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thanks nautilus and ikileo..

i'll consider a wine refrigerator..
Please avoid "thermo-electric" wine chillers. They can hardly sustain the proper cellaring temperature in our climate. Get those that run on compressors, similar to your refrigerator.
 

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yup as nautilus mentioned, compressors have much greater longevity, however the cost is also more :) remember, it's an investment!
 

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I will be making a trip to Napa Valley sometime next month and i would like to seek suggestions on good vineyards to visit. I've already earmarked Opus One as one of the places to go, but i'm looking out for 3-4 other vineyards in the area to visit as well. I'm quite a noob in Napa vineyards so any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
 

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The temperature in a normal fridge is too cold for wines to age. Wines age ideally between 12-15 deg. It would be better if you could find the coolest place in your home (ie. air-conditioned bedroom/study) and store it there horizontally for 2-3 years.


Hehehe.. Till i get my own house, My Cupboard will be my Cellar...
 
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best is to check in advanced whether you have to book your visitations to any Napa wineries, especially the big ones.

you can check out the Silverado trail as it has several good producers on this trails.

napa is big, so depending on many days you intend to spend there and whether you have a van/car to bring you around, you would have to plan properly

Beringer and Mondavi have good reviews. Chappellet has great wine and the place has a great view as well.

once u get more details about your trip, you can let us know.
 

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best is to check in advanced whether you have to book your visitations to any Napa wineries, especially the big ones.

you can check out the Silverado trail as it has several good producers on this trails.

napa is big, so depending on many days you intend to spend there and whether you have a van/car to bring you around, you would have to plan properly

Beringer and Mondavi have good reviews. Chappellet has great wine and the place has a great view as well.

once u get more details about your trip, you can let us know.
I'm driving up to Napa so transportation shouldn't be an issue. Sadly due to time contraints, i'm only able to spend slightly more than half a day there. Booked my tour at Opus One already and i'm looking forward to the visit. I'll drop by Joseph Phelps vineyard as it's pretty near Opus One. Any recommendations on which wines to try at JP? Are the wines cheap over there (https://shop.josephphelps.com/) compared to local prices?
 

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just smack on some JP Insignia man. i tried it once at a tasting last year and it was pretty damn good. their regular cabs are pretty good too. But Insignias are meant for loooong aging, at least 15 - 20 years before its ready.

the recent 2007 vintage for napa has been a very very good vintage for their reds. but if u have an opportunity to try a 1994 napa cab, that is a stellar year as well.

as for pricing, JP is brought in by Culina and is also distributed in FP Finest, so you may have a better gauge of the price from there, although i recall it being in the $200+ as well.
 

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just smack on some JP Insignia man. i tried it once at a tasting last year and it was pretty damn good. their regular cabs are pretty good too. But Insignias are meant for loooong aging, at least 15 - 20 years before its ready.

the recent 2007 vintage for napa has been a very very good vintage for their reds. but if u have an opportunity to try a 1994 napa cab, that is a stellar year as well.

as for pricing, JP is brought in by Culina and is also distributed in FP Finest, so you may have a better gauge of the price from there, although i recall it being in the $200+ as well.
JP Insignia 07 is going for USD$225. Opus One at around USD$200. Between wifey and myself, we can bring 4 bottles back only. In a dilemma whether i should just buy more and declare tax.
 

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actually i would recommend you do your homework. doesn't mean buy from cellar door = cheaper. if you are in a major city in california, i am pretty sure some wine retailers have some good deals on their own local wines, including top labels, since they buy in bulk.

use www.wine-searcher.com and search within the state of California and USA to get a feel of the retail pricing before committing to the cellar door price.
 

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Last week I brought my gf out for v-day + bday celebration. The wine for lunch was very nice, a cabernet franc wine from the Saumur region in the Loire Valley, France. While the dinner was a Gewurztraminer from the Alsace region in France. The red showed far better than the white which I suspected may have been corked, I dunno. But the red is very nice, medium bodied, very fresh and bright fruits with a nice streak of acidity and minerality. I had kept this wine for about 3 years and it is a good time to open now.

