Why EV attract so many haters?

[zensushi]

This is a sobering read:

Asia's EVolution: China's growing electric car pains offer lessons for the region and beyond

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/eas...sts-range-charging-repairs-time-money-6004211

 

[EJB]

It's an april article.

And again, I do not believe switching to EV saves the earth, reduce carbon emissions etc... so I'm not really "shocked" or upset at the article.

I said many times, the only way for earth to 'recover', is for all humans to die off. Industralization no matter how 'green', cannot reverse the effects.

EV doesn't save the earth. And singapore only drive 10 years, no worries on the battery issue. By 9th year, most would have bought a new car liao.

This is a sobering read:

Asia's EVolution: China's growing electric car pains offer lessons for the region and beyond

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/eas...sts-range-charging-repairs-time-money-6004211

 

[zensushi]

It's an april article.

And again, I do not believe switching to EV saves the earth, reduce carbon emissions etc... so I'm not really "shocked" or upset at the article.

I said many times, the only way for earth to 'recover', is for all humans to die off. Industralization no matter how 'green', cannot reverse the effects.

EV doesn't save the earth. And singapore only drive 10 years, no worries on the battery issue. By 9th year, most would have bought a new car liao.

It is an interesting take on saving the planet, but the article is actually highlighting the very real, practical headaches of long-term EV ownership that early adopters in China are facing.

For those who skipped the read, here are the main takeaways:

• Battery Degradation from Climate: Extreme weather severely stresses the hardware. Cold climates reduce battery capacity, while high heat and humidity actively accelerate long-term degradation.

• The Hidden Time Cost: The financial savings on charging versus petrol are frequently offset by the time wasted at charging stations. Fast charges still take roughly 30 minutes, leading owners to feel they lose more time than they gain.

• Software Obsolescence: As the vehicles age, their operating systems become noticeably sluggish. Furthermore, discontinued software updates can leave critical features like battery management and navigation entirely unsupported.

• Post-Warranty Repair Shocks: Once standard warranties lapse, fixing system crashes or electronic hardware faults becomes a massive out-of-pocket expense for the driver.

• Replacement Economics: Swapping out an entire battery pack can cost between 50,000 to 100,000 yuan. This exorbitant sum often approaches or exceeds the residual value of the older vehicle itself.

 

[EJB]

It is an interesting take on saving the planet, but the article is actually highlighting the very real, practical headaches of long-term EV ownership that early adopters in China are facing.

For those who skipped the read, here are the main takeaways:

• Battery Degradation from Climate: Extreme weather severely stresses the hardware. Cold climates reduce battery capacity, while high heat and humidity actively accelerate long-term degradation.

• The Hidden Time Cost: The financial savings on charging versus petrol are frequently offset by the time wasted at charging stations. Fast charges still take roughly 30 minutes, leading owners to feel they lose more time than they gain.

• Software Obsolescence: As the vehicles age, their operating systems become noticeably sluggish. Furthermore, discontinued software updates can leave critical features like battery management and navigation entirely unsupported.

• Post-Warranty Repair Shocks: Once standard warranties lapse, fixing system crashes or electronic hardware faults becomes a massive out-of-pocket expense for the driver.

• Replacement Economics: Swapping out an entire battery pack can cost between 50,000 to 100,000 yuan. This exorbitant sum often approaches or exceeds the residual value of the older vehicle itself.

ICE cars, they worry about emissions.

EV, they worry about batteries.

Never a solution apart from going back to bicycles and walking. So really, nothing to fret or get worried. We've always been working around the problems by creating another problem, that's how the society is.

EV is just glam, oh wow... no emissions, wow, charge so fast... battery spoil... change car.

It has not gone beyond that stage where they worry about landfills of batteries, or disposing of batteries... maybe in 5 years, BYD or China automakers resolve battery issue liao no more battery degradation or charging worries... honestly, who knows?

For now, let the glorious leaders worry about these, they'll find another problem to cover up this problem as usual. We as consumers, just enjoy the car. If $50K for battery is too ex... there's always insurance...

 

[singaporean11]

This is a sobering read:

Asia's EVolution: China's growing electric car pains offer lessons for the region and beyond

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/eas...sts-range-charging-repairs-time-money-6004211

Lesson here is: Don't be early adopters of technology until the technology is practical, commercially proven and used wide-spread!

