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[Inexpressible]

Hi guys , I got a question.

Let just say I had developed a database driven web application in my local machine, and I want to host it.

All I just need to do is to buy a domain from a web hosting company, and dump all my files there ? How is the process and procedure like ?

I understand that when we were to develop a web app in our local machine, we uses IDE (Eclipse/Netbeans/WebMatrix) to develop our java or php web applications, we also set up our tomcat and sql enviroment.

I was kinda puzzled if we need to do those set up when we host our web app, and how do we do it.

For database we still need to run our scripts first to create the tables.

Sort of confused

 

[davidktw]

Hi guys , I got a question.

Let just say I had developed a database driven web application in my local machine, and I want to host it.

All I just need to do is to buy a domain from a web hosting company, and dump all my files there ? How is the process and procedure like ?

I understand that when we were to develop a web app in our local machine, we uses IDE (Eclipse/Netbeans/WebMatrix) to develop our java or php web applications, we also set up our tomcat and sql enviroment.

I was kinda puzzled if we need to do those set up when we host our web app, and how do we do it.

For database we still need to run our scripts first to create the tables.

Sort of confused

If your database is the same as the target, assuming we are talking about the popular MySQL server. All you need to do is dump out the schema and data using mysqldump or phpMyAdmin, if you have it installed locally. You will get a file full of sql statements that will construct the schema and also with data(unless you chose not to).

Most web hosting company offers phpMyAdmin for tenants to administrate their database, you can import using the tool via web browser. This is database migration. If your web hosting offers shell access, then you can connect to the database using mysql client utility.

After that, you can deploy your application over in any ways available to you. I have so far only work with PHP application via web hosting. My experience with Java deployment is equivalent to VPS with shell access and I install servlet containers myself, so I have total control how things are to be done.

If your web hosting offers only web console to allow you deploy your java web app, then that's how it will be done. Shell access will be more flexible

 

[Inexpressible]

Ok understood.

So basically just dump all my files there, and dump my schema to generate the mysql tables. I will try it then.

For php i using webmatrix, fast and convenient, no set up needed, but lack of debugger like those java/jsp with netbeans/eclipse.

Got any good php IDE to recommend ?

 

[davidktw]

Ok understood.

So basically just dump all my files there, and dump my schema to generate the mysql tables. I will try it then.

For php i using webmatrix, fast and convenient, no set up needed, but lack of debugger like those java/jsp with netbeans/eclipse.

Got any good php IDE to recommend ?

vim, stderr, stdout, log files are my good friends. I don't need IDE 99% of the time

 

[blade07]

Hi all,

I'm lost in the discussion here. Would like to actually find out what web hosting company would u guys recommend?
Asking for a relative who is setting up a website for his company and need emails for like 20 staff.
Important aspect would be that it has to be accessible in China as the client base would be from there.
He is on yahoo now, but it has quite a lot of down time esp when in China.
Any help would be much appreciated. I don't know **** about such stuff

Also would need a recommendation on the domain name hosting

 

[davidktw]

Hi all,

I'm lost in the discussion here. Would like to actually find out what web hosting company would u guys recommend?
Asking for a relative who is setting up a website for his company and need emails for like 20 staff.
Important aspect would be that it has to be accessible in China as the client base would be from there.
He is on yahoo now, but it has quite a lot of down time esp when in China.
Any help would be much appreciated. I don't know **** about such stuff

Also would need a recommendation on the domain name hosting

China is a different ball game from the rest of the world. China has the GFW inbetween where they protect aggressively. Thus it will not be ideal to have services outside of China, if you want good service. For such cases, it's better your relative engage web and email hosting, one in China and the other outside of China. If not, your relative will need to use VPN services found in China which is not exactly the official approach to access resources outside of China.

Domain hosting can be anywhere outside of China, that should be quite alright. I believe most domain registrar is accessible from Chna, just that the actual data ports are blocked or throttled at times.

I wouldn't be able to advise for services in China, perhaps others whom are in it can help.

 

[blade07]

China is a different ball game from the rest of the world. China has the GFW inbetween where they protect aggressively. Thus it will not be ideal to have services outside of China, if you want good service. For such cases, it's better your relative engage web and email hosting, one in China and the other outside of China. If not, your relative will need to use VPN services found in China which is not exactly the official approach to access resources outside of China.

Domain hosting can be anywhere outside of China, that should be quite alright. I believe most domain registrar is accessible from Chna, just that the actual data ports are blocked or throttled at times.

I wouldn't be able to advise for services in China, perhaps others whom are in it can help.

Thanks for the quick response!
So domain hosting could be everywhere? Where would u recommend?

For web n email hosting, do u mean I should web host in china and email host outside of china?

In that case, where should I host the email?

 

[davidktw]

Thanks for the quick response!
So domain hosting could be everywhere? Where would u recommend?

For web n email hosting, do u mean I should web host in china and email host outside of china?

In that case, where should I host the email?

Godaddy for domain should be fine. I have been using it for years.

