The Spectacles Thread.

[oldbreadstinks]

yes i like the minimalist feel. but after put the lens in no longer as light as before............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz plus my degree not high also. 100 on each side.

wa liew. sibei disappointed with swissflex. still looking for a frame that is as light as swissflex and dun give me all the problems swissflex give me after putting on lens

What lenses were they? At 100 you shouldn't be feeling the weight that hard
Any idea which model of Swissflex it was?
Most problems went away only after Swissflex trend

 

[Seannie]

You need to get this inside your head. Hoya dominated the local market 20 years back. But may not even have a quarter of it now for good reasons.

So in your opinion, what do you think caused such a drastic change?

you are not being concise again. You cant give any specific reasons and instead throw the ball back to me. Obviously, hoya doesnt do as much marketing as crizal lenses, which is why crizal is getting all the hype now despite the lower quality control & research. Do you always see hoya being advertised as much as the other brands? Even zeiss is on tv. Thats the obvious reason that i can see. Other than that, you got to give me good reasons to convince me why hoya is not as good in your opinion, or the market's opinion. If you want me to get it in my head. You have to present smeting solid and sustainable.

 

[Seannie]

What lenses were they? At 100 you shouldn't be feeling the weight that hard
Any idea which model of Swissflex it was?
Most problems went away only after Swissflex trend

u think swissflex is good becos it fits u. Probably you do not have a bui head or flat nose like ahboy. Look at the reviews and you know that most people have problems with swissflex. If a frame needs to have so much adjustments in order to fit well, can u call that a good brand?? I for one gave up on it. For your record i used to own a swissflex too. Have personalised experience with it. I even tried out all the nosepad sizes that the optician could provide me. Simply couldnt fit. Threw away already. Disgusts me that it is such a hassle and the frame slips down in less than 20mins aftr i put it on. Imagine how many times i have to keep pushing it up everyday. And the giddiness that i feel. Dun frame itonly slips slightly, but that is after several hours when my face turns oily. And Dun is only using plastic tips & nosepads. Not even silicone parts. Imagine if you change it to silicone pads how solid they will sit on our face without much adhustments needed. For mine i do not want to change to silicone nosepads as they deteriorate fast and hassle of always needing to replace so i stick to their original plastic nosepads.

 

[oldbreadstinks]

Why should I take it out on you? Whether long or short is not the problem. The thing is u are not concise. U still don't realize it. Sme points u said it okay. Sme are just generalized, if not vague. If smeting is not just not good just say it's not good. No in between ones. If those blokes insist on a certain fit it doesn't mean they shd be left at that. Just mean that they are too stubborn to accept others advices and not willing to try out changes which could be for the better. I used to be one of them, insisting that the temples must squeeze my head as tight as can be adjusted, so opticians LAN LAN got to do for me. End up after so many years I realized that if there is any one optician who can be so confident enough to show me the way I wouldn't have so many problems over the years and spent half of my fortune to find out the answers the hard way. So u say I don't know what I'm toking?

different folks different strokes
I only tell people who want to know what's wrong, is wrong.
no point wasting energy arguing.
I list every thing out, you think over it. people shouldn't be told what's right or wrong.



this has nothing to do with confidence.
I usually tell them what's wrong, like say a guy I met who felt wrong recently, a customer,( not related to glasses.) by the time he raised his voice over his misgivings , it's time to just politely state " i don't agree but i guess if that's the case then ahhh.. that's how the world works?"
(he lost something and wanted the shop to warranty it and give him another piece, obviously no one would, but he's pissed)


and no if you look back you'll see things haven't changed. you just feel changed, your description of how you used to be aptly describes you and your reactions now.
I just can't be bothered to tell you off because I'm not related to you. no point telling people things that upset them and they don't listen.

if you're an uncle, you should know with the exception of really horrible personal experiences, people don't change
I do react differently to certain things which I have experiences with but I doubt my base character is that different from when I was 3-5years old
can only say, "chiu happyi can riaos"

If you want to be that exceptional optician with moral ethnics u will need to do wat is right even though some stubborn customers will have to be put off by what u suggest as the right way. Someday they might be grateful to you, even if there is no guarantee of that happening.

morals, is a personal thing you don't inflict on others
like I said, most of our interactions have nothing directly linked to glasses.
you're just a person who feels a need to defend your views. maybe it's a character thing, or like my gf, it's occupational.