To me, EV is not practical as yet because charging the vehicle takes >30 minutes and 30 minutes only can charge 50% only! (Don't forget, TIME is MONEY!)
The technology is not even ripe and practical yet for wide-spread adoption because charging time is just too long!

China has no choice but switch to EV immediately because China do not have good ICE technology in early days and going EV route can skip the ICE technology development BUT the same is not true for SG. So I have no idea why the hurry and the need to push to adopt something that is not mature and not practical yet in SG ...

It is the same as the plastic bag charges and the bottles recycling charges that incur so much extra costs to implement but little to no effect on SG environment...

 

[singaporean11]

ICE cars, they worry about emissions.

EV, they worry about batteries.

Never a solution apart from going back to bicycles and walking. So really, nothing to fret or get worried. We've always been working around the problems by creating another problem, that's how the society is.

EV is just glam, oh wow... no emissions, wow, charge so fast... battery spoil... change car.

It has not gone beyond that stage where they worry about landfills of batteries, or disposing of batteries... maybe in 5 years, BYD or China automakers resolve battery issue liao no more battery degradation or charging worries... honestly, who knows?

For now, let the glorious leaders worry about these, they'll find another problem to cover up this problem as usual. We as consumers, just enjoy the car. If $50K for battery is too ex... there's always insurance...

EV batteries' disposal itself is another environmental problem in SG!
So SG going to impose EV battery charges unless EV car drivers pay to dispose of them in GREEN way or don't use EV batteries (like imposing plastic bags charges and bottles recycling charges)?

SG cannot compare to China since China has very good recycling technologies for plastic, metals, rare earth, etc!

 

[koster]

ICE cars, they worry about emissions.

EV, they worry about batteries.

Never a solution apart from going back to bicycles and walking. So really, nothing to fret or get worried. We've always been working around the problems by creating another problem, that's how the society is.

EV is just glam, oh wow... no emissions, wow, charge so fast... battery spoil... change car.

It has not gone beyond that stage where they worry about landfills of batteries, or disposing of batteries... maybe in 5 years, BYD or China automakers resolve battery issue liao no more battery degradation or charging worries... honestly, who knows?

For now, let the glorious leaders worry about these, they'll find another problem to cover up this problem as usual. We as consumers, just enjoy the car. If $50K for battery is too ex... there's always insurance...

Big brother @EJB do u drive ice or ev cat?

 

[V_for_Vanilla]

ICE cars, they worry about emissions.

EV, they worry about batteries.

Never a solution apart from going back to bicycles and walking. So really, nothing to fret or get worried. We've always been working around the problems by creating another problem, that's how the society is.

EV is just glam, oh wow... no emissions, wow, charge so fast... battery spoil... change car.

It has not gone beyond that stage where they worry about landfills of batteries, or disposing of batteries... maybe in 5 years, BYD or China automakers resolve battery issue liao no more battery degradation or charging worries... honestly, who knows?

For now, let the glorious leaders worry about these, they'll find another problem to cover up this problem as usual. We as consumers, just enjoy the car. If $50K for battery is too ex... there's always insurance...

I am more concerned about emissions than batteries. Technical challenges can and will be overcome, but vehicle fumes and immediate pollution I don't accept.

 

[singaporean11]

I am more concerned about emissions than batteries. Technical challenges can and will be overcome, but vehicle fumes and immediate pollution I don't accept.

If you so concerned about vehicle fumes and immediate pollution, you should call for SG Gov to immediately REQUIRE all BUSES and TAXIS to be changed to EVs first since most of these vehicles are running on DIESEL which produces much more toxic gases and pollution than PETROL vehicles AND they run for almost 24 HOURS a day (vs private cars)!

 

[V_for_Vanilla]

If you so concerned about vehicle fumes and immediate pollution, you should call for SG Gov to immediately REQUIRE all BUSES and TAXIS to be changed to EVs first since most of these vehicles are running on DIESEL which produces much more toxic gases and pollution than PETROL vehicles AND they run for almost 24 HOURS a day (vs private cars)!

I can see buses and taxis have been moving to EV. A big thumbs up to the government.

