for the postgrad law llb.
mindef only employs 2nd upper honours for ppl from my fac. so you can infer that perhaps you might either need something like a 1st or 2nd class hons to at least obtain the interview.

you can't compare jobs with midef. it is a special case. how much career prospect in singapore can you find jobs without mindef?
 

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GLB programme

hello, I am going to apply for the GLB programme for this coming sem. I am wondering if the selection criteria is the same as the those applying for the LLB? would really appreciate some advice. tks.

PS. I recently graduated in 2009.
 

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I am a recent graduate from NUS Law school so I guess I can reply to your specific query about whether the degree from NUS Law is a first or postgraduate degree.

NUS Law offers undergraduate law degrees and postgraduate law degrees. Most people will graduate with an undergraduate law degree, similar to other disciplines. However, if you had a prior degree from some other discipline, and if you are successful in applying to NUS Law, you will be admitted to its postgraduate law programme. This is an accelerated programme of 3 years' worth, unlike the undergraduate one which is 4 years' worth.

I hope u are still around.. as your post is months ago.

I am interested in Doing a Law Diploma or Law Degree also, currently 30+, will be graduating with a accounting cert soon. I start to get interested in Law probably because of my previous job and while studying Business Law for accounting.

But my grades for my Business Law sucks big time.. I put in quite a amount of effort. My english subject is always my weak spot, getting a C5 for O level, the rest of my subjects were distinction.

Anyone has any recommendation/ approach to study law subjects? Good memories to remember the case law? Is what u study in the school useful in work?

Anyone of u know of anyone with law degree doing taxation? how is it? thks thks
 
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