SUSS vs AUS Uni

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Hi, I am undecided in whether or not I should pursue a degree in SUSS, or in Australia. Since I intend to take up an honours, I will be presenting all duration in terms of how long it will take to get an honours degree. I have been accepted into SUSS marketing (4 years honours), University of Western Australia's Bachelor of Commerce (2.5 years honours) and University of Melbourne (3 years honours).

Some context: First of all, I am open to continue working in Australia, after uni but I expect myself to be coming back to Singapore to work. Also, I'm guessing it may be better if I intend to apply for an Australian PR (just if I intend to migrate in the future) but it doesn't really affect my decision. As for tuition fees, I do give some consideration to them, but all three are affordable. I also intend to pursue a masters, but I think I'll leave that matter for another day.

So here are my views towards each university:

1) SUSS

- Pros: its a significantly cheaper but longer option. Also I feel like there is an impression in Singapore's society that a local degree will grant a higher starting pay and employability, if taking into account that I will score the same for each university. Furthermore, as employers nowadays are looking at a more holistic experience, I think that SUSS's focus on social work may prove helpful in employment. As for the modules, they all seem to be quite interesting.

- Cons: Since it is still a fairly new school, it is hard to say what the employer's impression are of SUSS. That makes it rather difficult on what to expect when entering the workforce. Also, I've heard that it is hard to do well in the course (the average CGPA being about a second lower or a third class), despite putting in the effort, which isn't too good to hear. Reason given is that since SUSS has become an autonomous university, it has to raise its standard of marking (basically the jizz of it, don't wanna go too much into detail). I'm pretty sure that would give an impression to employers that SUSS students aren't very promising so that diminishes the chances of employability. I've also heard that the teachers there aren't very good.

Conclusion: So is it worth it to pay lesser tuition fees, but study longer and get a not so good GPA? (I'm just taking the average, gotta be realistic)


2) UWA

- Pros: it is the fastest of the 3 options to complete an honours degree. This will give me more time in the sense where I am able to either start working earlier or more time to gain experience through internships. I'm, also very keen on the overseas experience and although it is not cheap, it is still of a manageable cost. I'm also more confident that I will be able to score better in an Australian Uni (at least a second upper).

- Cons: The business school in UWA is not say very recognised as compared to UOM. So the question here is why study at a less recognised school if I'm offered to study at a more reputable one. (basically the only con being that the degree is not so reputable)

Conclusion: Is it worth it to score well and study shorter, pay an okay tution fee (willingly), but for a degree that is less recognised?


3) UOM

- Pros: The Melbourne business school is very reputable in Australia, and far more recognised as compared to UWA. As for its comparison with SUSS, it is hard to say because SUSS is still new. Still possibly the best business school in australia from a Singaporean viewpoint. Still think I am able to do better in an Aussie Uni than in SUSS.

- Cons:The only con would be that the cost to study there are, I calculated, 40k more expensive than UWA (which is a considerable amount).

Conclusion: Is it worth it to pay 40k more for a more reputable degree? (the extra 0.5 years as compared to UWA doesn't really bother me)


As said earlier, starting pay and employability do matter to me, but so does having an overseas experience. However, I also feel that there is a stigma among Singaporeans that aussie universities are for students who can't get into local ones, so I'm guessing that may affect the starting pay and employability too.


As much as I would like to save the money and study in SUSS, the cons are pretty considerable. Thus it is hard for me to tell which university will give me a better prospect in the future. Any opinions/advices?
 

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I'm not sure what's the concern with SUSS's reputation? I mean the honest truth is you can't just throw money into AU schools and make the problem go away. The fact is that if you enroll into AU schools instead of local ones like NUS or NTU, employers know that you probably did poorly in your JC/poly education and hence cannot attain a placing. So my point is please do not be too concern about SUSS's reputation or status.
 

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go to UOM if u can afford it. much more world renowned + the experience and the friends u network there is valuable. also serve as a ticiet for migration in the future (if u want it, we will never know).
 

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The reputation of aus unis in Singapore isn't as good as you think. Employers aren't that easy to fool, they know the reason why someone would go Australia for higher education instead of the UK or the US. Hence if working in Singapore, local uni > aus uni. However if working overseas, aus uni > local uni.
 

