Who is using stock red/back speaker cables for their mid/high end MM speakers

[Philip]

getting all excited, cant wait for mine too.

If nothing goes wrong I will ask for deposite tomorrow then e cables should be ready by next week.

Phil

 

[Magz1986]

great, will pm you my contact.

 

[Deavenger]

Don't think its e interconnects because e hiss should be there as long as u r using e cable. Last time I experience hissing but it goes away after I switch off e sub. Perhaps something inside e sub is overheating. Try to off it & see if it works.

Phil

wah so long never visit this thread.. but i was having hissing since the first day..lol

 

[rayeonsg]

Wow, all you guys talking stirred up good memories of quality sound leh!
I still have some QED flat speakers somewhere.

Need some advice from you pro, those speakers mentioned in the thread which is good for warm sound like a pair of old Roger Studio 3 bi-wired? Cheers!

 

[Philip]

wah so long never visit this thread.. but i was having hissing since the first day..lol

Err bro did u troubleshoot bor.. I don't mind earning your $$$ but can't guarantee it will solve e hissing.

Try these steps..

1. Disconnect all interconnect & just power on your speakers! If hiss go step 2, not step 5.
2. Change e powercord, If hiss go step 3, else e powercord is e culprit.
3. Try another power point. If hiss, go step 4, else power point is e culprit
4. Try different speaker cable, If hiss go step 5, else its e speaker cable
5. To this point, almost can be sure its not your speaker problem but I will not rule out a faulty control pod. Time to test e PC, go step 6.
6. Try different interconnect, If hiss got step 7, else its e interconnect
7. Try different soundcard & install latest driver. If hiss go step 8, else its e card h/w or s/w issue.
8. GOD BLESS U. E problem lies somewhere in your PC. Interference & etc etc.

Phil

 

[pew]

i guess same length as the stock cables....
ur dirty job as in helping me buy the things and solder the things?

Length of the cable also affects the sound

 

[AZE]

Err bro did u troubleshoot bor.. I don't mind earning your $$$ but can't guarantee it will solve e hissing.

Try these steps..

1. Disconnect all interconnect & just power on your speakers! If hiss go step 2, not step 5.
2. Change e powercord, If hiss go step 3, else e powercord is e culprit.
3. Try another power point. If hiss, go step 4, else power point is e culprit
4. Try different speaker cable, If hiss go step 5, else its e speaker cable
5. To this point, almost can be sure its not your speaker problem but I will not rule out a faulty control pod. Time to test e PC, go step 6.
6. Try different interconnect, If hiss got step 7, else its e interconnect
7. Try different soundcard & install latest driver. If hiss go step 8, else its e card h/w or s/w issue.
8. GOD BLESS U. E problem lies somewhere in your PC. Interference & etc etc.

Phil

Sometime the problem stems from noisy power line in the house.

For those that has UPS(models with noise clamping)/power conditioner/regulator, can also try to plug the speakers it to for checking.(For UPS, check that it can deliver the rated power of the speaker before using, don't overload the UPS).

 

[Takeshi_0]

Just completed the last pair for this round of order!! Super thick made-in-japan Canare 4S11!!

Add another $4.8 for those 4 plugs. $1.20 each.. happy bor?? Solder type.. not those screw-on one.

Phil

looks pretty good!

 

[Philip]

Wow, all you guys talking stirred up good memories of quality sound leh!
I still have some QED flat speakers somewhere.

Need some advice from you pro, those speakers mentioned in the thread which is good for warm sound like a pair of old Roger Studio 3 bi-wired? Cheers!

Hard to tell because we will need to know e characteristic of your speaker first. Remember, cable is to compliment e speaker NOT to alter its overall characteristic. Mission r bright by nature, so we can only use speaker cable to minimise e brightness.. not to alter it to warm or etc.

In addition, e equipments like amp/CD will have a much profile impact on e overall sound then accessories like speaker cable & etc.

Why I'm providing this service is because most mid/high end MM speakers can perform much better if not for those lousy stock cables which sucks big time. I'm not trying to convert them into a pair of Sonus Faber or Dynaudio so as to speak.

Phil

 

[Philip]

Sometime the problem stems from noisy power line in the house.

