Vinyl Flooring

[melankholy]

Any advice for house with vinyl. I don't think the screeding was done well hence some parts of the flooring can tell the vinyl isn't in total contact with the cement when you walk over it can hear it tap the cement. Are there any floor contractors that can save a botched job?

 

[johnong316]

Any advice for house with vinyl. I don't think the screeding was done well hence some parts of the flooring can tell the vinyl isn't in total contact with the cement when you walk over it can hear it tap the cement. Are there any floor contractors that can save a botched job?

Have you moved in? We called this air pocket. During screeding, the mixing of premix and water is not thorough. So some cement will have more water content. After screeding, the screed suppose to be even. But when it dries up, the floor level will go down as the water has evaporated. So those part that has more water content will sink down more resulting to slight unevenness of the screed.

Usually we cant tell by walking on it after screeding. We are talking about 1-2mm drop in 1-2 meters. But there some screeder who cant do their job well leaving a huge bump resulting to wavy floor.

So you case now is after vinyl you can feel the air pocket only or you can feel a big bump?
If just the air pocket only, the vinyl will settle and sit on the floor shape after u move in. If its a big bump, you need to get someone to remove the vinyl and screeder to grind it or patch. The cost will be around $1000. Provide you are using vinyl. If yours is SPC, the air pocket will not go away as SPC will not sit nicely on the cement floor no matter what you do. Unless you remove all the spc, do a self leveling compound and put the spc back again.
Removal cost $400, self leveling $1200. Install back $600. Also during removal, 30% of the spc cannot be used as the click is broken. You need to buy stock from the vendor you installed the spc.

 

[melankholy]

Have you moved in? We called this air pocket. During screeding, the mixing of premix and water is not thorough. So some cement will have more water content. After screeding, the screed suppose to be even. But when it dries up, the floor level will go down as the water has evaporated. So those part that has more water content will sink down more resulting to slight unevenness of the screed.

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Thanks for the solid advice.
i think mine is mostly air pockets where i walk on the vinyl and it sounds hollow. I did find some uneven areas when i installed my wardrobe and you could tell the floor is not totally level. Good thing im not moved in yet. Gonna get my ID to fix the floor issues when I do a round with him. Walking on "hollow" floors drives me bonkers

 

[The_King]

Have you moved in? We called this air pocket. During screeding, the mixing of premix and water is not thorough. So some cement will have more water content. After screeding, the screed suppose to be even. But when it dries up, the floor level will go down as the water has evaporated. So those part that has more water content will sink down more resulting to slight unevenness of the screed.

Usually we cant tell by walking on it after screeding. We are talking about 1-2mm drop in 1-2 meters. But there some screeder who cant do their job well leaving a huge bump resulting to wavy floor.

So you case now is after vinyl you can feel the air pocket only or you can feel a big bump?
If just the air pocket only, the vinyl will settle and sit on the floor shape after u move in. If its a big bump, you need to get someone to remove the vinyl and screeder to grind it or patch. The cost will be around $1000. Provide you are using vinyl. If yours is SPC, the air pocket will not go away as SPC will not sit nicely on the cement floor no matter what you do. Unless you remove all the spc, do a self leveling compound and put the spc back again.
Removal cost $400, self leveling $1200. Install back $600. Also during removal, 30% of the spc cannot be used as the click is broken. You need to buy stock from the vendor you installed the spc.

any idea why when i ask fora quota on vinyl, why they hardly ask homowner to do self leveling compound?


i only know of self leveling compound thanks to user form this thread

 

[johnong316]

any idea why when i ask fora quota on vinyl, why they hardly ask homowner to do self leveling compound?


i only know of self leveling compound thanks to user form this thread

Usually a good screed does not require self leveling. Even though not perfect as nobody can do a perfect screed. Our screeder is still able to provide a good screed for 5mm thickness vinyl.

Coming back to your question. If vinyl guy quote you for self leveling which is about $1200 for a 4bto. They will lose the customer if they are price sensitive as others don’t quote. Imagine screeding is about $1900. Vinyl $2500-$3500. Skirting $300-$400 And still need to do self leveling. At this price , I will propose client to do tiling instead.

We have done close to 1000s bto. Probably 200 that needed screed. But none require self leveling. I ask tell my customer to save the money and get themself a nice bed or sofa instead. But still not all screeder are the same.

 

[The_King]

finding the right guys seem to be hardest

 

[LoneTraveller]

u do know that tiles have grout lines.. mould / mildew can be trap in the grout lines of tiles and u cant really clean it with a normal mop or wipe down as the grout lines are indented ya?

Vinyl dont have this issue of grout lines. The Grout lines of tiles get black with dirt and mould too.

Just use magic sponge to clean will do. Not a major effort. Been there done that..

 

[compro_1975]

are there vinyl that looks like white marble tiles? my feel on vinyl is they are all rough and not cold.... tho i know marble suits me best, but cost is an issue to me now......

 

[OneMantou]

I found out that vinyl flooring will need a bit of gap with the wall. so will need skirting to cover this gap. As this skirting quite thick, existing skirting will need to be hacked (extra cost and irreplaceable process)...

Anyone has done any substitute solution? I saw stick-on skirting strips on Taobao.