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why do honors in OZ? U can go for Masters without doing honors yr.
Biz degree to OZ iirc abit hard these days.
wanna leave try less popular countries.. generally further than OZ.
 

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why do honors in OZ? U can go for Masters without doing honors yr.
Biz degree to OZ iirc abit hard these days.
wanna leave try less popular countries.. generally further than OZ.

He never say he want to do masters.learn to read.u ask him go further? How far is far?ur not even helping him with his choices.Fail.
 

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I'm not sure what's the concern with SUSS's reputation? I mean the honest truth is you can't just throw money into AU schools and make the problem go away. The fact is that if you enroll into AU schools instead of local ones like NUS or NTU, employers know that you probably did poorly in your JC/poly education and hence cannot attain a placing. So my point is please do not be too concern about SUSS's reputation or status.

That is a very very wrong statement lol ,i got a friend with GPA 4.0 who is going to ANU/Uni Melb to study Psychology instead of your SMU/NTU/NUS in Singapore for reasons such as having a faster track to Masters and having it more recognized worldwide.

Edit: She was offered NTU &NUS Scholarship btw. My main point is you shouldn't judge why someone goes overseas with the mindset that the person scored poorly and can't make it into NTU/NUS.
 
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He never say he want to do masters.learn to read.u ask him go further? How far is far?ur not even helping him with his choices.Fail.

did u help with this post? U passed by EDMW standards?
did u read?
define help?

Hi, I am undecided in whether or not I should pursue a degree in SUSS, or in Australia. Since I intend to take up an honours, I will be presenting all duration in terms of how long it will take to get an honours degree. I have been accepted into SUSS marketing (4 years honours), University of Western Australia's Bachelor of Commerce (2.5 years honours) and University of Melbourne (3 years honours).

Some context: First of all, I am open to continue working in Australia, after uni but I expect myself to be coming back to Singapore to work. Also, I'm guessing it may be better if I intend to apply for an Australian PR (just if I intend to migrate in the future) but it doesn't really affect my decision. As for tuition fees, I do give some consideration to them, but all three are affordable. I also intend to pursue a masters, but I think I'll leave that matter for another day.
 

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That is a very very wrong statement lol ,i got a friend with GPA 4.0 who is going to ANU/Uni Melb to study Psychology instead of your SMU/NTU/NUS in Singapore for reasons such as having a faster track to Masters and having it more recognized worldwide.

Edit: She was offered NTU &NUS Scholarship btw. My main point is you shouldn't judge why someone goes overseas with the mindset that the person scored poorly and can't make it into NTU/NUS.

Local U is the best... there's a reason why NUS is top 15 in the world... (unless u are going to study in Ivy League like MIT or Harvard then it's a different story)
 

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Local U is the best... there's a reason why NUS is top 15 in the world... (unless u are going to study in Ivy League like MIT or Harvard then it's a different story)

The reason why NUS Is top 15 is due to research quality, if you only knew how much Singapore uni invests in Research quality ... bring NUS name overseas Europe and see who know it . Everyone knows world ranking is just a guide. Ivy leagues are lower rank than NUS btw (if you are playing the world ranking card). It’s not even any target for IBDs/ Top Consultancy for business , Econs departments pale in comparison to UK Unis. On top of your mentioned unis, there’s many more you didn’t mention that people would rather go if they had the $$ :).

I’m Not saying NUS isn’t good .. it’s good but if people had the option to go overseas it would be a different story. Don’t think it’s right to say Local u is the best but well, it’s your opinion but my main point is still regarding that statement .

Not to mentioned studying overseas has many others benefits that can’t be measured such as connections , opportunities and experience.
 
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The reason why NUS Is top 15 is due to research quality, if you only knew how much Singapore uni invests in Research quality ... bring NUS name overseas Europe and see who know it . Everyone knows world ranking is just a guide. Ivy leagues are lower rank than NUS btw (if you are playing the world ranking card). It’s not even any target for IBDs/ Top Consultancy for business , Econs departments pale in comparison to UK Unis. On top of your mentioned unis, there’s many more you didn’t mention that people would rather go if they had the $$ :).

I’m Not saying NUS isn’t good .. it’s good but if people had the option to go overseas it would be a different story. Don’t think it’s right to say Local u is the best but well, it’s your opinion but my main point is still regarding that statement .