I don't.
if you're right, you're right
why insist on convincing the other side

I'm not here to insist I'm right

I merely pop over when I'm tired of the insanity of edmw

but you took this pretty seriously enough to do character assassination to support your views

 

[Seannie]

Despite my discomfort with crizal, even their lenses don't turn yellow that quickly . Same goes for Hoya.
It's a basic thing. You have to expect your lenses to last a min of 1-2 years. And people can bitch about crizal, I rail against them every now and then but they have to be credited with current customers turning up maybe to tighten a screw , wash the glasses, without yellow lenses.

i have friend who previously worked in essilor lab got retrenched and currently works in hoya lab. His experiences with both brands of lenses basically say that hoya lenses is of better quality than essilor. The level of competency and experiences of the technicians that hoya employs compared to essilor already pre-empts you on the difference in the final product that consumers get. Better attention to detail, worksmanship & Quality Control.

 

[Seannie]

different folks different strokes
I only tell people who want to know what's wrong, is wrong.
no point wasting energy arguing.

I usually tell them what's wrong, like say a guy I met who felt wrong recently, a customer,( not related to glasses.) by the time he raised his voice over his misgivings , it's time to just politely state " i don't agree but i guess if that's the case then ahhh.. that's how the world works?"
(he lost something and wanted the shop to warranty it and give him another piece, obviously no one would, but he's pissed)

and no if you look back you'll see things haven't changed.
I just can't be bothered to tell you off because I'm not related to you. no point telling people things that upset them and they don't listen.

if you're an uncle, you should know with the exception of really horrible personal experiences, people don't change
I do react differently to certain things which I have experiences with but I doubt my base character is that different from when I was 3-5years old
can only say, "chiu happyi can riaos"

morals, is a personal thing you don't inflict on others
like I said, most of our interactions have nothing directly linked to glasses.
you're just a person who feels a need to defend your views. maybe it's a character thing, or like my gf, it's occupational.

I don't.
if you're right, you're right
why insist on convincing the other side

I'm not here to insist I'm right

I merely pop over when I'm tired of the insanity of edmw

but you took this pretty seriously enough to do character assassination to support your views

You are just getting more long-winded than ever before. And your points are straying all over the places, with no sense of focus and linkage and getting out-of-topic. I also cant be bothered about you. Im not even arguing with you, if thats what u feel. Im just straightening out the facts, or some of the views that you had. There is not even a need to defend my views. Like i said before, I speak from experiences, and from a consumer point of view, not an optician's. If what you said is of reason, I will think about it. If i dont see reason, i will ask you to support what you said and i decide for myself whether your reasons can be sustained, or practical at all. YOu dont forget that consumers look for practicality and value and most opticians look for profits. Unless there are opticians who can strike a win-win balance between themselves and consumers, I do not think those opticians who did otherwise has enough professional ethnics.

 

[inlhcmb]

Both of them really look like a kid!!!!

Move on la..... No right no wrong!!!

Who's to believe.... toss my coin

 

[Seannie]

I usually tell them what's wrong, like say a guy I met who felt wrong recently, a customer,( not related to glasses.) by the time he raised his voice over his misgivings , it's time to just politely state " i don't agree but i guess if that's the case then ahhh.. that's how the world works?"
(he lost something and wanted the shop to warranty it and give him another piece, obviously no one would, but he's pissed)

Oldbread, i am not teaching you what you should do, but frankly, you could have out of your good will and compassion, offered the poor guy to have his lost thing to be replaced without charge, or with minimal charges. It is also a way to appease your customer, or a chance to do his business again. In terms of both moral & business aspects, you could have done that. Instead of just telling him politely that there is no way you can help him. More so if you are the boss of the shop. Unless you still just a worker in an opticla shop.

