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I bought some shares last night and today. Will continue to buy if downturn continues next week.

However, weekend always a chance that someone will claim that there is progress in talks and the tariff implementation date can be delayed. :s13:
 

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I think there is no single universal trading system... one can have systems for each market condition and market structure. Filters need to be put in place to identify when one environment transitions to the other... and its during these transitions that most systems break down.
That's why all the system and quant funds invest in programmers and designers and are constantly devising new trading strategies.

I think for noninstitutional traders, they need to customize to your own edge and take advantage of their situation.
 

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The market attempted a rally even though the Fed was not as dovish as what it expected and that is a symptom of the excess liquidity floating in the system. It would take a major shock to remind everyone that there are risks out there and that one should not get carried away. We had that reminder last night with trade tensions escalating up one notch. Surely the narrative would now change for the downside... and this increases with the passage of time towards September if we do not have any positive trade news announced. That aside, everyone would now focus on the negatives and all the factors that were ignored prior may well come out and haunt the markets - things like slowing global growth, earnings recession, junk bond yields hitting negative, a depressed yield curve that points to increased chance of recession, a less dovish interest rate trajectory.... that said, I suspect that at some stage, the liquidity floating out there will find another excuse to buy up the markets and may well say that the case for the Fed to cut aggressively may well have strengthened. Just as I have deliberately not participated in the rally to the topside, I would not play this downside swing either. My preference is now for intraday trading until the Market resolves the excesses and my view of both market direction, technical, macro fundamentals and its structure gets aligned. The one play of a longer term in nature that I would engage in would be to add on to SG reits portfolio. (if we have attractive valuations.) The recent deliberation to increase the leverage allowed for S reits by MAS adds another positive.

Bought SPY 270 Put yesterday at 1.03 with S&P500 closer to 3000. Was quite surprised to see it easily pierce thru the 3000 level and accordingly the value of the put dropping to 0.93. And today morning saw the news about Trump's tweet, put value up to 1.78. Let's see if we get a good follow thru tonight.

Have been slightly short the Singapore market last few days ... for now maintaining that short.
 

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i think im lucky to have done some cash: stock rebalance before this slight dip
reduced my stock:cash from 20:80 to 15:85 since last fri. offloaded quite a bit of es3 and some iwda. thinking of reducing es3 exposure...


iwda peaked at 58.95
will wait at 53.0 to rebalance, if it happens.
 
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Bought SPY 270 Put yesterday at 1.03 with S&P500 closer to 3000. Was quite surprised to see it easily pierce thru the 3000 level and accordingly the value of the put dropping to 0.93. And today morning saw the news about Trump's tweet, put value up to 1.78. Let's see if we get a good follow thru tonight.

Have been slightly short the Singapore market last few days ... for now maintaining that short.

Nice trade!

My new scanning scripts shortlisted 11 stocks for me to trade last night... 10 winners and 1 loser was the result... however, I could not take all trades as it is almost impossible to stay on top of so many positions.

As a retail investor, you pay away quite a bit of spreads when dealing in options... so unless you are comparing the financing cost from cfd vs a leveraged position via option and find that the option route gives better funding cost?
 

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I bought some shares last night and today. Will continue to buy if downturn continues next week.

However, weekend always a chance that someone will claim that there is progress in talks and the tariff implementation date can be delayed. :s13:

This trade war news has happened so many times, I wonder how come people still follow this crap and not numbed already. I have lost interest now and don't even know who is having a war with whom. Japan and Korea are having a war, Then Boris Johnson is coming into the fray. Kim is launching missiles. In the past any one event would have tanked markets but now so many events and yet markets are don't know how to fall.
 
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This trade war news has happened so many times, I wonder how come people still follow this crap and not numbed already. I have lost interest now and don't even know who is having a war with whom. Japan and Korea are having a war, Then Boris Johnson is coming into the fray. Kim is launching missiles. In the past any one event would have tanked markets but now so many events and yet markets are don't know how to fall.

market sentiments. if you lost interest alr, market also can lose interest also mah. if u grew up in a warzone, when US declare war on China, you will panic meh? you continue to lim your kopi.
 

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Nice trade!

My new scanning scripts shortlisted 11 stocks for me to trade last night... 10 winners and 1 loser was the result... however, I could not take all trades as it is almost impossible to stay on top of so many positions.

As a retail investor, you pay away quite a bit of spreads when dealing in options... so unless you are comparing the financing cost from cfd vs a leveraged position via option and find that the option route gives better funding cost?

Wow that is like >90% accuracy. Superb system you have......
 

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Nice trade!

My new scanning scripts shortlisted 11 stocks for me to trade last night... 10 winners and 1 loser was the result... however, I could not take all trades as it is almost impossible to stay on top of so many positions.

As a retail investor, you pay away quite a bit of spreads when dealing in options... so unless you are comparing the financing cost from cfd vs a leveraged position via option and find that the option route gives better funding cost?

Yeah, its not easy to keep track of too many open positions. That's why I prefer just trading the index.

I avoid trading CFD except if I have to trade currency. I always prefer to go thru the exchange route with the clearing house as my counter party rather than the CFD provider.
 

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Yeah, its not easy to keep track of too many open positions. That's why I prefer just trading the index.

I avoid trading CFD except if I have to trade currency. I always prefer to go thru the exchange route with the clearing house as my counter party rather than the CFD provider.

I see. So you are more of a macro trader. I generally take the directional cue from the index performance and target stocks that has a track record of outperforming the index or underperforming to long or short. The index moves provide an advance warning for my intraday trades and cues me into entry or exit.

Futures indicating SP to trade lower but I think its going to be vulnerable to headline tweets. That said, the sell off volume has been amongst the largest in months and it looks like a bearish change of behaviour. Today is Friday so we may have some short covering / profit taking.
 

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European banks have been butchered. Most of them are near their Dec 2018 lows.

The S&P500 is hiding a lot of pain that is going on in the world, I wonder when that index will finally crumble.
 
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I would say that the effect of information may have time lag. Just because X happen, does not mean Y is necessarily happening. Everything Bloomberg says is just second hand based on today's market performance.
 

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A matter of time, just have to be patient though.

European banks have been butchered. Most of them are near their Dec 2018 lows.

The S&P500 is hiding a lot of pain that is going on in the world, I wonder when that index will finally crumble.
 

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Big spike in SP futures pushing it from -0.63% to green territory.

Futures back to red. This flash to green happened on large volume and even though it got sold down in the following 5 mins, it just looks fishy... Friday and profit taking or shorts covering... would not be surprised if the index trades down initially, makes a U-turn and close green today.
 

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Europe down 3%! And there is no exchange rate cushion either. Atleast in case of Japan the Yen has strengthened when the Nikkei has fallen.
 
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Hyper charging star!!!!

Oh! and of course, gold up!
 
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