Not to mentioned studying overseas has many others benefits that can’t be measured such as connections , opportunities and experience.

He is from EDMW where he is indoctrinated that Local unis are the best. usually people who think local unis are the best are not even local unis themselves or have not seen the world outside. How ignorant

Quantity and Quality of your professors and faculty members research =/= academic quality and ability of undergraduates
 

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The reason why NUS Is top 15 is due to research quality, if you only knew how much Singapore uni invests in Research quality ... bring NUS name overseas Europe and see who know it . Everyone knows world ranking is just a guide. Ivy leagues are lower rank than NUS btw (if you are playing the world ranking card). It’s not even any target for IBDs/ Top Consultancy for business , Econs departments pale in comparison to UK Unis. On top of your mentioned unis, there’s many more you didn’t mention that people would rather go if they had the $$ :).

I’m Not saying NUS isn’t good .. it’s good but if people had the option to go overseas it would be a different story. Don’t think it’s right to say Local u is the best but well, it’s your opinion but my main point is still regarding that statement .

Not to mentioned studying overseas has many others benefits that can’t be measured such as connections , opportunities and experience.

Do u even know what’s Ivy League? Harvard is in the Ivy League and it is currently ranked 1 in this world, how do they lose to NUS?

Of course u can’t say NUS isn’t good, Top 15 global university in this world, u think any tom dick n harry can go in? It is not an opinion but a fact :o

And I’m pretty sure local U has its fair share of connections/opportunities/experiences as well...
 
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He is from EDMW where he is indoctrinated that Local unis are the best. usually people who think local unis are the best are not even local unis themselves or have not seen the world outside. How ignorant

Quantity and Quality of your professors and faculty members research =/= academic quality and ability of undergraduates

People who don’t even know their facts but still think they’re right are the most pitiful... I’m from a local u but that doesn’t mean I’ll blindly defend local U’s... Just take a look at our NUS ranking ba... if u still think our local u is shiet
 
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People who don’t even know their facts but still think they’re right are the most pitiful... I’m from a local u but that doesn’t mean I’ll blindly defend local U’s... Just take a look at our NUS ranking ba... if u still think our local u is shiet

I don’t think our local unis are the best, doesn’t mean I think that our local unis are ****. Ok, you wan tto talk about ranking right? QS ranking said NTU is rank 11 in the world, and do you HONESTLY believe that the academic quality of ur typical ntu undergrad and the research quality of ur professors at ntu are better than those at Tsinghua uni and tokyo uni? If you want to talk about ranking then are you going to admit ntu>nus overall then?
 

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Do u even know what’s Ivy League? Harvard is in the Ivy League and it is currently ranked 1 in this world, how do they lose to NUS?

Of course u can’t say NUS isn’t good, Top 15 global university in this world, u think any tom dick n harry can go in? It is not an opinion but a fact :o

And I’m pretty sure local U has its fair share of connections/opportunities/experiences as well...


Hi,

For your information Ivy league consist of 8 Members.

https://www.ivyleaguesports.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_League

Brown University #53
Columbia University #18
Darmouth College #169
Uni of Penn #19
Princeton University #13
Yale #16
Harvard #3
Cornell University #14

https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2018

Your "NUS" is #15. Harvard is #3 from my source above. Where did you get that Harvard was #1 where NUS is #15?

So yes, i know what is Ivy league and 5/8 are lower ranked than NUS #15. What about you? Did you know Harvard was only 1 of the 8 member in Ivy League? :s22::s22:

Oh from your previous statement "Ivy League like MIT or Harvard" ... wow i didn't know MIT is an Ivy League... nice. Where did you get this information? From Tom, Dick or Harry?


Of course u can’t say NUS isn’t good, Top 15 global university in this world, u think any tom dick n harry can go in? It is not an opinion but a fact :o

Oh yes yes, i give it to you. It's good. But Singapore system is based mainly on results to enter which any tom dick n harry knows and results is not ONLY main factor to enter top universities in UK and US. Personal Statement, CCA, Reference letters all tell what type of person you are to the assessor (On TOP of great grades which is the standard entry- straight A's/ GPA 3.70 and above which what NUS sees only) . Seeing you are speaking like this, i can see you have no nuts about the outside universities requirements and information other than your Local U :s12:

And I’m pretty sure local U has its fair share of connections/opportunities/experiences as well...