 

[Seannie]

Both of them really look like a kid!!!!

Move on la..... No right no wrong!!!

Who's to believe.... toss my coin

I am prepared to let it go if that oldbread is willing to do so. But he just have to throw his superiority attitude out and be a humble pie instead of an old bread that stinks!

 

[oldbreadstinks]

i have friend who previously worked in essilor lab got retrenched and currently works in hoya lab. His experiences with both brands of lenses basically say that hoya lenses is of better quality than essilor. The level of competency and experiences of the technicians that hoya employs compared to essilor already pre-empts you on the difference in the final product that consumers get. Better attention to detail, worksmanship & Quality Control.

Essilor's business is better than ever, to the point when they can't cope with their orders having to rely on outsourcing. So if your friend was retrenched, either he don't have anything to do with their core business. Or it's something else.

As for the competency of their company, and it's operations.
I'm not a firm supporter of either. But I can tell you Essilor domination of the local market in the last two decades and Hoya's slide has to do with their delivery as well.
Besides the point you're actually using the words of a retrenched personnel, against his old company.

But in my initial posting here I've already said, Hoya has a tougher coating.
That's pretty much it. If you interview lecturers at Sp, you'll likely get a few who gives the same support to Essilor's varilux comfort ( an old lens ) as you did Hoya.
Mainly due to ease of fitting. That was around 5-6 years ago
The same lenses are still selling .
(Hoya introduced id /fd lenses since then, Essilor introduced freeform physio 360)

 

[oldbreadstinks]

You are just getting more long-winded than ever before. And your points are straying all over the places, with no sense of focus and linkage and getting out-of-topic. I also cant be bothered about you. Im not even arguing with you, if thats what u feel. Im just straightening out the facts, or some of the views that you had. There is not even a need to defend my views. Like i said before, I speak from experiences, and from a consumer point of view, not an optician's. If what you said is of reason, I will think about it. If i dont see reason, i will ask you to support what you said and i decide for myself whether your reasons can be sustained, or practical at all. YOu dont forget that consumers look for practicality and value and most opticians look for profits. Unless there are opticians who can strike a win-win balance between themselves and consumers, I do not think those opticians who did otherwise has enough professional ethnics.

It's a forum. You defended your views against anyone who disagreed. Scroll back and see. I said before we're still having this conversation because I didn't give in like the rest.
Everyone else disagreed, read your reply and "erm ok, I don't agree but I don't feel like dragging this on "

Besides I'm here throwing trivia and basic knowledge around and letting people make their own. Decision. That's my difference from you.

You kept doing character assassination, question my morals
Because I disagree with you.

Not because I said you're wrong but I didn't throw my personal opinion behind yours lol
Yet I'm of poor character despite not trying to influence anyone towards a particular product

 

[oldbreadstinks]

Oldbread, i am not teaching you what you should do, but frankly, you could have out of your good will and compassion, offered the poor guy to have his lost thing to be replaced without charge, or with minimal charges. It is also a way to appease your customer, or a chance to do his business again. In terms of both moral & business aspects, you could have done that. Instead of just telling him politely that there is no way you can help him. More so if you are the boss of the shop. Unless you still just a worker in an opticla shop.

And you have a tendency to reply me without reading into the details and say im vague
I already said its not glasses. It's a medical device not sold by me, cost thousands, dropped out of negligence. Why in the world should I appease him? I was there to let him rant lol

 

[oldbreadstinks]

I am prepared to let it go if that oldbread is willing to do so. But he just have to throw his superiority attitude out and be a humble pie instead of an old bread that stinks!

