Wi-Fi 6E routers

[SiaoAngMoh]

The problem is, the title of the paper is "USE OF LONG TERM EVOLUTION TECHNOLOGIES IN LICENCE-EXEMPT SPECTRUM BANDS"

It is likely referring to the 6Ghz frequency band for LTE in 5G networks (ie, your mobile phone) rather than WiFi. Para #20 (linked to in your last point) also points to it being with regards to 5G Networks.

In this reading, it's more likely that it does not necessarily refer to 6Ghz for 802.11ax. Furthermore, they have highlighted the lack of interest in LWA amongst operators (Para 23, 26), so this reinforces the point that WiFi is not the issue in this paper (again reinforced by Para #21) - Wifi is not the issue here.

License exempt means you don't need a license to operate (transmit/receive) in the band. It's a free for all, and Wi-Fi operates in license exempt bands. There are technologies which allow LTE to operate in these license exempt bands, supposedly while minimising interference with other license exempt users (like home Wi-Fi routers). That was the purpose of the paper. The key part was the last paragraph as I mentioned. That shows that 6 GHz is currently NOT license exempt.

The 6 GHz spectrum used by Wi-Fi 6E is only license exempt in a handful of countries around the world currently. In Singapore, this band is currently regulated and is not license exempt.

See the frequency allocation chart for Singapore here.

https://www.imda.gov.sg/-/media/imd...ment-and-coordination/spectrumchart.pdf?la=en
Samsung etc cannot sell a device in Singapore which transmits in bands it is not permitted to. It's possible for you to parallel import a set which may have this enabled, but the Singapore models won't have this active, or Samsung will have some big regulatory issues with IDMA.

 

[firesong]

License exempt means you don't need a license to operate (transmit/receive) in the band. It's a free for all, and Wi-Fi operates in license exempt bands.

The 6 GHz spectrum used by Wi-Fi 6E is only license exempt in a handful of countries around the world currently. In Singapore, this band is regulated and is not license exempt.

See the frequency allocation chart for Singapore here.

https://www.imda.gov.sg/-/media/imd...ment-and-coordination/spectrumchart.pdf?la=en
Samsung etc cannot sell a device in Singapore which transmits in bands it is not permitted to. It's possible for you to parallel import a set which may have this enabled, but the Singapore models won't have this active, or Samsung will have some big regulatory issues with IDMA.

I am aware. But my point is, your support point, even using quoting IMDA, does not state this point.

Just pointing out that you instead attempted to use a LTE paper to justify why WiFi6E is not operating in Singapore. That's entirely different and unrelated altogether.

It's like going to Court and when the judge asks you "Where were you at the night of the murder?" You reply "Manchester City was playing Chelsea."

 

[skpuppy]

I am aware. But my point is, your support point, even using quoting IMDA, does not state this point.

Just pointing out that you instead attempted to use a LTE paper to justify why WiFi6E is not operating in Singapore. That's entirely different and unrelated altogether.

It's like going to Court and when the judge asks you "Where were you at the night of the murder?" You reply "Manchester City was playing Chelsea."

Hahahahahahahaa. Just buy china set la. Later Xiaomi got upgraded to 6E. F the local regulators. How many China product pass Enterprise SG safety mark? How many bluray really pass our censorship.
Asus for example are super overprice in SG. Stupid aaX82U cost less than $200 in China but cost $320 here. Seriously crap

 

[SiaoAngMoh]

I am aware. But my point is, your support point, even using quoting IMDA, does not state this point.

Just pointing out that you instead attempted to use a LTE paper to justify why WiFi6E is not operating in Singapore. That's entirely different and unrelated altogether.

It's like going to Court and when the judge asks you "Where were you at the night of the murder?" You reply "Manchester City was playing Chelsea."

I guess you are not aware then. The paper discussed the possibility of LTE operating in the unlicensed (license exempt) band. There are some technologies which supposedly allow LTE/Wi-Fi to co - exist and the paper wanted to understand if there was a demand, and if there were any concerns with allowing this.

(Paragraph 20), On a separate note, some Respondents had encouraged IMDA to release more licence-exempt spectrum in the 6GHz (i.e. 5925 –7250MHz) to ease the congestion in unlicensed bands. Given LTE isn't currently operating in the unlicensed spectrum, then why would users of LTE be concerned with congestion in the unlicensed band? Hint, it's a separate note.

If you go and read the submissions, this point was raised by the Wi-Fi alliance. https://www.imda.gov.sg/-/media/Imd...ervices-and-networks-Wi-Fi-Alliance.pdf?la=en

Anyways, the entire point of posting the original link was to show that the 6 GHz band is currently licensed in Singapore, so it is not possible for Samsung etc to sell products with that band active to use in an unlicensed manner like Wi-Fi 6E. That's all.

Why would folks be asking IMDA to make the 6 GHz band unlicensed, if we already have devices supposedly running Wi-Fi 6E in Singapore?

Regarding the murder, Manchester City was playing Chelsea, and I was watching the game with my family, so it couldn't have been me.

 

[cscs3]

Not in Singapore. Go back and read previous posts.

Strange, my family has both. Diagnostic show both are capable of 6E. Just short of having a 6E router to test it.

 

[SiaoAngMoh]

Strange, my family has both. Diagnostic show both are capable of 6E. Just short of having a 6E router to test it.