Here are my tasting notes:
http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=1051396
http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=295765

Over the weekend I joined my gf family in a bbq and one of the aunties brought a 2001 Wyndham Estate Show Reserve Cabernet Merlot. The show reserve is one of the premium wines from Wyndham Estate and the bottle label said that it could age for up to 15 years. So at 10 years of age I was quite excited about it.

Here is my tasting note:
http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=220620

What are you opening tonight to share with either yourself or that special someone?
 

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@xingan87 & kaki369: sorry guys, at least on my end I haven't been able to locate any supplier/retailer that brings in the wines u asked (within the database of nearly a 100 distributors/retailers in SG) where did u guys first see/learn about this wine?

Baron Philippe de Rothschild Carabas Rouge

I found some websites

http://www.drinks.com.tw/a_item_one.php?item_id=485

http://www.drinks.com.tw/brand-wine.php

and we can get it from this distributor according to this website

http://www.bpdr.com/

ENOTECA CO LTD
Address : 9 PENANG ROAD, #8-16 PARK MALL - Singapore 238459 - SINGAPORE
Telephone : 00.65.6337.1263
Fax : 00.65.6337 1630


:)
 

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HI Bro,

For Riesling, sweeter consider better? or Bitter is better? Apologies if the qns sound vague. recently brought the Dr loosen to my friend CNY dinner, he got another (forgtten to take down the name) from Germany , Blue Bottle. tast sweeter but favor wise, i think Loosen is stronger
 

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I understand what you mean. It depends, what you mean by better.
For german wines they are generally classified according to sweetness of the grapes upon harvest, starting from the least sweet: Kabinett, Spatlese, Auslese, Beerenauslese & Trockenbeerenauslese.

Keep in mind, this doesn’t necessarily mean that a Kabinett wine is not sweet at all, the grapes for kabinett are picked when they are ripe. As you go further, the grapes are left longer on the vine to ripen even more and hence develop more sugars. As you go into Beerenauslese and Trockenbeerenauslese, these are intensely sweet because Noble Rot has been occurred. It is a fungus which causes the grapes to shrivel as the water content is leached out leaving a higher concentration of sugars in the grapes, hence it is a very sweet wine.

In terms of pricing, Kabinetts are generally the most affordable and as you go sweeter and sweeter, it gets more and more expensive. This doesn’t mean that Kabinetts are lousy and that we should all drink only sweet wines since they are ‘better’. One of the causes for higher prices for sweeter wines is due to the large amount of manpower required to harvest them and the generally smaller yields because the longer you leave on the vine, the more you risk it being damaged as it gets colder and colder, plus other risks include Grey Rot, which will render the grape un-useable.

Due to the low yields, supply is low and popularity for sweet wines are always high, so if you know your economics, the price is gonna turn out high. Lastly, these expensive late harvest dessert wines tend to age very well (look at Sauternes), after the initial years of youthful fruit, a good dessert Riesling will develop complex layers of flavours and textures that will make any wine connoisseur go weak in the knees.

So that’s a lot of write-up, just to give you some context of sweet or not sweet. As to your question whether it’s better or not, it’s hard to compare unless I know what the wines are and their individual price points. Comparing a Kabinett with an Auslese is like comparing apples and oranges, they are made differently and in a different style for a different purpose. One will definitely be sweeter than the other, but one can be more well made than the other.

What you need to look out for when drinking sweeter wines to see if it’s well made, is the notion of balance. Everyone likes sugar and something sweet, girl chug sweet wines like no one’s business and boys like it too, but they’re too shy to admit it :). But while sweet fruit is always nice, the discerning wine drinker that not all sweet wines are made equal, one of the most basic elements of a well-made dessert wine is Acidity.

Without acidity, you will get a fat flabby but sweet wine that doesn’t have character (just sugar) and won’t age well. Next time make a cordial drink by mixing orange concentrate and water and give a good squeeze of lemon, the taste is more refreshing and focused compared to just concentrate and water. Then comes the complexity of flavor. Does the wine lend more flavours to your taste buds and nose? Are the flavours coming together nicely or is it all disjointed and all over the place?

I think maybe the one your friend brought was ‘Blue Nun’? I dunno. Next time we meet up we can do a Riesling thing also, just to see the differences.
 
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