Ah yes , so i was seeing EDMW you speaking about Business. Like i said, if you do enough research yourself, Business in Singapore has no targeted universities for Top consultancy firms or Investment banking firms if you are looking to venture in those sectors. Definitely some do go there but the connections/opportunities are very limited compared to the big cities where they have targeted universities to host networking sessions, tea sessions and companies coming down to give presentations to hire you. For example, Targeted IBDs in UK are UCL,LSE,Cambridge,Oxford,Imperial and Warwick. The world is very big outside world of yours and NUS already loses out in 2 major areas of Business compared to the above 6. Likewise in US there's also targeted universities but i let you google it to see some of the world for yourself instead of being stuck in your miserable small box.

NUS has its 'fair share' but compared to overseas universities and the diverse interactions , if 'fair' is sufficient for you then good for you! As for experience, yes i will agree you can do exchange and internships but its different going for 3/6 months compared to a whole 3/4 years.
 
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Aus Uni vs suss

Hi,

For your information Ivy league consist of 8 Members.

https://www.ivyleaguesports.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_League

Brown University #53
Columbia University #18
Darmouth College #169
Uni of Penn #19
Princeton University #13
Yale #16
Harvard #3
Cornell University #14

https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2018

Your "NUS" is #15. Harvard is #3 from my source above. Where did you get that Harvard was #1 where NUS is #15?

So yes, i know what is Ivy league and 5/8 are lower ranked than NUS #15. What about you? Did you know Harvard was only 1 of the 8 member in Ivy League? :s22::s22:

Oh from your previous statement "Ivy League like MIT or Harvard" ... wow i didn't know MIT is an Ivy League... nice. Where did you get this information? From Tom, Dick or Harry?


Of course u can’t say NUS isn’t good, Top 15 global university in this world, u think any tom dick n harry can go in? It is not an opinion but a fact :o

Oh yes yes, i give it to you. It's good. But Singapore system is based mainly on results to enter which any tom dick n harry knows and results is not ONLY main factor to enter top universities in UK and US. Personal Statement, CCA, Reference letters all tell what type of person you are to the assessor (On TOP of great grades which is the standard entry- straight A's/ GPA 3.70 and above which what NUS sees only) . Seeing you are speaking like this, i can see you have no nuts about the outside universities requirements and information other than your Local U :s12:

And I’m pretty sure local U has its fair share of connections/opportunities/experiences as well...


Ah yes , so i was seeing EDMW you speaking about Business. Like i said, if you do enough research yourself, Business in Singapore has no targeted universities for Top consultancy firms or Investment banking firms if you are looking to venture in those sectors. Definitely some do go there but the connections/opportunities are very limited compared to the big cities where they have targeted universities to host networking sessions, tea sessions and companies coming down to give presentations to hire you. For example, Targeted IBDs in UK are UCL,LSE,Cambridge,Oxford,Imperial and Warwick. The world is very big outside world of yours and NUS already loses out in 2 major areas of Business compared to the above 6. Likewise in US there's also targeted universities but i let you google it to see some of the world for yourself instead of being stuck in your miserable small box.

NUS has its 'fair share' but compared to overseas universities and the diverse interactions , if 'fair' is sufficient for you then good for you! As for experience, yes i will agree you can do exchange and internships but its different going for 3/6 months compared to a whole 3/4 years.


For your information, anyone google also know Ivy League got how many uni... no need for u to post here... want to know what Harvard ranking u can google also... and wow, u realised mit is not Ivy! Good job man I just testing you only :D

How other uk/us University accept people is another thing... we are talking about nus vs aus Uni here, of course I’ll talk about local u so I’ll stay on topic unlike someone :o

For experience/internship etc, it’s up to op(undecidedguy) to decide what he wants... be it 3 months or 3 years
 
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I don’t think our local unis are the best, doesn’t mean I think that our local unis are ****. Ok, you wan tto talk about ranking right? QS ranking said NTU is rank 11 in the world, and do you HONESTLY believe that the academic quality of ur typical ntu undergrad and the research quality of ur professors at ntu are better than those at Tsinghua uni and tokyo uni? If you want to talk about ranking then are you going to admit ntu>nus overall then?

Results show... surely a higher ranking Uni is better than a lower one whether u like it or not...
 
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