How are you checking this? I have an S21U here also. Thanks!

 

[cscs3]

How are you checking this? I have an S21U here also. Thanks!

Currently, I think the only router you can get in market easily is ASUS AX1100E.
My guess is due to the 6G frequency. Router has to be tri band type.

 

[SiaoAngMoh]

Currently, I think the only router you can get in market easily is ASUS AX1100E.
My guess is due to the 6G frequency. Router has to be tri band type.

I asked how you checked that 6E was enabled on the S21U

 

[cscs3]

I asked how you checked that 6E was enabled on the S21U

Key in those diagnostics code and put the phone into diagnostics mode. You can Google to find the code.

 

[SiaoAngMoh]

Key in those diagnostics code and put the phone into diagnostics mode. You can Google to find the code.

You mean the codes entered in on the dialer screen? The WiFi LAN test codes I tried aren't working. What code did you use?

 

[limpingsim98]

Yes Samsung 21U has a broadcom WiFi chip that support WiFi 6e. Not the S21 and S21+.

Soon, some laptop will also have WiFi 6e intel card available.

 

[Apparatus]

Yes Samsung 21U has a broadcom WiFi chip that support WiFi 6e. Not the S21 and S21+.

Soon, some laptop will also have WiFi 6e intel card available.

MSI already has it

https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GE76-Raider-10UX

 

[SiaoAngMoh]

Yes Samsung 21U has a broadcom WiFi chip that support WiFi 6e. Not the S21 and S21+.

Soon, some laptop will also have WiFi 6e intel card available.

No one is disputing that the hardware of the S21U can support 6E. The point is the functionality of the 6 GHz band cannot be enabled in hardware for the Singapore market unless IMDA makes that portion of the spectrum unlicensed (just like 2.4GHz, 5GHz and 60GHz). Currently it is licensed.

 

[cscs3]

No one is disputing that the hardware of the S21U can support 6E. The point is the functionality of the 6 GHz band cannot be enabled in hardware for the Singapore market unless IMDA makes that portion of the spectrum unlicensed (just like 2.4GHz, 5GHz and 60GHz). Currently it is licensed.

You have to wait and see.

 

[SiaoAngMoh]

You have to wait and see.

You said you used the diagnostics to show the S21U in Singapore are 6E enabled. Why do I need to wait and see? The Wi-Fi diagnostics I could access only shows the stats for the current connection.

What am I missing?

 

[cscs3]

You said you used the diagnostics to show the S21U in Singapore are 6E enabled. Why do I need to wait and see? The Wi-Fi diagnostics I could access only shows the stats for the current connection.

What am I missing?

You need a wifi 6e router to get it connected!

 

[SiaoAngMoh]

You need a wifi 6e router to get it connected!

You said you could show that 6E was enabled on the two phones you had by checking the diagnostics. I asked for the code you used, twice, you didn't provide it.

The only Wi-Fi related diagnostics code I found provides information on current connection (ac/ax 5 GHz for example). How did you prove your two phones had 6E enabled?

You can understand why I think you aren't being truthful here. Either that or you didn't understand what you were looking at.

Strange, my family has both. Diagnostic show both are capable of 6E. Just short of having a 6E router to test it.

 

[Apparatus]

You said you could show that 6E was enabled on the two phones you had by checking the diagnostics. I asked for the code you used, twice, you didn't provide it.

The only Wi-Fi related diagnostics code I found provides information on current connection (ac/ax 5 GHz for example). How did you prove your two phones had 6E enabled?

You can understand why I think you aren't being truthful here. Either that or you didn't understand what you were looking at.

Is he hinting to you he has a 6E router?

 

[SiaoAngMoh]

Is he hinting to you he has a 6E router?

Anything is possible but I don't think so.
Can you parallel import your S21U from abroad with 6E enabled? Yes. Same with a router.

If local S21U sets have 6E enabled, Samsung are in legal trouble in Singapore. The technical regulations team in Samsung know the requirements in each country and the FW for the radios already factor this in.

The channels available in the 2.4GHz band are more or less harmonised world wide, other than the power levels you can transmit at which may vary.

The 5GHz band is more fragmented due to weather radar. Some countries don't allow specific channels, or require DFS so the device can detect RADAR is in use on the channel and will move to a different one.

The 6GHz band is available in very few countries world wide at the moment. Unfortunately Singapore isn't one of them. Anyone who thinks manufacturers can just ship products transmitting at 6GHz into a country which doesn't yet allow it, until such time as the regulatory body in the country 'catch up' doesn't understand what they are talking about.

If you are interested to know what the current bands are ... The latest draft (June 2021) from IMDA is available. See pages 16-17. It could be some more years before we have 6E here, if at all.

https://www.imda.gov.sg/-/media/Imd...ds/IMDA-Technical/Draft-IMDA-TS-SRD.pdf?la=en

 

[xiaofan]

I believe IMDA eventually will have 6GHz bands available for WiFi 6E, not so sure when though.

I understand some people are eagerly waiting for 6E because of 6G bands. But I think it will take time for Wifi 6E to be popular here. First hurdle is the availability of frequency band here, next hurdle will be the availability of cheaper router. I am not even convinced that Xiaomi AX9000 is really 6E ready in terms of HW design but I could be wrong.