 

[singaporean11]

I can see buses and taxis have been moving to EV. A big thumbs up to the government.

And why are there so many DIESEL & PETROL-ENGINE BUSES and Taxis still running around everyday in SG?

 

[EJB]

EV batteries' disposal itself is another environmental problem in SG!
So SG going to impose EV battery charges unless EV car drivers pay to dispose of them in GREEN way or don't use EV batteries (like imposing plastic bags charges and bottles recycling charges)?

SG cannot compare to China since China has very good recycling technologies for plastic, metals, rare earth, etc!

Honestly, I'm not bothered by the environmental concerns, batteries in landfills? Not my problem.

I paid for the car, I will enjoy the car. Simple. Don't want us to dispose after 10 years, scrap the COE system. EV already has no scrap value, pay to dispose? No driver will pay to do so. Scrap yard has to do it.

I am more concerned about emissions than batteries. Technical challenges can and will be overcome, but vehicle fumes and immediate pollution I don't accept.

Emissions, batteries, landfills, I don't bother. At the rate we draw resources and build massive data centers, earth is dead in a matter of time. Saving the earth is just something for those who eat too full, nothing to do, thinks that by sitting on roads, or staging protests, can solve.

 

[EJB]

Big brother @EJB do u drive ice or ev cat?

I ride bicycle brake check you.

 

[EJB]

It is an interesting take on saving the planet, but the article is actually highlighting the very real, practical headaches of long-term EV ownership that early adopters in China are facing.

For those who skipped the read, here are the main takeaways:

• Battery Degradation from Climate: Extreme weather severely stresses the hardware. Cold climates reduce battery capacity, while high heat and humidity actively accelerate long-term degradation.

• The Hidden Time Cost: The financial savings on charging versus petrol are frequently offset by the time wasted at charging stations. Fast charges still take roughly 30 minutes, leading owners to feel they lose more time than they gain.

• Software Obsolescence: As the vehicles age, their operating systems become noticeably sluggish. Furthermore, discontinued software updates can leave critical features like battery management and navigation entirely unsupported.

• Post-Warranty Repair Shocks: Once standard warranties lapse, fixing system crashes or electronic hardware faults becomes a massive out-of-pocket expense for the driver.

• Replacement Economics: Swapping out an entire battery pack can cost between 50,000 to 100,000 yuan. This exorbitant sum often approaches or exceeds the residual value of the older vehicle itself.

I guess, the concerns are valid if you're talking beyond 10 years of ownership, with regular DC charging. In SG, all these likely won't hit us by the 10th year when we're forced to scrap the car to be honest.

The only people who DC charge often are those without access to AC chargers (I really know of a few, so no choice they do DC). And those who rent EV to do PHV, I've seen one in my MSCP charging AC everyday. There are downsides to driving EV compared to ICE.

The upside I I don't need to pay for servicing anymore, but road tax is a killer. Every month, I save 75% of my petrol costs, but to cover the increase of $1,000 road tax, I need at least 4 months. Do I save, yes. Is it a lot of savings - no.

Do I care what happens after the battery needs to be buried? - No. I won't live to see that day.

Most manufactures give 10 years warranty on battery and servicing now, the worry is less. If you fret on repairs, my previous car haven't hit 60K mileage, I've spent $3,000 over on repairs on two separate routine servicing already.

Honestly, all these will sort itself out as time comes. We don't have to worry, our government is monkey see, monkey do. Matter of time.

Even Zeekr Malaysia, is now like BYD China, building it's own charging network across Malaysia. I don't think down the road this is much of worry. Batteries can be rebuilt after it is damaged, it's just the effort.

 

[V_for_Vanilla]

And why are there so many DIESEL & PETROL-ENGINE BUSES and Taxis still running around everyday in SG?

Rome is not built in one day.

 

[singaporean11]

Rome is not built in one day.

BUT plastic bags' charging floated much later than EVs push already implemented!

Bottles' recycling charging floated much much later than EVs push already implemented!

Only when it comes to making BUSES and Taxis switch to EVs (despite the EV push started earlier than the above 2) still cannot be implemented!

 

[koster]

I ride bicycle brake check you.

Nice! Thanks big brother @EJB !