The Watch Thread - Part 13

[soilwork]

Good morning allll!!! Loong week....

 

[TeenTitan01]

some years back I was in a similar situation.......the choice is clear.

i kept waiting... and i'm surprised that no one posted this yet:

 

[yattokame]

i kept waiting... and i'm surprised that no one posted this yet:

i think only iceflight qualifies.

 

[slow_mo]

i think only iceflight qualifies.

Iceflight's should be this.

 

[TeenTitan01]

Ah Yeo Hia, I thinking of the below ... any comments ??
or any expert of tiong watch .. think this one can buy bo ??
any comments ? thanks

Spoiler

FIYTA Aeronautics Collection Automatic Watch

This one USD 499.99

This one USD 349.99

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/fiyta-...ontent=1495616304085.206057114151037923537559

bro reikizi, the layout of the dial looks like it could be powered by a chinese clone of the ETA 7750?

 

[wiz]

Chrono day

Beautiful shot thumbs up

 

[reikizi]

My sio sio orin orient

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[reikizi]

bro reikizi, the layout of the dial looks like it could be powered by a chinese clone of the ETA 7750?

yeah, shld be china movement ... never owned a tiong watch before .. so like quite chu bi leh .. ... its all HSBC promo fault make me think and think

 

[nexusRAGER]

Hi guys, i am planning to get a iwc mark xviii.

Was wondering what is the price range for this watch outside? Saw one at a local dealer for $4.9k.

Also can't decide to get the mark or a Omega planet ocean black dial at about 5.9k (Pricier but love the dial)

Thanks in advance

bumps

 

[sleepyman]

in the crazy world of collecting, several possible factors can contribute to an item's perceived value, of which rarity and defects which you've correctly mentioned are 2 principal ones. a subset of rarity is when an item is discontinued.

herd mentality also plays a huge part. once value start climbing, every man and his pet may start salivating for one, even those who are clueless or lack passion, either for profit or as a status symbol.

i am curious as to the original rolex explorer with painted dial. even though many specimens were produced during its long production history, they command a healthy premium today and aren't easy to source. anyone has any idea as to why?

- did the majority got abused as a tool watch till they got discarded?
- are they being kept for future profit?

My 2Cs...

To Qn 1..
Generally, rolex watches of yesteryears are certainly used more often for its intended purposes. These tool watches that in today's value would cost about $2.5K each.

For example the milsubs and Comexes produced and many are used for what they are made for. (rather than social appreciation and desk diving...)

Unfortunately, the best materials used at that time is inferior in today's standards and many of these timepieces could not withstand the wear and tear.
Many times, the original but "abused" parts get swapped during service...

So.. a watch with seemingly original parts and in good condition have to command high value! Not to mention those that age gracefully with beautiful patina and tropical dials!

For Q2.. most collectors i know are still very much enjoying their best pieces! They know that they might have more than gold on their wrists!

Good to be still alive after a long night!

 

[gaoxing84]

I think the purists will consider such a model a sell-out.

The explorer has, throughout its history, been produced in steel and only steel models, staying true to its tool watch roots.

Of course, one might argue that ceramic isn't a precious metal and is a progression to leverage on technology improvements..

ceramic does not quality tool watch because can crack.

haha now ceramic cause look more atas and nobody use it as a tool watch anymore.

more like a "haolian" watch and ceramic looks damn bling

 

[cichlid]

My sio sio orin orient

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Is this a Brazilian model?

 

[reikizi]

Is this a Brazilian model?

行家 spotted .. yes

 

[gaoxing84]

This is entirely my own take on your question:

Watches break down with age > broken watches are discarded
Even if the watches lasted, people inevitably like to replace old stuff with new stuff (consumerism?) > old watches get discarded

Furthermore, to my understanding, Rolex was but one of many illustrious swiss watch makers back in the days before the discovery of quartz revamped the entire watch industry and somewhat forced the 'creation' of the swiss watch luxury image/branding by the remaining players (that included Rolex). The desirability of a used Rolex from that era could well be not much more than a (with all due respect) Casio today.

