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WDC has deep pockets. I was asked to attend for interview before, their stance is, as long as they want u, money not an issue and everyone there is a VP or SVP in banks previously. So my burning question in my mind was,

One cave can has how many tigers? I backed off from the interview

I have few friends working there still. Their remuneration package seriously not bad. But, you have few people all working similiar role. Is time to trim the fats.


If what you are saying is indeed true, then....there is seriously something wrong within the company. I'm not from Wirecard though I was tempted to join a few years back. Much smaller payment processors such as 2c2p and checkout.com achieved profit and we all know that transaction volume means alot to the survivability of a payments business. It's either 2 things: 1) Company has alot of excess to trim or 2) There is more worms to be dug out but still hidden from public view.

It is simply impossible for a company the size and economies of scale of Wirecard to be making a loss. This is speaking from industry experience.

This is getting real scary for people in the know.
 

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According to news reports, yes.


In "ordinary" times, perhaps. These aren't ordinary times for Wirecard.

It is why the lowest hanging fruit will be to trim headcount.

Wirecard has allegedly been very aggressive in acquiring merchants, so it's likely their per transaction cut is lower than what their competitors are getting. There are also some fixed operating costs, i.e. scale economies matter.

That's been a problem for other players, yes.


This could happen. It happened to CardSystems several years ago, and it was basically a death sentence, requiring CardSystems to sell itself to the highest bidder, a bidder who didn't have to bid very much. Interestingly, one of Wirecard's regional operating brands in the Middle East is "CardSystems."
This course of action is definitely in the cards but it will not happen so soon. There has to be concrete investigation by regulators involved before further actions to withdraw the license from Wirecard. So it will take sometime as long as bank creditors to Wirecard agree not to withdraw their credit lines and Wirecard is able to function on their working capital.

If they are the briefings don't have much shelf life. Their CEO resigned only this past Friday (June 19, 2020) and was arrested soon after. Their COO is gone, too. It's a very fast moving story.
Indeed, everyone is covering their asses right now just so in case the unthinkable happens to Wirecard.

Yes, major merchants and partners must be scrambling right now. "Mom and pop" merchants could be disrupted.


The Financial Times has been opening this can of worms for nearly 5 years. It seems to be a very big, very wormy can.
We do not know what other worms are unopened yet. So far allegations of round-tripping transactions are not yet proven.

It's probably worth something, but it's also difficult to value amidst this turmoil. Accounting problems can be really deadly.
Indeed, the alleged round tripping of transactions does add haziness to valuing this merchant acquiring business.

Even if Wirecard has such assets (not a given), they're not worth what they used to be. These days data centers tend to be "co-location facilities," meaning they're like Regus or WeWork facilities for computers. You don't own the building. Moreover, the now used equipment in those data centers isn't usually worth very much, even if it's premium gear (and it probably isn't). And if they're principally running in public clouds, they don't even have this much.

Right, but these could turn into e-waste. And who's going to pay to retrieve them, even if Wirecard owns them? (Wirecard might not.)


There is actually an interesting branch of investing involving distressed assets. The great Warren Buffett famously loaned billions to Goldman Sachs in the depths of the Global Financial Crisis. He demanded preferred shares yielding 10% dividends plus a stock purchase option. He got it, and he did quite well. Goldman Sachs did, too: they survived and prospered.
I find it hard to invest in Wirecard right now, except that I think technically it's drop too far for its real value. Well, Wirecard could be fundamentally bankrupt but that is for the future to decide. I am only trading this for now and not for long term holding. Adyen is likely to be 1 of those companies who will stand to benefit from this lost of trust in Wirecard and German Fintech as a whole, hence I bought it for medium term.

Some consumers could face difficulties, notably the consumers with Wirecard-managed prepaid cards that have balances held by Wirecard.

10 char, my response in bold; I dunno how to separate out the quote like you did.
 

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Anyway, just for sharing, for payment gateways, Wirecard definately offers the best rates for merchants in Singapore.

My company has been trying to contact our bank to get an update on the status, but the bank is staying silent as it is probably trying to assess the situation too.
 

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Some consumers could face difficulties, notably the consumers with Wirecard-managed prepaid cards that have balances held by Wirecard.

Are our balances safe? MAS says funds must be kept in banks here.

MAS says Wirecard in Singapore must keep customer funds in banks here; former CEO arrested

SINGAPORE - German payments firm Wirecard's entities in Singapore are required to keep customer funds from their activities in banks here pending their application for a licence, said the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) on Tuesday (June 23).

Wirecard's primary business activities in Singapore are to process payments for merchants and help companies issue prepaid cards.

The regulator said it has received a licence application from Wirecard under the Payment Services Act, which provides for a grace period for entities conducting regulated activities to apply for the relevant licence. During such a time, MAS may issue requirements to the entities and allow them to carry on with regulated activities.