For those that has UPS(models with noise clamping)/power conditioner/regulator, can also try to plug the speakers it to for checking.(For UPS, check that it can deliver the rated power of the speaker before using, don't overload the UPS).

Unless it is so unfortunate that e whole unit is plague with this problem which is rare. There will be other tell tale signs like snowy TV, flickering lightings, piak sound from speakers & etc for such extreme cases.

Using different power points from another part of e house will be ideal to isolate such problem. Normally e kitchen & hall will have a separate power circuit.

In addition to UPS, those affordable power filtering powerstrip are also pretty good for such purpose. The belkins are a good start.

Phil

 

[Philip]

Length of the cable also affects the sound

For good speaker cables, length is not a real big issue. E.g. Canare 4S11 is rated 0.9 ohm per 100m & Belden 1860 is rated 1.6 ohm per 1000 ft.

Coupled with feature like quad star geometry (4S11), noise rejection from interference is pretty high too.

Phil

 

[pew]

Hard to tell because we will need to know e characteristic of your speaker first. Remember, cable is to compliment e speaker NOT to alter its overall characteristic. Mission r bright by nature, so we can only use speaker cable to minimise e brightness.. not to alter it to warm or etc.

In addition, e equipments like amp/CD will have a much profile impact on e overall sound then accessories like speaker cable & etc.

Why I'm providing this service is because most mid/high end MM speakers can perform much better if not for those lousy stock cables which sucks big time. I'm not trying to convert them into a pair of Sonus Faber or Dynaudio so as to speak.

Phil

Are you able to do me a pair of speaker cables, need bout 3 meters in length, and a pair of interconnects and a power cable

My Setup:

Arcam Alpha 8 Int Amp, Arcam Alpha 7 CDP, B&W DM601

Now using some moulded speaker cables (unknown brand)
Normal power cable
Canare L2T-25 cable and Nakamichi(dunno real or not) RCA heads (This one my fren soldered for me, but somehow Im not too happy with the sound.

Budget, abt than $200 can do?

 

[bencheongcm]

phil juz wonder when can you do the next job ?

 

[Deavenger]

Err bro did u troubleshoot bor.. I don't mind earning your $$$ but can't guarantee it will solve e hissing.

Try these steps..

1. Disconnect all interconnect & just power on your speakers! If hiss go step 2, not step 5.
2. Change e powercord, If hiss go step 3, else e powercord is e culprit.
3. Try another power point. If hiss, go step 4, else power point is e culprit
4. Try different speaker cable, If hiss go step 5, else its e speaker cable
5. To this point, almost can be sure its not your speaker problem but I will not rule out a faulty control pod. Time to test e PC, go step 6.
6. Try different interconnect, If hiss got step 7, else its e interconnect
7. Try different soundcard & install latest driver. If hiss go step 8, else its e card h/w or s/w issue.
8. GOD BLESS U. E problem lies somewhere in your PC. Interference & etc etc.

Phil

wah .. at least now you give me detailed advice..ok ok .. i will go try.. ..
I will like to ask you about my living room surround system too..

i wan good sounds but changing wires is out cos i already concealed the wire in my wall , false ceiling etc..

i am using a pioneer home entertainment system (can't remember the model but it is the one that has a seperate amp and player).. the problem is my satelite speakers are on the wall close to ceiling..
so i find the base rather hard to control.. sigh i really dun know how to explain..need to learn more then can ask you.

i am a sucker for good sound but a real noob at it man..

 

[Deavenger]

Err bro did u troubleshoot bor.. I don't mind earning your $$$ but can't guarantee it will solve e hissing.

Try these steps..

1. Disconnect all interconnect & just power on your speakers! If hiss go step 2, not step 5.
2. Change e powercord, If hiss go step 3, else e powercord is e culprit.
3. Try another power point. If hiss, go step 4, else power point is e culprit
4. Try different speaker cable, If hiss go step 5, else its e speaker cable
5. To this point, almost can be sure its not your speaker problem but I will not rule out a faulty control pod. Time to test e PC, go step 6.
6. Try different interconnect, If hiss got step 7, else its e interconnect
7. Try different soundcard & install latest driver. If hiss go step 8, else its e card h/w or s/w issue.
8. GOD BLESS U. E problem lies somewhere in your PC. Interference & etc etc.

