TP-Link BE800 - Intel AX200 vs AX210 vs BE200 got difference?

[seowbin]

As of Dec 2023, without MLO feature enabled (The firmware does support this feature)


Managed to get a unit to test for fun. Not a sponsored thread. Since holiday season, waste some time.

Took me a few days to test it since i had to put the equipment in a DC.
Within the DC i have another Google Home AP which i too lazy to shut it down


If you ask me buy now worth it or not, i would say worth it (if it can last you another 5 years without it going bad). Essentially, nothing else you can upgrade already in the near future.

Wifi 7 MLO coming june 2024 with win 11 i think? This 10G router can last you for 5 years or more. There won't be another round of internet upgrade anytime soon after you upgrade to XGS-PON.

Personally, i have being buying those cheap xiaomi router ever 2 yrs or so, 100+ each time to act as access point. Main router, i am using pfsense

Those who say not worth it to buy BE200 now, your theory is not true. The wifi card itself is still faster compared to AX210


1) Wired LAN with 10G RJ45 Uplink

2) Wired LAN with 10G SFP Uplink

 

[seowbin]

1) AX200 with 5 Ghz (Wifi 6)

 

[seowbin]

1) AX210 with 5Ghz

2) AX210 with 6 Ghz

 

[seowbin]

1) BE200 with 5 Ghz

2) BE200 with 6 Ghz

 

[hwzlite]

1) Wired LAN with 10G RJ45 Uplink

2) Wired LAN with 10G SFP Uplink

Seem that it can still induce upload ~10ms high jittter at upload.

Any chance test at https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat too?
As it has a local presence hosted under Cloudflare cdn.
Interesting to see results from your DC ( Shadow IT? ) perspective

 

[seowbin]

Seem that it can still induce upload ~10ms high jittter at upload.

Any chance test at https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat too?
As it has a local presence hosted under Cloudflare cdn.
Interesting to see results from your DC ( Shadow IT? ) perspective

web based, can't hit max leh
can't get close to even 5G. When i used the speedtest app, it can't go past 9G also. The test only lasted a few sec. Only cli can as it tested for a longer period of time. Got additional time to stabilize.


https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=81935f1a-9e6f-4e48-a565-f8a736a5c134 (wired - chrome)

https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=ebd815e8-8635-4e3b-9470-be8b0f11a8c5 (wired - Microsoft edge)

 

[sky1978]

1) BE200 with 5 Ghz

2) BE200 with 6 Ghz

Is the BE200 6Ghz test using 320Mhz or 160Mhz?

 

[seowbin]

Is the BE200 6Ghz test using 320Mhz or 160Mhz?

Should be 320Mhz

AP set support 320 Mhz, client side support as well.

 

[crystalnox]

1) BE200 with 5 Ghz

2) BE200 with 6 Ghz

Why is BE200 5GHz down so much slower than AX200/210?

 

[seowbin]

Why is BE200 5GHz down so much slower than AX200/210?

Don't know leh. Maybe some interference. All these is feel good factor only.

 

[xiaofan]

This article may be interesting -- Intel BE200 and MLO support (if the router supports MLO)
https://www.acwifi.net/26144.html

As per the author's testing:
Intel BE200: 2.4G+5G MLO，2.4G+6G MLO，5G+6G MLO，but no 5G1+5G2 MLO
MTK MT79xx: 2.4G+5G MLO，2.4G+6G MLO，5G+6G MLO，but no 5G1+5G2 MLO
Qualcomm WCN7851: 2.4G+5G MLO，2.4G+6G MLO，5G1+5G2 MLO，5G+6G MLO

 

[xiaofan]

@seowbin

It will be good to see if you can enable MLO and test Intel BE200 again. Thanks.

 

[Bumiputera]

Bookmarked

 

[seowbin]

@seowbin

It will be good to see if you can enable MLO and test Intel BE200 again. Thanks.

i just tested, no diff

 

[seowbin]

tried to download those insider version of 24H2...

speed lagi more jia lat

only 2.8g down via 10g nic card
(maybe my server CMI, stoneage server that doesn't support win 11 natively) but many cpu cores

wireless don't need to say, lagi worst

 

[kaon]

Just got the BE800.
I am not going to use its WiFi. Only using it as a wired-router.

Is it possible for the 4 nos 2.5G LAN ports and 1 nos 10G LAN port (total of 5 LAN ports) , to have separate DHCP and LAN scopes?

i.e. each LAN port supplies to a separate network switch, and the clients under one switch are isolated from the clients under the other switches.

What is this known as?
If BE800 cannot do this, can OpenWRT do this?

 

[xiaofan]

Just got the BE800.
I am not going to use its WiFi. Only using it as a wired-router.

Is it possible for the 4 nos 2.5G LAN ports and 1 nos 10G LAN port (total of 5 LAN ports) , to have separate DHCP and LAN scopes?

i.e. each LAN port supplies to a separate network switch, and the clients under one switch are isolated from the clients under the other switches.

What is this known as?
If BE800 cannot do this, can OpenWRT do this?

1. TP-Link Archer BE800 cannot support this function. I believe none of the TP-Link Consumer Routers have this function. In fact I believe none of the consumer routers from TP-Link/Netgear/Linksys/etc and many Asus routers will be able to achieve what you want.

Only some higher end Asus WiFi 6/6E/7 routers (with BCM4912 and BCM4916 CPU) may be able to support what you want using VLAN function (on the LAN side).
https://www.asus.com/sg/support/faq/1049415/

2. OpenWRT/pfSense can do that using two ways. I believe using VLAN is the more proper way.
a) assign different IPv4 address segment for different LAN ports, create the correct DHCP rules and firemwall rules
b) using VLAN function on the LAN side, assign different VLAN IDs for different LAN ports, create the correct DHCP rules and firewall rules.

3. I am not an expert in VLAN so maybe others can chime in to have more comments.

 

[kaon]

Thank you.
How do I run OpenWRT or pfSense in BE800?

 

[xiaofan]

Thank you.
How do I run OpenWRT or pfSense in BE800?

Not possible as of now for OpenWRT. Maybe possible in the future.

Impossible with pfSense.

Recommendation is to get an Mini PC to run pfSense. You have more choices with OpenWRT, like some ARM boards but I will recommend mini PC as well.

 

[kaon]

Recommendation is to get an Mini PC to run pfSense. You have more choices with OpenWRT, like some ARM boards but I will recommend mini PC as well.

Thank you. Too late for me, already bought the BE800. I was considering the ikoolcore r2 max.