I may have written in a confusing manner. What I meant is have webhosting both in China and also outside of China to cater to different users from different part of the world. Use different suffix domain names. International ends with ".com", China ends with ".cn"

As for email hosting, it's tricky since it doesn't make sense to split them. Your relative might want to source out major providers in China whom can assure accessibility outside of China.I have always been helping one of my colleague whom is constantly in and out of China, but have intermittent difficulties accessing office email situated in Amazon Web Services today.

I recommended him VPN services in China that can break out into the world, but for daily operations, it's not advisable. So if your relative can live with 2 different email domain, one ends with ".cn" and the other ends with ".com", then things will be easier.

One can always use smart mailbox features found in native email clients to consolidate mails found in different account into the same view.

I don't have actual company recommendation for web and email hosting inside China, I will let others with actual experience on this to advise.

 

[blade07]

Godaddy for domain should be fine. I have been using it for years.

I may have written in a confusing manner. What I meant is have webhosting both in China and also outside of China to cater to different users from different part of the world. Use different suffix domain names. International ends with ".com", China ends with ".cn"

As for email hosting, it's tricky since it doesn't make sense to split them. Your relative might want to source out major providers in China whom can assure accessibility outside of China.I have always been helping one of my colleague whom is constantly in and out of China, but have intermittent difficulties accessing office email situated in Amazon Web Services today.

I recommended him VPN services in China that can break out into the world, but for daily operations, it's not advisable. So if your relative can live with 2 different email domain, one ends with ".cn" and the other ends with ".com", then things will be easier.

One can always use smart mailbox features found in native email clients to consolidate mails found in different account into the same view.

I don't have actual company recommendation for web and email hosting inside China, I will let others with actual experience on this to advise.

Oh that's clear now. Okok so for outside china, which few web hosting would u recommend ??

I know I have to use a different one from domain host right?

 

[davidktw]

Oh that's clear now. Okok so for outside china, which few web hosting would u recommend ??

I know I have to use a different one from domain host right?

".cn" is China regional domain, so most likely will require registrar in China to manage, just the same for ".sg". ".com" can be from godaddy if you like.

I have come across Singapore Web hosting | Linux VPS | Windows VPS | Cloud Server, seems alright to me. One manage typical web hosting, it's local company. I have grown out of using normal web hosting since I have the skill set to use the cloud. If your relative is looking for more, want to try the cloud hype with more flexibility, you can try AWS.

I don't have much of other good web hosting experience that is suitable to recommend your relative.

 

[blade07]

".cn" is China regional domain, so most likely will require registrar in China to manage, just the same for ".sg". ".com" can be from godaddy if you like.

I have come across Singapore Web hosting | Linux VPS | Windows VPS | Cloud Server, seems alright to me. One manage typical web hosting, it's local company. I have grown out of using normal web hosting since I have the skill set to use the cloud. If your relative is looking for more, want to try the cloud hype with more flexibility, you can try AWS.

I don't have much of other good web hosting experience that is suitable to recommend your relative.

Hmmm that sounds complicated. I think basic web hosting should be enough for now. He won't know so much too.

Thanks for the recommendation , so far I have listed:
Usonyx
AWS
VODIEN

Have you tried usonyx before? Would like one which I can rely on so I would not need to bother about changing it anytime soon

 

[davidktw]

Hmmm that sounds complicated. I think basic web hosting should be enough for now. He won't know so much too.

Thanks for the recommendation , so far I have listed:
Usonyx
AWS
VODIEN

Have you tried usonyx before? Would like one which I can rely on so I would not need to bother about changing it anytime soon

I didn't use Usonyx myself, but have been constantly helping my friend to manage his website that is hosted with them. Not the cheapest solution, but not expensive either. Have encountered 2~3 times downtime, but very infrequent. Pretty responsive when coming to trouble ticket. I am not an easy administrator to deal with, so I normally F them upside down if certain things are not up to my expectation.

That been said, there isn't any web hosting today really up to my expectation. Maybe because of my experience that I normally have higher expectation, that's why I rather go for VPS, but now, VPS pricing isn't attractive anymore.

 

[blade007]

I didn't use Usonyx myself, but have been constantly helping my friend to manage his website that is hosted with them. Not the cheapest solution, but not expensive either. Have encountered 2~3 times downtime, but very infrequent. Pretty responsive when coming to trouble ticket. I am not an easy administrator to deal with, so I normally F them upside down if certain things are not up to my expectation.

That been said, there isn't any web hosting today really up to my expectation. Maybe because of my experience that I normally have higher expectation, that's why I rather go for VPS, but now, VPS pricing isn't attractive anymore.

oh okok. Sounds ok. Am not that concerned over the cost. Currently paying like 20USD/mth for Yahoo. But still quite a no. of issues in China.

maybe i should ask him to give Usonyx a try.

How much would VPS cost? could be a consideration if price is still within limit.

 

[voldermord]

oh okok. Sounds ok. Am not that concerned over the cost. Currently paying like 20USD/mth for Yahoo. But still quite a no. of issues in China.

maybe i should ask him to give Usonyx a try.

