The Spectacles Thread.

[oldbreadstinks]

so in your opinion, which are the better single vision lens irregardless of brands/price?

it's all subjective but just like to hear your point of view

Eh... haha my general reply is to follow your budget

For a "wow" factor, probably Zeiss (it's the card I guess? )
In the neighborhood you can get it for a lower price, similar to other brands

I'm wearing Teflon myself, it's easy to clean.

Personally I take care of lenses very well so scratches isn't so much of an issue

But for those that suffered from it. Especially when taking a rimless or half frame. You need impact resistant lenses (polycarb which sadly scratches more )
Hoya tends to scratch less. Side by side comparison, I find their lenses less clear when placed on a table (mid range stuff ) but for lower tier stuff the scratch resistance is much better especially when you usually go for generic stuff.

One reason why crizal made such an impact is because people were used to pay same prices for generic lenses, top up $10-20 more and crizal makes a difference when cleaning.
But if you're using branded lenses in the first place, crizal wouldn't make much of an impact.

 

[oldbreadstinks]

Hoya = Satisfaction Gauranteed.

From a personal point of view. Thats probably the case for you.

I do believe in their lenses, and still do recommend them depending on the situation.

But their delivery sucks, not the actual sending but the way the customers receive the lenses.
Product is really not bad but too many horror cases
It's the only one I feel wary enough the check the logo to make sure no one tried anything funny.

 

[Seannie]

yeah, im sure it is

Your reaction after using hoya will be as follows:-







Super clarity (better than nikon)

Impact resistant (no chip no cracks unlike unbranded)

Superb lasting multicoating (dont cui as fast as the unbranded)

BAO JIAK!

 

[oldbreadstinks]

Your reaction after using hoya will be as follows:-







Super clarity (better than nikon)

Impact resistant (no chip no cracks unlike unbranded)

Superb lasting multicoating (dont cui as fast as the unbranded)

BAO JIAK!

That doesn't explain the shrinking market share

 

[ahhian]

most of the opticians in japan will recommend nikon if you ask them which lens is good. ive been to more than a few stores and most of them tell me that.

when i ask them what else, they will than say tokai because its the thinnest lens available.

2 brands they didnt mention was seiko and hoya. even when i ask them specifically, they just say that they are not bad.

they even intro me to their local japanese brands (not in-house lens) which ive never heard before but those are all made in japan lens. a pair of bi-as lens cost less than 30,000yen！ thats dirt cheap, if you compare to s'pore.

i feel that its how you preceive them. but when it comes to choices for lens and frames, japan is a much better and cheaper place to make glasses imo.

 

[oldbreadstinks]

most of the opticians in japan will recommend nikon if you ask them which lens is good. ive been to more than a few stores and most of them tell me that.

when i ask them what else, they will than say tokai because its the thinnest lens available.

2 brands they didnt mention was seiko and hoya. even when i ask them specifically, they just say that they are not bad.

they even intro me to their local japanese brands (not in-house lens) which ive never heard before but those are all made in japan lens. a pair of bi-as lens cost less than 30,000yen！ thats dirt cheap, if you compare to s'pore.

i feel that its how you preceive them. but when it comes to choices for lens and frames, japan is a much better and cheaper place to make glasses imo.

$3-400 SGD isn't affordable by our standards
Even in shopping centers the average amounts paid would be $200 or less for the whole set. Bi-as lenses are not so accepted here. Not when the usual attitude is, "can see can liao" "just give me cheap and good"

Then proceed to buy an iPad for $800-1000

For those earning 3k or Less, most complained $80 is too expensive for a pair of lenses.

Tokai has pretty good products here, but the service is like shit , and again due to non product related reasons it doesn't sell here.
The before they switched hands it wasn't so bad... it's atrocious now..



Btw, my guess is
The situation you felt in Japan,(hoya/seiko not being recommended ) can only be described as a political situation. It's somewhat similar here except we don't manufacture lenses ourselves.

 

[oldbreadstinks]

Going through hoya price list now. All bi-as lenses start from $400++ onwards? Bargain a bit and it should be the same as Japan?

Unless you're telling me they quoted you 1.74 bi -as for $30,000 yen?

 

[ahhian]

yes, 1.74 bi-as from some local jap brands. cant recall their brands though.

since u know the price list, how much is tokai 1.70AS lens (not bi-as)？ in jp, its $160.

 

[oldbreadstinks]

yes, 1.74 bi-as from some local jap brands. cant recall their brands though.

since u know the price list, how much is tokai 1.70AS lens (not bi-as)？ in jp, its $160.

Hoya 1.74 bi-as is $1000 here

Never started an account with tokai but last recalled 1.7 can't be cheap
Hoya 1.7 as is $550 for retail, even if you want to find old man shop to low ball, can't see it dropping below $300

But regular unbranded 1.67 as is commonly sold for $60-$120 depending on the area, with or without a frame

1.74 as probably lowest.... $200++??? Maybe? It's not commonly sought after so I don't really know

 

[Joelleyuan]

1.74 as probably lowest.... $200++??? Maybe? It's not commonly sought after so I don't really know

The C.C optical at Peace Centre quote me $190 for 1.74 which i find very reasonable.

havent collect my 1.67 lens i made last week. if its good n comfortable, next time really can consider making a pair of 1.74 from there.
my degree quite high, 550 & 700.

 

[noobzpro]

err i kinda decided to get zeiss or nikon....now the next question is zeiss has 2 types of transition....one is their own technology photocromic.....which is better any experience?? and whats bi-as??? i talked to the optician she say i need index 1.6? coz my degree low??