To give a modern example, the first generation plain colour Swatches sold like hot cakes and should be aplenty in the market. Yet the current price for such original specimens are pretty high. I believe the same reasons cited above apply.

in short, rolex marketing is imbar.
from manufacturing tool watches and marketing tool watches as luxury watches.
managed to survived the quartz crisis and still is the top watch maker in the world.

like you say, older gen people, got their rolex from back in the day, never took off the wrist. if spoil, where they go? naturally RSC, what RSC do? sabo, change everything. full servicing means removing the dial, the hands, the crystal, and all that is important to the look of "vintage" and those are the ones that are considered valuable.

so even with the massive amount of sales rolex did back then and the amount of watches in circulation, many are destroyed in its own natural form due to servicing and of course spoil watches. therefore, those that are in good condition are the rare ones (which prices will shoot up)

why many franken (even with real parts). because watches that are spoiled, people lazy to repair, sold it cheap. watch makers who know their stuff, remove the hands and dial and try to flip it for profit or maybe install it on a totally different period watch and try to sell it.

RSC technician (hearsay) will keep the original dial (because its write off and considered as thrash) and try to flip it on the market, which is also why there are so many inserts, dial and hands for sale on the market for crazy prices.

the vintage route is a rocky one, so for those who decide to venture into vintages, please get someone who at least know their stuff for their second opinion. whatever i know is a tip of the huge iceberg.

those thinking of keeping some rolexes as vintage and hope prices will rise, i wish you best of luck because the game is always changing and what happens now may not happen in the future. and superluminova is never going to patina, stop dreaming.

 

[cyberet]

yeah, shld be china movement ... never owned a tiong watch before .. so like quite chu bi leh .. ... its all HSBC promo fault make me think and think

china clones are alright. recently regulated a moon phrase seagull for my friend.

He sweats abit, so the screws rusted, and coroded the case slightly. So while the case was genuine stainless steel, perhaps the screws aren't

On accuracy wise, its not bad
Dial facing up -2
Dial up -1
Crown up -7
Crown down 0
Dial facing down +1

I ignored crown up since he wears on the left hand, and won't hold his hand up often

Spoiler

 

[coern]

Relax one corner during lunch break.

 

[cyberet]

in short, rolex marketing is imbar.
from manufacturing tool watches and marketing tool watches as luxury watches.
managed to survived the quartz crisis and still is the top watch maker in the world.

like you say, older gen people, got their rolex from back in the day, never took off the wrist. if spoil, where they go? naturally RSC, what RSC do? sabo, change everything. full servicing means removing the dial, the hands, the crystal, and all that is important to the look of "vintage" and those are the ones that are considered valuable.

so even with the massive amount of sales rolex did back then and the amount of watches in circulation, many are destroyed in its own natural form due to servicing and of course spoil watches. therefore, those that are in good condition are the rare ones (which prices will shoot up)

why many franken (even with real parts). because watches that are spoiled, people lazy to repair, sold it cheap. watch makers who know their stuff, remove the hands and dial and try to flip it for profit or maybe install it on a totally different period watch and try to sell it.

RSC technician (hearsay) will keep the original dial (because its write off and considered as thrash) and try to flip it on the market, which is also why there are so many inserts, dial and hands for sale on the market for crazy prices.

the vintage route is a rocky one, so for those who decide to venture into vintages, please get someone who at least know their stuff for their second opinion. whatever i know is a tip of the huge iceberg.

those thinking of keeping some rolexes as vintage and hope prices will rise, i wish you best of luck because the game is always changing and what happens now may not happen in the future. and superluminova is never going to patina, stop dreaming.

agreed, lots of restored/polished/refurbished vintages.

a vintage 1950s citizen I bought recently was assesed to have a restored dial by my watchmaker, probably done in the 70s

the market is always changing like fashion/clothing.
in my opinion, panerai is a good example

 

[gaoxing84]

eh just to check, anyone joined me at the last cheapestnatostrap MO?

for this vintage sienna leather nato strap? lol

 

[gaoxing84]

agreed, lots of restored/polished/refurbished vintages.

a vintage 1950s citizen I bought recently was assesed to have a restored dial by my watchmaker, probably done in the 70s

the market is always changing like fashion/clothing.
in my opinion, panerai is a good example

wei wei wei panerai still rocks ok. hahaha but good, lesser ppl wear means i can wear more. LOL

so ah, vintage ah, its a hit or miss. educate yourself.

trust yourself and always ask a 2nd opinion before dropping cash

 

[rachdanon]

i think only iceflight qualifies.

Asked b4 but never seen him post his full collection. Maybe for him its kinda better not to draw unwanted attention and better kept under wraps in his security deposit box / safe