Also anyone has done their flooring using vinyl flooring from Taobao seller? It's abt $10+ for 1sqm..

 

[The_King]

I found out that vinyl flooring will need a bit of gap with the wall. so will need skirting to cover this gap. As this skirting quite thick, existing skirting will need to be hacked (extra cost and irreplaceable process)...

Anyone has done any substitute solution? I saw stick-on skirting strips on Taobao.

Also anyone has done their flooring using vinyl flooring from Taobao seller? It's abt $10+ for 1sqm..

i alway wonder how the gap with the wall is install. btw is that area the gap with the wall sealed?

 

[OneMantou]

i alway wonder how the gap with the wall is install. btw is that area the gap with the wall sealed?

I forgot to ask between tile and wall
The gap is for expansion allowance

There should be sealant between tile and vinyl skirting. Since there is no "click lock" between tile and skirting, any anti-seepage will be dependent entirely on workmanship..

 

[The_King]

I forgot to ask between tile and wall
The gap is for expansion allowance

There should be sealant between tile and vinyl skirting. Since there is no "click lock" between tile and skirting, any anti-seepage will be dependent entirely on workmanship..

thanks a lot, i love this type of pros and cons, it make me decide better

thanks

 

[compro_1975]

what if the tiles below the Vinyl flooring pops ?


i will be doing Vinyl overlay my Sales Of Balance flat. Tiles already installed.

I read from online a fair area have to be discarded due to the pop

 

[johnong316]

are there vinyl that looks like white marble tiles? my feel on vinyl is they are all rough and not cold.... tho i know marble suits me best, but cost is an issue to me now......

yes there is. It some how look nice on photo. But it lack the lustre of classiness in the real marble. Marble design vinyl is dull and matt.

 

[johnong316]

I read from online a fair area have to be discarded due to the pop

we have done those 20-30 years hdb with tiles giving way soon. Once tiles pop up, we can remove the vinyl, hacked away the popped tiles and smoothen it. And install the vinyl back. However, it come with a cost. One need to measure and weigh the pros and cons and the possibility of popped tiles. From my 5 years in vinyl business, I encountered 2-3 such cases of popped tiles after vinyl. Most of the time is owner wants to install vinyl AFTER the tiles popped up. As they are staying there and overlay vinyl seem to be their most convenient option.

 

[matrix05]

we have done those 20-30 years hdb with tiles giving way soon. Once tiles pop up, we can remove the vinyl, hacked away the popped tiles and smoothen it. And install the vinyl back. However, it come with a cost. One need to measure and weigh the pros and cons and the possibility of popped tiles. From my 5 years in vinyl business, I encountered 2-3 such cases of popped tiles after vinyl. Most of the time is owner wants to install vinyl AFTER the tiles popped up. As they are staying there and overlay vinyl seem to be their most convenient option.

What do you think of vinyl overlay over existing interior staircase? Current staircase is overlay with solid wood (some damages due to old age and water leakage).

 

[dilphinus]

What do you think of vinyl overlay over existing interior staircase? Current staircase is overlay with solid wood (some damages due to old age and water leakage).

Able to add wood fillers and polish the current wood?

 

[OneMantou]

we have done those 20-30 years hdb with tiles giving way soon. Once tiles pop up, we can remove the vinyl, hacked away the popped tiles and smoothen it. And install the vinyl back. However, it come with a cost. One need to measure and weigh the pros and cons and the possibility of popped tiles. From my 5 years in vinyl business, I encountered 2-3 such cases of popped tiles after vinyl. Most of the time is owner wants to install vinyl AFTER the tiles popped up. As they are staying there and overlay vinyl seem to be their most convenient option.

In these cases, how to settle the issue of the gap (for allowance of expansion) between the vinyl tile and current skirting? Need to hack all current skirting in the affected area in order to use vinyl flooring as a solution for popped tiles?

 

[johnong316]

In these cases, how to settle the issue of the gap (for allowance of expansion) between the vinyl tile and current skirting? Need to hack all current skirting in the affected area in order to use vinyl flooring as a solution for popped tiles?

I dont understand your point. Different house has different way of laying the vinyl. Some house hack away their skirting and put a new pvc skirting. Some house overlay vinyl stripe on their existing tiles skirting. Some house paint their existing tiles skirting to match the vinyl color. Some house simply just leave the skirting untouched. I dont understand in the context of repairing popped tiles got to do with skirting.

Leaving a gap for expansion is meant for laminate flooring. Not vinyl. A compatible vinyl will attain dimension stability with non existence or minimal expansion and contraction issue in local home context. We are talking about 25 to 35 degree. In my showroom (direct west sun facing), we laid the vinyl till the edge of the wall tightly without leaving any gaps and no skirting was used.

 

[johnong316]

What do you think of vinyl overlay over existing interior staircase? Current staircase is overlay with solid wood (some damages due to old age and water leakage).

usually parquet staircase will have a protruding round profile at the step edge. Resulting the steps is not a sharp 90 degree edge. In such we cant overlay vinyl on parquet steps. Imagine i need to place a vertical piece and a horizonal piece together at each steps and a L profile to cover up both planks connecting part. It cannot be done on a parquet steps.

I suggest you can varnish it and those guy will help to put sealer on any gaps on the floor.