TP-Link Archer WiFi 6E/7 Router and Deco WiFi 6E/7 mesh solution

[Jurong640]

Starhub starts to offer HB410 dual band WiFi 7 BE6500 router at S$120. Hopefully the users can share their experiences. Thanks.

https://www.tp-link.com/sg/service-provider/wifi-router/hb410/

not bad to offer cheaper alternatives after simba start offering D-Link Wifi7 routers.

This BE6500 can be a good choice to mesh with the router BE805 which M1 provides. Currently, my Be805 can cover the whole house, including the far-end Kitchen toilet. However, I can only use the 2.4ghz if am in the kitchen toilet, the 5ghz signal will be quite weak there.

 

[linusz]

need a 6e mesh. is xe75 pro ok?. any more cost effective option?

 

[xiaofan]

need a 6e mesh. is xe75 pro ok?. any more cost effective option?

Why do you need WiFi 6E mesh? What is the use case? Example: ISP and plan, using Ethernet backhaul or wireless backhaul.

 

[Jurong640]

hi xiaofan, you mentioned starhub selling HB410 dual band WiFi 7 BE6500 router at S$120. Wonder how will be the performance for mesh together with BE805. Scenario will be doing wireless backhaul as I do not have ethernet through my kitchen.

You also mentioned HB710 might work better with EB810v or HB810 or Archer BE800 (IPQ9570/IPQ9574 CPU), as they all use Qualcomm chipset. Wonder what if it's with HB410.

Noticed that the HB410 is a dual band only wifi7, whereas HB710 is tri-band, which might be good for my wifi 6e clients

 

[Jurong640]

So fast got scalpers on Carousell selling HB410

 

[xiaofan]

hi xiaofan, you mentioned starhub selling HB410 dual band WiFi 7 BE6500 router at S$120. Wonder how will be the performance for mesh together with BE805. Scenario will be doing wireless backhaul as I do not have ethernet through my kitchen.

You also mentioned HB710 might work better with EB810v or HB810 or Archer BE800 (IPQ9570/IPQ9574 CPU), as they all use Qualcomm chipset. Wonder what if it's with HB410.

Noticed that the HB410 is a dual band only wifi7, whereas HB710 is tri-band, which might be good for my wifi 6e clients

Ethernet backhaul --> Archer BE805 + HB710, or Archer BE805 + HB410 will be fine.

Wireless backhaul --> Archer BE805 + HB410, not a good idea as HB410 is a dual band router. I will say it will be worse than Archer BE805 + HB710. If you look at my results, the link speed is not high but still pretty reasonable. But if you want better results, I tend to think another Archer BE805 is better.

HB410 --> most likely based on Qualcomm IPQ5322 chipset, same as HB710 (pending confirmation). The reason I say this is that I have two BE6500 rated routers myself (Asus TUF-BE6500 and TP-Link China TL-7DR6560) and noth are based on IPQ5322 chipset.

So fast got scalpers on Carousell selling HB410

That is fast.

 

[linusz]

Why do you need WiFi 6E mesh? What is the use case? Example: ISP and plan, using Ethernet backhaul or wireless backhaul.

wireless
Starhub

 

[xiaofan]

wireless
Starhub

If with Starhub, I will recommend you to get HB710 (dual 10Gbe ports, triband WiFi 7 BE18000). It is at S$192 from Starhub shop at S$192 cash and carry. Two units will cost you S$384. This is better than Deco XE75 Pro in terms of Wireless Spec.

 

[Jurong640]

Ethernet backhaul --> Archer BE805 + HB710, or Archer BE805 + HB410 will be fine.

Wireless backhaul --> Archer BE805 + HB410, not a good idea as HB410 is a dual band router. I will say it will be worse than Archer BE805 + HB710. If you look at my results, the link speed is not high but still pretty reasonable. But if you want better results, I tend to think another Archer BE805 is better.

HB410 --> most likely based on Qualcomm IPQ5322 chipset, same as HB710 (pending confirmation). The reason I say this is that I have two BE6500 rated routers myself (Asus TUF-BE6500 and TP-Link China TL-7DR6560) and noth are based on IPQ5322 chipset.