The Act came into force on Jan 28 and is aimed at safeguarding against money laundering and terrorism financing, as well as strengthening consumer protection in the use of e-payments.

MAS' statement came just before German prosecutors on Tuesday announced that Wirecard's former chief executive, Markus Braun, has been arrested on suspicion of market manipulation, after the payments provider admitted that 1.9 billion euros (S$3 billion) missing from its accounts likely “do not exist”.

Current investigations show that “the conduct of the accused justifies the suspicion of inaccurate presentation concurring with market manipulation,” prosecutors from Munich said in a statement.

Braun, who resigned last week, turned himself in on Monday evening and will be presented to a judge on Tuesday who will decide on whether he will remain in custody, Reuters reported.

The one-time investor darling is holding emergency talks with its banks, which are owed roughly 1.75 billion euros, to avert a looming cash crunch triggered by the missing money, it said. Wirecard has also lost most of its market value in less than a week.

The Straits Times has contacted Wirecard Singapore for comment.

Last year, Singapore police raided Wirecard's premises following allegations of fraud at its local office.

Prosecutors said in March 2019 that eight Wirecard subsidiaries were under investigation in a criminal probe of suspected forgeries, falsified documents, money laundering and round-tripping of funds to support false transactions that were believed to have taken place between 2014 and 2018.

Round-tripping is where sales and profits are faked by sending money to a third party, who then uses it to buy goods and services from the sender in a pretence of real commerce.

https://www.straitstimes.com/business/wirecard-in-singapore-in-midst-of-licence-application-required-to-keep-customer-funds-in
 
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https://ir.wirecard.com/websites/wirecard/English/5110/news-detail.html?newsID=1988247&fromID=5000

06/25/2020

Wirecard AG: Application for opening of insolvency proceedings
Wirecard AG / Key word(s): Insolvency
Wirecard AG: Application for opening of insolvency proceedings

25-Jun-2020 / 10:27 CET/CEST
Disclosure of an inside information acc. to Article 17 MAR of the Regulation (EU) No 596/2014, transmitted by DGAP - a service of EQS Group AG.
The issuer is solely responsible for the content of this announcement.

Aschheim, June 25, 2020: The management board of Wirecard AG has decided today to file an application for the opening of insolvency proceedings for Wirecard AG with the competent district court of Munich (Amtsgericht MĂĽnchen) due to impending insolvency and over-indebtedness.
It is currently evaluated whether insolvency applications have to be filed for subsidiaries of Wirecard Group.

Contact:
Iris Stöckl
VP Corp.Com./IR
Tel.: +49 (0)89-4424-1424
e-Mail: iris.stoeckl@wirecard.com
http://www.wirecard.com
ISIN DE0007472060
Reuters: WDI.GDE
Bloomberg: WDI GY
25-Jun-2020 CET/CEST The DGAP Distribution Services include Regulatory Announcements, Financial/Corporate News and Press Releases.
Archive at www.dgap.de
Language: English
Company: Wirecard AG
Einsteinring 35
85609 Aschheim b. MĂĽnchen
Germany
Phone: +49 (0)89-4424 1400
Fax: +49 (0)89-4424 1500
E-mail: ir@wirecard.com
Internet: www.wirecard.com
ISIN: DE0007472060
WKN: 747206
Indices: DAX, TecDAX, Prime All Share, Technology All Share
Listed: Regulated Market in Frankfurt (Prime Standard); Regulated Unofficial Market in Berlin, Dusseldorf, Hamburg, Munich, Stuttgart, Tradegate Exchange
EQS News ID: 1078611


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Bounced from 1.48 to 4, massive short covering from hedge funds who were short this, but this is 99.99% already worth zero. Bonds are trading at 0.10 on the dollar.
 

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Bounced from 1.48 to 4, massive short covering from hedge funds who were short this, but this is 99.99% already worth zero. Bonds are trading at 0.10 on the dollar.

I hope none btfd here, this is gone case. Literally an Enron encore feat. Fintech.
 

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wan to buy also cannot leh.

ibkr states an error prompt " for closing in trade only".

ie can only close position
 

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I knew the game was up when my bank started changing to other payment gateways, so I gave it a miss in the end......

there is only 1 local bank that uses it iirc.

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Bounced from 1.48 to 4, massive short covering from hedge funds who were short this, but this is 99.99% already worth zero. Bonds are trading at 0.10 on the dollar.

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The day's low is EUR 2.50 here on Google, is it not accurate ?
 

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there is only 1 local bank that uses it iirc.

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Oh is it? I didnt know that........haha.... Anyway they fast hand fast leg changing to other payment gateways liao....

I sjust received an invoice for integration works with Wirecard on my desk, as I type.... :s13:
 

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All these being said and done, the play money for Wirecard is not meant for investing purposes, it's only for trading after massive decrease in share price.

Extra edit: I went long on Adyen after this Wirecard massacre.

did you pull out in time?
 
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