Character assassination again

Yet im off poor personal values in your view

 

[rainbowkisses]

Avoid Tokyo megane esp the outlet at pasir ris. Esp An old uncle name steven. Their service seems good which is why I purchase the first place, but afterwhich when there's some problem with it or when you need some after service like calling and ask more about it, they just hang up your call and throw words at you. Shock

 

[Seannie]

Avoid Tokyo megane esp the outlet at pasir ris. Esp An old uncle name steven. Their service seems good which is why I purchase the first place, but afterwhich when there's some problem with it or when you need some after service like calling and ask more about it, they just hang up your call and throw words at you. Shock

bro, lots of people doing business like that, unethical, u just got to be ultra careful the nextime round and dont be conned and fooled again! For those chain stores u cant expect execptional service and expect to pay cheap prices.

 

[Seannie]

And you have a tendency to reply me without reading into the details and say im vague
I already said its not glasses. It's a medical device not sold by me, cost thousands, dropped out of negligence. Why in the world should I appease him? I was there to let him rant lol

and... that is becos u have a tendency not to be clear and concise in your words. In the first place if u had said its a medical device then nobody will get misleaded. And even so you are going off-topic to have mentioned a medical device la.

 

[Seannie]

Essilor's business is better than ever, to the point when they can't cope with their orders having to rely on outsourcing. So if your friend was retrenched, either he don't have anything to do with their core business. Or it's something else.

As for the competency of their company, and it's operations.
I'm not a firm supporter of either. But I can tell you Essilor domination of the local market in the last two decades and Hoya's slide has to do with their delivery as well.
Besides the point you're actually using the words of a retrenched personnel, against his old company.

But in my initial posting here I've already said, Hoya has a tougher coating.
That's pretty much it. If you interview lecturers at Sp, you'll likely get a few who gives the same support to Essilor's varilux comfort ( an old lens ) as you did Hoya.
Mainly due to ease of fitting. That was around 5-6 years ago
The same lenses are still selling .
(Hoya introduced id /fd lenses since then, Essilor introduced freeform physio 360)

essilor business is doing well not so becos of better quality but becos of better advertisement. And those orders are bought in bulk and the quality is questionable. Yea maybe to the common consumers they dont really care as long as its a pair of lenses that they can see. For people who knows a bit of their operation and management background against hoya's, it is the obvious choice. Ofcos people have a choice what they want to buy. Anyway its their own money.

 

[Seannie]

It's a forum. You defended your views against anyone who disagreed. Scroll back and see. I said before we're still having this conversation because I didn't give in like the rest.
Everyone else disagreed, read your reply and "erm ok, I don't agree but I don't feel like dragging this on "

Besides I'm here throwing trivia and basic knowledge around and letting people make their own. Decision. That's my difference from you.

You kept doing character assassination, question my morals
Because I disagree with you.

Not because I said you're wrong but I didn't throw my personal opinion behind yours lol
Yet I'm of poor character despite not trying to influence anyone towards a particular product

You dont need to give in to me or agree with me. You just need to support your case with hard solid truths, and not general facts for people to decide. Common consumers will not know what is going on behind the scenes. Which you still have not provide concise enough. Im still waiting for your answers. Most of the questions you purposely left unanswered or unattended to. Either you have nothing to show for or you just didnt want to commit yourself. In Any case, it doesnt benefit the users. Your name or photo is not shown in the forum. Why are u so afraid to lay out the truths?

 

[Seannie]

As for the competency of their company, and it's operations.
I'm not a firm supporter of either. But I can tell you Essilor domination of the local market in the last two decades and Hoya's slide has to do with their delivery as well.
Besides the point you're actually using the words of a retrenched personnel, against his old company.

okie let me raise an example here why i said u are not concise. You said hoya's delivery is not desirable. In what sense? In what way? Can you explain clearly? Give an example? Convince me why hoya is no good. And why u think zeiss is the best in your opinion.

 

[rainbowkisses]

Avoid Tokyo megane esp the outlet at white sands pasir ris. With An old uncle name steven. Their service seems good which is why I purchase the first place, but afterwhich when there's some problem with it or when you need some after service like calling and ask more about it, they just hang up your call and throw words at you. True colors all shown. To him, customers dont have the right to speak, only he does all the speaking. Even the optician isnt professional at all. Shock