That is fast.

thank you.

 

[xiaofan]

Deployed HB710 for the Starhub 5Gbps plan installed today. Looks like no more issues of slower download speed on the 6GHz SSID (and 5GHz+6GHz SSID) when it is now functioning as the main router.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/starhub-ultraspeed-5gbps-plan-launched.7024290/page-238

Starhub hubtrooper just came and installed the ONT. Same Fibre port is used. Same Fibre cable is used as well since it is still good enough. But he passed me the box of the Nokia XS-240X-A with the new Fibre cable as well for backup.

I was given the free TP-Link EX510 (Aginet) as well. I ask him not to open the package, but I will open it later and test it even though I am not going to use it. Rather I conencted the HB710 to the ONT as the main router. Then I still keep the old Huawei AX3 Pro as an AP since some legacy devices may work better with it.

WAN speed from TP-Link HB710.

From my Acer Swift Go 14 2024 model laptop with XikeStor USB4/TB4/TB3 to 10G NIC, wired connection.

PS C:\work\speedtest\ookla-speedtest-1.2.0-win64> .\speedtest.exe -s 4235

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: StarHub Ltd - Singapore (id: 4235)
         ISP: StarHub
Idle Latency:     3.41 ms   (jitter: 0.62ms, low: 3.25ms, high: 4.78ms)
    Download:  4732.02 Mbps (data used: 4.7 GB)
                  3.07 ms   (jitter: 0.18ms, low: 2.87ms, high: 4.50ms)
      Upload:  4625.12 Mbps (data used: 3.5 GB)
                  3.95 ms   (jitter: 0.57ms, low: 2.78ms, high: 7.02ms)
 Packet Loss: Not available.
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/ba90a8fc-7972-4075-9682-d3685f6a4d8b

1m distance WiFi 7 speed, Acer Swift Go 14 2024 model laptop with Intel BE200 based Killer BE1750 adpater.

1. 6GHz SSID

PS C:\work\speedtest\ookla-speedtest-1.2.0-win64> .\speedtest.exe -s 4235

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: StarHub Ltd - Singapore (id: 4235)
         ISP: StarHub
Idle Latency:     6.88 ms   (jitter: 0.63ms, low: 6.51ms, high: 7.89ms)
    Download:  2900.68 Mbps (data used: 3.2 GB)
                 81.30 ms   (jitter: 14.50ms, low: 9.33ms, high: 185.79ms)
      Upload:  2196.59 Mbps (data used: 2.7 GB)
                  9.33 ms   (jitter: 2.76ms, low: 5.10ms, high: 30.21ms)
 Packet Loss: Not available.
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/658c8667-755e-48a1-893f-bb44ed6c0454

2. MLO SSID (5GHz+6GHz)

PS C:\work\speedtest\ookla-speedtest-1.2.0-win64> .\speedtest.exe -s 4235

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: StarHub Ltd - Singapore (id: 4235)
         ISP: StarHub
Idle Latency:     7.79 ms   (jitter: 3.61ms, low: 5.76ms, high: 14.18ms)
    Download:  2743.83 Mbps (data used: 3.1 GB)
                 85.17 ms   (jitter: 14.56ms, low: 4.94ms, high: 177.40ms)
      Upload:  1263.19 Mbps (data used: 1.2 GB)
                  9.39 ms   (jitter: 2.71ms, low: 4.98ms, high: 21.06ms)
 Packet Loss: Not available.
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/2c410e49-6c05-452e-b24c-9715398b7ace

3. 5GHz SSID

PS C:\work\speedtest\ookla-speedtest-1.2.0-win64> .\speedtest.exe -s 4235

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: StarHub Ltd - Singapore (id: 4235)
         ISP: StarHub
Idle Latency:     5.80 ms   (jitter: 0.94ms, low: 5.33ms, high: 8.27ms)
    Download:  1293.83 Mbps (data used: 1.2 GB)
                 49.32 ms   (jitter: 15.79ms, low: 5.65ms, high: 137.00ms)
      Upload:  1469.31 Mbps (data used: 926.2 MB)
                 23.33 ms   (jitter: 8.73ms, low: 6.29ms, high: 51.68ms)
 Packet Loss: Not available.
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/4de4280c-e11b-47a7-aaba-1d6f01cabe92

 

[xiaofan]

HB710 DNS servers settings. No DoT or DoH function. EB810v should be similar.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/starhub-ultraspeed-5gbps-plan-launched.7024290/page-238

For people who do not want to use default Starhub DNS servers.