Phil

I think i can rule out step 4.. cos the speaker hissing comes from almost all the speakers..the creative guys told me when you on your comp and if your comp volume is full, it will be like that. however the strange thing is that when my comp is off also got hissing...

so dun think it is pc problem also...unless you tell me that when pc is on .. there is transmission to the speakers too..

 

[rayeonsg]

Hard to tell because we will need to know e characteristic of your speaker first. Remember, cable is to compliment e speaker NOT to alter its overall characteristic. Mission r bright by nature, so we can only use speaker cable to minimise e brightness.. not to alter it to warm or etc.

In addition, e equipments like amp/CD will have a much profile impact on e overall sound then accessories like speaker cable & etc.

Why I'm providing this service is because most mid/high end MM speakers can perform much better if not for those lousy stock cables which sucks big time. I'm not trying to convert them into a pair of Sonus Faber or Dynaudio so as to speak.

Phil

My set is more than 10 years old. Normally alternate between my old Cyrus2(Mission) & Beard Amp to drive a speaker pair of Cyrus 780 & Rogers Studio 3 using Quad FM1 tuner & Denon TU260L tuner/Pioneer PD-801 CD player. Sound are compensated with VDH cables & audioquest interconnects, more balance, less forward & punchy, more relax pace.

Is your Canre able to replace my VDH single wire c/w banana plugs, as I want to bi-wire.
My Beard/Cyrus(Mission)/Quad made in England, Denon/Pioneer from Belgium.
And or course price is a concern. Cheers!!

 

[Philip]

Magz1986, livewarez & bencheongcm. Check PM..

Phil

 

[livewarez]

Phil, replied you. Thanks

 

[Philip]

Are you able to do me a pair of speaker cables, need bout 3 meters in length, and a pair of interconnects and a power cable

My Setup:

Arcam Alpha 8 Int Amp, Arcam Alpha 7 CDP, B&W DM601

Now using some moulded speaker cables (unknown brand)
Normal power cable
Canare L2T-25 cable and Nakamichi(dunno real or not) RCA heads (This one my fren soldered for me, but somehow Im not too happy with the sound.

Budget, abt than $200 can do?

Is your B&W bi-wireable? If so.. you can benefit by using bi-wires.. This enable you to bypass the crossover in your speakers which spilt e audio signal to your tweeker & mid/low driver(s). You can try Canare 4S11. Check out my earlier comments on its characteristic.

You can also try shielded powercord for better noise reduction.

I can't find L2T-25 but there is a L2T-2S. This is a twisted pair with shield. Its a notch better than stock cables if your friend knows how to make full use of e shield. You can try coax which gives better noise reduction like e Belden 89259. I have a pair & feel its handle e low pretty well & sounds clean. However I have since replace them with Nordost Blue Heavens which I feel is "faster".

Nevertheless, I would like to qualify here. If u r using stock cables & wires then e tendency of getting improvement is very high. But if u r already on after market product like QED, Monster (Yuck), Cable Talk & etc. The mileage will different. I would say it will sound different instead of obvious improvement. But good thing about this is the cable I'm offering is cheaper than most brand name so its worth a try.

Phil

 

[Philip]

I think i can rule out step 4.. cos the speaker hissing comes from almost all the speakers..the creative guys told me when you on your comp and if your comp volume is full, it will be like that. however the strange thing is that when my comp is off also got hissing...

so dun think it is pc problem also...unless you tell me that when pc is on .. there is transmission to the speakers too..

It sounds like your speaker problem.. does it hiss at low level too? E.g. e stock volume when u off & on e speakers. If so.. then something is wrong, else I won't give much of a thought if the prob occurs only near max.

Carry your sub to e hall or kitchen & hook up e front only. Power it up & see whether e prob still occurs.

As for your Pioneer setup.. Errr. sad to say I would consider Pioneer as capable compared to others like Marantz, Denon, Yamaha, Rotel & etc. Unless you are using their top range model. Drop by extremeplace & do your homework. 1st bottleneck is your equipment, 2nd bottleneck is your speaker placement. Ceiling is too high on e 1st place.

Phil