Will minimum wage laws work here?

Should there be a minimum wage?

  • Yes

    Votes: 62 50.0%
  • No minimum wage

    Votes: 62 50.0%

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Sultana

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Sg needs inventors, creators. Not forever talking about lowering salary of quality workforce.
Where hv all the A stars investment go to? Where r the incubator? Cannot suppress freedom of speech & thinking, tat will instill fear & hence no one will want to take risk & be like Japan, Korea tat can hv big brands & be a major player.
 

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How economy works is that once everyone have a minimum amount of income per month, the prices of goods and services will go up. Ended up the minimum wage is the new poverty line.
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To keep up with inflation rate yoy
Dollar value drop, commoners dun feel it
Benchmarking historical value is not fair to workers
 

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The problem with minimum wage law is that you look at the people who still vote PAP and you will realize they don't deserve a minimum wage.

Fully free market is an efficient distributor of resources.
 

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How economy works is that once everyone have a minimum amount of income per month, the prices of goods and services will go up. Ended up the minimum wage is the new poverty line.
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What if the situation is prices of goods had been going up due to rental, land prices, indirect taxes etc..but wages have not been keeping up with it giving rise to new poverty line.
 

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this is how today's PAP under LHL is totally cmi
cmi never mind yet still stubborn, n ideologically stubborn is the worst form of incompetence

u cannot go against the tide of history
minimum wage is only a matter of time
the practical thing to do is get over this self-imposed ideological hurdle n just set a minimum wage even if it is a token gesture
hk does it.. n biz or consumers arent the worse off from it
 

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Not expert but for thinking out loud, correct if wrong...

Think with the recent intense discussion, is beginning to why it won't work locally. At least with the (somewhat altered or perhaps distorted) version that think the system keep putting out where many non the wiser naturally assumed its the way its supposed to be. Which of course won't work, since its a (think somewhat) flawed one put out to justifying the argument why it won't work (a straw-man of sort perhaps). Thus think if it work then its a miracle.

Think if not wrong, by right it should be universal. That is applies to everyone, including foreigners. But because local cannot have that, cause it would derailed local cheap foreign labour plan. Think everyone sort of quietly omit that its supposed to be universal in their discussion (conveniently neglect to mention that), so that those ignorance majority won't know any better.

And by just keeping the topic on using it for locals only, it of course won't work. Since it would further make locals more expensive, when foreigner are not subjected to it, thus can be cheaper. Therefore further heighten the already deepening tons of problems that sort of arose out of the cheap foreign labour plan. :s22:
 
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How economy works is that once everyone have a minimum amount of income per month, the prices of goods and services will go up. Ended up the minimum wage is the new poverty line.
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Even without min wages, prices are already being inflated uncontrollably.
 

michael_thm

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r u willing to pay maids & bangla construction workers min wages ?

first thing happened will be more women opt to be housewives, since no point earnings goes to paying maids since diff is not significant.

second, our housing prices will shoot above HK cuz HK got its own pool of low educated construction workers, we don't.

If wages go up, then the industry will adopt labor saving measures for those processes which are labor intensive that is all. This will lead to jobs which are lowly skilled like the bangala construction workers you mentioned being transformed into skilled jobs which then might even be attractive to Singaporeans. Even if not, it would mean less foreign workers would be needed. US construction workers are being paid an average of USD15 and you don't see their property prices being higher than SG. And HK construction workers salaries are an average of HK$119 per hour.

As for maids, many families have working couples with no maid. No maid does not mean wives need to be housewives in most cases. Many cases, you have full time housewives... with maids.
 

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r u willing to pay maids & bangla construction workers min wages ?

first thing happened will be more women opt to be housewives, since no point earnings goes to paying maids since diff is not significant.

second, our housing prices will shoot above HK cuz HK got its own pool of low educated construction workers, we don't.
Our lower skilled prices already driven up by FDW and FWL. $300 for first maid, $450 for second.
FWL for construction is $300 to $950 monthly depending on the experience and tier.
Maids already have min wage and it depends on the work experience and nationality.
We already pay for these, you not aware?
 

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Actually where is the info that gov pay for PWM? Workers take course demand high pay without increasing much productivity Isnt it free rider also?

Currently its implement in govt workplaces so they pay the PWM wage.

Tell that to private companies to pay they will laugh at PWM.

Hi Baddeiko,
My bad, gahmen only pays for the workfare and almost 100% of the training fees and salary during training under the PWM.

Correction made of my comment above:

Progressive wages less disruptive to economy because government pays the increase.
Also just a few industries involved just enough to give people the impression that gahmen is working.

Minimum wage is corporates pay the increase and is slippery slope situation that the current sweat shop employers are very weary of. Because once opposition gains foothold and demands higher minimum wages in future, they cannot tahan the increase and close shop and gahmen will then have to sponsor/ extend the jobs support scheme, like in a permanent way, even after covid-19 is over.


*****Edit on 7.9.2020. Government doesn't pay for progressive wage model, but just the workfare supplement. But gahmen does sponsor almost 100% of the worker training for corporate sectors covered by the progressive wage model.
 

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Minimum wage will work, only to the small marginalised community. But some unscrupulous employers can also make use of this to their advantage.
 

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Minimum wage will work, only to the small marginalised community. But some unscrupulous employers can also make use of this to their advantage.

Don’t hire ...
Pay cash to Bangla worker part timers...?
Or share Foreign workers...
 

cherry6

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Not expert but for thinking out loud, correct if wrong...

Think with the recent intense discussion, is beginning to why it won't work locally. At least with the (somewhat altered or perhaps distorted) version that think the system keep putting out where many non the wiser naturally assumed its the way its supposed to be. Which of course won't work, since its a (think somewhat) flawed one put out to justifying the argument why it won't work (a straw-man of sort perhaps). Thus think if it work then its a miracle.

Think if not wrong, by right it should be universal. That is applies to everyone, including foreigners. But because local cannot have that, cause it would derailed local cheap foreign labour plan. Think everyone sort of quietly omit that its supposed to be universal in their discussion (conveniently neglect to mention that), so that those ignorance majority won't know any better.

And by just keeping the topic on using it for locals only, it of course won't work. Since it would further make locals more expensive, when foreigner are not subjected to it, thus can be cheaper. Therefore further heighten the already deepening tons of problems that sort of arose out of the cheap foreign labour plan. :s22:

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Hi Ethan,
Thanks for highlighting the elephant in the room that minimum wages should, to be fair, include foreigners too, which means the work permits, maids, construction etc, will also earn say $10/hour which they obviously do not receive now.

To have double standards in something as basic as work salary will draw the ire of foreign governments, especially **** which will not accept the unfair treatmemt of its overseas staff with serious repurcussions on Singapore's international reputation.

Thus, PAP does not object to minimum wage so much as because it benifits Singaporeans but because it will certainly benifit the 1 million or so S pass and workpermit much more and be like ownself shoot own self foot for Singapore.

The ultimate solution is for there to be a COE quota, just like PAP applies quota to number of opposition in parliament, by sending bigoted messages that opposition supporters are free loaders, commencing a witch hunt post elections etc.

There should be a max number of foreigners allowed, with maids and bankers competing for the same opportunities to work here I.e. bidding for a common COE pass.

The many useless Sinkies who imagine that they are royalty because they can tekan their maid (like Changi Airport group chairman Liew Mun Leong and his evil familee), will just have to bid for domestic helper COE or else do the laundry and dishes themselves.

This will make Singapore much more health conscious and resilient and more capable of taking on all sorts of challenges of the world from man made to natural disasters, then they are currently poised to cope now.
 
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