Example for HB710.

Need to edit the WAN connection and set the custom DNS server in the advanced settings. You can see I am using Google DNS and Cloudflare DNS here, with both IPv4 and IPv6.

There is no DoH (DNS over HTTPS) or DoT (DNS over TLS) settings available for HB710.

 

[linusz]

This is a mesh wifi on easymesh yes?
How's your testing so far

 

[xiaofan]

This is a mesh wifi on easymesh yes?
How's your testing so far

I use it as a single router. Please refer to the above test results. I have also posted test results in the earlier posts in this thread.

I did some simple tests using Archer BE805 + HB710 wireless mesh as well in the earlier posts in this thread. I will no longer be able to carry out such tests from now on.

 

[Jurong640]

Tested out the MLO network on my BE805 for 2 days. Not testing out the speed, but more on casual surfing net and overall experience.

I often get laggy on website loading, apps pictures loaded very slowly. Sometimes fast and slow. No issues on other SSID (5ghz or 6ghz). Most possibly is how the router handles the aggregation of the MLO network.

 

[xiaofan]

Tested out the MLO network on my BE805 for 2 days. Not testing out the speed, but more on casual surfing net and overall experience.

I often get laggy on website loading, apps pictures loaded very slowly. Sometimes fast and slow. No issues on other SSID (5ghz or 6ghz). Most possibly is how the router handles the aggregation of the MLO network.

Interesting, what are the WiFi 7 clients you are using for the testing for the MLO SSID?

As of now, TP-Link Archer BE805 MLO is completely broken (slow speed and high latency) for our two Acer WiFi 7 laptops with Intel BE200 based Killer BE1750 adapter. But I am waiting for Intel driver update to see if the issue goes away.

 

[Jurong640]

Interesting, what are the WiFi 7 clients you are using for the testing for the MLO SSID?

As of now, TP-Link Archer BE805 MLO is completely broken (slow speed and high latency) for our two Acer WiFi 7 laptops with Intel BE200 based Killer BE1750 adapter. But I am waiting for Intel driver update to see if the issue goes away.

I'm using Wifi 6E on both my Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra and S24. I do not have any Wi-Fi7 devices to test.

So I relied on MLO (2.4,5,6) on both my devices. Like what you mentioned, slow speed, high latency

 

[burpz]

I toggled the MLO on for BE805, but I was not able to see it on my S25U.
A few moments later, MLO was toggled off on its own... Is it supposed to be that way?
I could see my neighbor's EB810 MLO though...

Also, there was a website that was blocked on wifi, but accessible on mobile...
Could not find a setting to remove filtering on BE805....

 

[xiaofan]

I toggled the MLO on for BE805, but I was not able to see it on my S25U.
A few moments later, MLO was toggled off on its own... Is it supposed to be that way?
I could see my neighbor's EB810 MLO though...

Also, there was a website that was blocked on wifi, but accessible on mobile...
Could not find a setting to remove filtering on BE805....

Just disable MLO in that case. It is anyway not that useful at this time. I do not have this MLO toggling on/off issue with Archer BE805, but it is completely broken with my two Acer laptops with Intel BE200 WiFi 7 adapters (slow speed and high latency with the MLO SSID, no issues with either 6GHz SSID or 5GHz SSID).

My Archer BE805 FW/HW version:
Firmware Version: 1.1.2 Build 20241210 rel.67416(5347)
Hardware Version: Archer BE805 v1.0

I kind of blame Intel WiFi driver but then no issues with MLO for my other dual band WiFi 7 routers (Asus TUF-BE6500, ZTE BE7200 Pro+ and Xiaomi BE5000).