 

[ahhian]

both are excellent choices but i'm bias towards japanese lens

since you have very low degrees, i suggest the below:

Lite AS 1.60 with See Coat Blue Transitions or the normal Transitions coating.

you do not need bi-as for your low degrees.

err i kinda decided to get zeiss or nikon....now the next question is zeiss has 2 types of transition....one is their own technology photocromic.....which is better any experience?? and whats bi-as??? i talked to the optician she say i need index 1.6? coz my degree low??

 

[oldbreadstinks]

err i kinda decided to get zeiss or nikon....now the next question is zeiss has 2 types of transition....one is their own technology photocromic.....which is better any experience?? and whats bi-as??? i talked to the optician she say i need index 1.6? coz my degree low??

Transitions is a brand name, much like Nike or adidas.
The general term is usually given as photochromic or photochromatic lens

Zeiss sells transitions and also their own photochromic lens called "photofusion "

Cost wise Zeiss is cheaper, and somewhat slightly lower in "experience "

Main difference I would say is due to the coating. If you need a closer experience you'll need to request for duravision coating on the lenses which takes up to two weeks.

Not sure about Nikon's waiting times but transitions are mostly stock range so it should be quick.

Nikon starts from 1.6 , they don't do 1.6 here. So you get slapped with 1.6's costs even if you do not have a high prescription

Zeiss has 1.5 for photofusion, and if you need high index for prescriptions lower than -2.00 , it's probably due to frames which expose lens edges, (half frames and rimless )

 

[oldbreadstinks]

Any recommendation for tortoiseshell glasses?

Tortoise are endangered these days and you're not allowed to kill them to make glasses?

 

[Seannie]

most of the opticians in japan will recommend nikon if you ask them which lens is good. ive been to more than a few stores and most of them tell me that.

when i ask them what else, they will than say tokai because its the thinnest lens available.

2 brands they didnt mention was seiko and hoya. even when i ask them specifically, they just say that they are not bad.

they even intro me to their local japanese brands (not in-house lens) which ive never heard before but those are all made in japan lens. a pair of bi-as lens cost less than 30,000yen！ thats dirt cheap, if you compare to s'pore.

i feel that its how you preceive them. but when it comes to choices for lens and frames, japan is a much better and cheaper place to make glasses imo.

hoya is not a known brand in japan so you can forget abt asking japanese people again. Hoya is only famous over here. Optician here used to say nikon is good but not now anymore. Camera lens maybe but not for spectacle lenses. I tried once, damn blur. Then hoya never disappoints me, so i never look back. So its not a case of bias here. Its gauranteed alrdy. Don say i dont tell you guys. Later got problems not clear or you got chopped dont frown or kek sim okie.

tokia could be more known in japan. Seiko? Forget that also lar. Its being phased off liao. just like AO. Anybody did AO before? I did the last batch of AO before it was phased out even in msia. Its cheap. But reasearch & technology is old.

So. Hoya is your best choice la. Dont think liao. Just hoot first.

 

[strang3r9]

Wayfarer frame for prescription specs??

I've been looking and search around, just to find out there isn't much choice when it comes to this type of frame with prescription specs. I took quite some interests in Ray Ban Wayfarer, but I don't want the sunglasses...

Any idea where can find shop selling big range of wayfarere frame for prescription specs??

 

[Seannie]

It's not bias, just anecdotal.

its common anecdotal then. many feel that way too, not just me alone. just letting u guys know. but anyway if choose not to take my words also ok lar. No problems. To each his own risk. Willing take risk explore its ok. As long as you dont feel kek sim if u dont like the final product.

Nikon lenses i had before the multicoating is terrible (1.67 aspherical). The customised 1.67 double aspheric also had before, no coating problem, but problem with the clarity and the edging as well. Specially ordered lenses from japan i had the card even. Not sure where it was edged, maybe local nikon lab. But the edging work is sub standard. To you maybe its acceptable. But not to me. The lens obviously did not fit into the groove as well as i would have liked.

So far, hoya does not have many fitting problems. MAybe once in a blue moon there is exceptional one-off cases. BUt not always. Their quality is checked & controlled.

If you ask me between essilor & hoya, please choose hoya.

Nikon is already eaten up by essilor, whereas AO eaten up by Zeiss. NOt sure seiko kena eaten up or not cant remember. Hoya still standing. If the day when hoya's numbers are up, i switch to zeiss if no other choices left. Think for yourselves, how good are companies which become eaten up? Nikon now becomes under essilor. Will essilor promote and put more effort research into their own brand or the nikon?

 

[Seannie]

if im not wrong the meaning of "anecdotal" is to be unreliable, untrustworthy, based on casual observations or rumour.

That word is high insult on me. Defamation on my reputation.

 

[oldbreadstinks]

Another fight.... is this page going to turn into edmw too?

 

[ahhian]

just to clarify, essilor didn't eat/buy/take over nikon.

they went into a joint venture (50/50) in 1999/2000.

the company is called nikon-essilor co ltd.

notice how nikon brand is infront of essilor.

but who cares right, as long as they innovate and give consumers good products

Nikon is already eaten up by essilor, whereas AO eaten up by Zeiss. NOt sure seiko kena eaten up or not cant remember. Hoya still standing. If the day when hoya's numbers are up, i switch to zeiss if no other choices left. Think for yourselves, how good are companies which become eaten up? Nikon now becomes under essilor. Will essilor promote and put more effort research into their own brand or the nikon?