How much would VPS cost? could be a consideration if price is still within limit.

as a long term customer of hostsg vps for my business stuff, and also their subsidiary Oneasiahost, i suggest you try OAH for vps. Cheapest vps in singapore i ever seen, and its one of the best. Google for them.

 

[davidktw]

oh okok. Sounds ok. Am not that concerned over the cost. Currently paying like 20USD/mth for Yahoo. But still quite a no. of issues in China.

maybe i should ask him to give Usonyx a try.

How much would VPS cost? could be a consideration if price is still within limit.

Singapore VPS is pretty pricy, US VPS is cheaper. You can find usonyx offering here @ https://store.usonyx.net/cart/linux-vps/
It's ~SGD25 monthly for 2xCPU,500MB mem, 20GB(15GB avail) space.

If I may recommend a more RAW form of VPS using AWS.
Using micro instance, you get 1CPU(burst up to 2), 640MB men, 8GB(2GB for OS) storage space. Each month will cost you USD14.88=~SGD20

For the first year, your micro instance is free, means you don't have to pay for the instance.

You need to pay for traffic, storage I/O which amount to how busy your site is, is actually very cheap. You can read more from Amazon EC2 Pricing, Pay as you go for Cloud Computing Services

After 1 year where you are no longer subsides by the free web tier, you can opt for reserve instance of 1 or 3 yr term, which means for the same micro instance, instead of paying USD14.88/month, you will be paying USD11/month =~SGD14

However you will also need to pay for outgoing traffic data of 0.19USD/GB. Assuming your site is so busy that download happens at 100GB/month, it will cost you USD19. Remember just because usual VPS can go up to 2000GB doesn't mean your site is using it, and doesn't mean the pipeline can sustain high traffic. AWS is a different beast from small scale VPS company.

Disk I/O will also cost, but usually not a lot unless you have a storage intensive application running. Web server is not I/O intensive. It will cost you USD0.11/million requests and USD0.11/GB of provisioned storage. It means for extra 100GB, it will only cost you USD11/month. Usonyx is SGD0.5/GB, you can do the math yourself.

All in all, AWS gives you economy of scale that small scale VPS company can't offer.

You can do backup by a single click via the management console. The cost is incremental but the backup is full snapshot. Recover is as simple as a few clicks. You can perform backup every hour and it still cost the same as daily Only a few cloud computing offers such behaviour.

Well I can't stress more on what AWS can offer. Since it's almost free for the first year, there is no reason to not try out and understand what you can reap from it. It has tons of features to offer that small scale VPS cannot match

 

[GPGT.org]

I have no idea why everyone is recommending/going to web hosting in Singapore? Bandwidth is expensive, ram allocation is low, probably limited 24/7 support, stingy hdd space and worst of all, most do not own their own datacenters and not forgetting price is definitely no cheaper.

For backups & storage, I go for Amazon S3 (pay as you go)
For just static pages/elements, I go for Rackspace Cloud Files (pay as you go)
For VPS/dedicated, I go for US hosting with fully managed option
For hosting that requires scalable operations, I go for Cloud Computing/CDN

 

[vololo]

Hey guys found a local hosting provider through a friend called sghostmart, their quite new but i found them to be very stable and fast. Their connections all based here so everything runs really snappy. Their 24/7 support is very reliable and all their plans comes with unlimited bandwidth.

Been using for 1 month so far so good.
Went to their FB page and saw their actually really new thus explains their limited services.

 

[skysurfer78]

Firstly, introduce myself, I was a programmer about 10 years ago and familiar with PHP and mySQL (around 2002). Now, I am still in IT line but for non-technical stuff.

I am now looking to start up sth new. From a start I just need a web hosting that support a website that offers:
- Out of the box membership management module (is it possible to include directly or I have to code and create db tables myself)
- Out of the box shopping cart (future expansion that I may choose to turn on after 6 months or 1 year)
- Some comments/like feature of product that I offer
- Search box that can configure to crawl my product db or website info

With the above requirements, any advice on whether I should target certain type of web hosting service? Which is the good one with flexibility and not too costly for a start up?

Thank you for the valuable advice.

 

[davidktw]

Firstly, introduce myself, I was a programmer about 10 years ago and familiar with PHP and mySQL (around 2002). Now, I am still in IT line but for non-technical stuff.

I am now looking to start up sth new. From a start I just need a web hosting that support a website that offers:
- Out of the box membership management module (is it possible to include directly or I have to code and create db tables myself)
- Out of the box shopping cart (future expansion that I may choose to turn on after 6 months or 1 year)
- Some comments/like feature of product that I offer
- Search box that can configure to crawl my product db or website info

With the above requirements, any advice on whether I should target certain type of web hosting service? Which is the good one with flexibility and not too costly for a start up?

Thank you for the valuable advice.

Unless you are looking at more SaSS businesses offerings such as Adobe Catalyst, or 60secs CMS and such services, what you are describing basically is the software layer.

What you wanted can be achieved via Joomla, Drupal, Liferay, with Magento, Prestashop, etc.

As for web hosting, you can choose shared web hosting, VPS, or colo your own server, or engage in cloud hosting such as Google App/Compute Engine, Microsoft Azure, Amazon Web Services etc.