As for website blocked, it may be blocked by the ISP DNS server. You can change the DNS server to Google DNS 8.8.8.8 and Cloudflare DNS 1.1.1.1 to see if that helps.

 

[xiaofan]

My wireless settings for Archer BE805 for reference -- nothing special now. I like to use CH60 for 5GHz (DFS channel) but it may not be suitable for you if you live near to the airport. It is also a good practice to set 20MHz channel bandwidth for 2.4GHz.

Edit to add --> today I decided to disable MLO to see if it will sort out the issue below in the next post.

 

[xiaofan]

1) Today is the second time I can reproduce the previous issue with the Intel BE200 driver + Archer BE805 combination (not the slow MLO speed issue). Looks like there is a compatibility issue here between the two.

Symptom --> 6GHz SSID cannot be detected by the laptop (the router says 6GHz SSID is fine). 5GHz SSID becomes very slow.

5GHz slow speed: link speed is normal but the real speed is very slow. Laptop is 3m away.

PS C:\work\speedtest\ookla-speedtest-1.2.0-win64> .\speedtest.exe -s 13623

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: Singtel - Singapore (id: 13623)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:    12.68 ms   (jitter: 17.80ms, low: 2.92ms, high: 46.97ms)
    Download:   304.54 Mbps (data used: 524.0 MB)
                 41.81 ms   (jitter: 24.09ms, low: 3.19ms, high: 161.79ms)
      Upload:   251.52 Mbps (data used: 258.4 MB)
                 90.72 ms   (jitter: 35.42ms, low: 13.19ms, high: 504.00ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/7a459cb2-3091-4dc7-b73c-f43ace9ec67d

2) After reboot of the laptop, 6GHz comes back and the speed is normal. But then 5GHz SSID cannot be detected by the laptop now. MLO SSID is only connected at 6GHz as well.

PS C:\work\speedtest\ookla-speedtest-1.2.0-win64> .\speedtest.exe -s 13623

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: Singtel - Singapore (id: 13623)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     3.70 ms   (jitter: 0.26ms, low: 3.29ms, high: 4.06ms)
    Download:  2425.95 Mbps (data used: 4.4 GB)
                 13.79 ms   (jitter: 6.13ms, low: 2.90ms, high: 65.92ms)
      Upload:  1455.11 Mbps (data used: 1.7 GB)
                  9.77 ms   (jitter: 6.57ms, low: 2.73ms, high: 225.47ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/e86d011e-8843-4e44-bf4b-5e7847f73011

3) After rebooting the Archer BE805, all seem to be back to normal. Both 5GHz and 6GHz SSIDs are okay.

5GHz SSID

PS C:\work\speedtest\ookla-speedtest-1.2.0-win64> .\speedtest.exe -s 13623

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: Singtel - Singapore (id: 13623)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     3.29 ms   (jitter: 0.21ms, low: 3.18ms, high: 3.58ms)
    Download:  1783.20 Mbps (data used: 3.0 GB)
                 13.15 ms   (jitter: 5.30ms, low: 3.79ms, high: 33.17ms)
      Upload:  1496.25 Mbps (data used: 2.5 GB)
                 22.90 ms   (jitter: 10.08ms, low: 3.42ms, high: 130.20ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/86017c4a-fbca-4bdc-a4e4-333beb97593d

6GHz SSID

PS C:\work\speedtest\ookla-speedtest-1.2.0-win64> .\speedtest.exe -s 13623

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: Singtel - Singapore (id: 13623)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     3.98 ms   (jitter: 1.24ms, low: 3.60ms, high: 5.91ms)
    Download:  2761.80 Mbps (data used: 3.9 GB)
                 14.77 ms   (jitter: 5.57ms, low: 4.73ms, high: 36.08ms)
      Upload:  2344.86 Mbps (data used: 1.9 GB)
                 12.40 ms   (jitter: 4.20ms, low: 3.42ms, high: 27.53ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/fedbde62-113f-4808-86dc-4df19ae97eb6

4) I am going to disable MLO to see if this issue still happens or not.