Wireless IP Camera thread

[Dave27]

Best bet will be getting a brand that you can find in Challenger. I am sure that this are carefully screen by their relevant procurement department before they can reside in their stores.

I don't see Challenger carrying any unknown brands of ip cameras. Brands they carry, you can find Aztech, D-Link, Netgear, Prolink, Samsung, Sineoji, Tp-Link etc . Foscam does have an office in SG.

You can buy a generic brand or an unknown brand but what happens next ? We see small retailers closing down overnight, many find it tough to sustain. Where do you go to claim your warranty when such cases happen ? where's the support as this unknown brands do not have a physical office in Singapore. Calling China and send your defective items back to China to and fro ? This is not even worth the time and money, ended up you are paying more what you should be paying.

My opinion, a brand is a commitment. It is a responsibility. It is easy for someone to import an unknown or off brands and sell it. Overtime, should they wish to shut down their business, that's it, we are speaking about sustainability. But you can't do it if you have a brand, because you have to manage the retailers who are carrying your products, including your distributors and the service centres.

Imagine you purchasing an unknown brand of ip camera and came to realise that the company or the person who sold you is no longer in the business ? you checked and discovered that the company has a paid up capital of $2 or $50 ? that is worrying.

 

[saintgtril]

I just receive a call from Dean. He called me because of my earlier request. In the same call, he asked me how was my cameras doing (I bought 10 cameras from him - WOW, a big customer ya? Ha!)

Jokes aside, i told him i encountered a software issue on my mobile phone, which he probed. The call ended with him assuring me that his engineering team will resolve the issue in time to come.

Long story short, i am impressed with his after-purchase service. You guys will not go wrong with Sineoji. Dean is the man!!!

 

[asteral]

just to share.

Dean came down to my place yesterday and advised me on the location of the cameras in my living room, kitchen and bedrooms. He installed Sineoji PT603V in my living room for me to hand on experience of the product. The camera is quite easier to use and the wide angle enable me to have almost full view of my 5 room hall. Installation was simple and the setup of the camera was quite direct.

Overall
Service 5/5! No hard sell technique and he is willingly to educate a ip cam newbie like me.
Product NA: Cannot really grade it as I am a newbie in IP cam but PT603V do serve my needs.

 

[harky]

anyone know which brand can connect the camera using website

 

[localITguy]

anyone know which brand can connect the camera using website

VIEW?

or cloud storage?

dlink some of their models have cloud systems

 

[harky]

for viewing..
(login to a ip and i connected via web browser to view)

want to save some data using phone.
i notice some ip camera dont have this function...
this is so important to me as my office dont allow me to anyhow install app so i need a web login to view... not sure if i can log out to a ip a not haha

VIEW?

or cloud storage?

dlink some of their models have cloud systems

 

[localITguy]

for viewing..
(login to a ip and i connected via web browser to view)

want to save some data using phone.
i notice some ip camera dont have this function...
this is so important to me as my office dont allow me to anyhow install app so i need a web login to view... not sure if i can log out to a ip a not haha

i believe most of the IP cams support functions like this, but you need to setup portforward and DDNS for it to work

 

[harky]

ehhhhh i nb le.. got one already setup liao?

i believe most of the IP cams support functions like this, but you need to setup portforward and DDNS for it to work

 

[geckoSG]

anyone know which brand can connect the camera using website

Quite a number actually. Foscam, sineoji, wanscam, dlink. All need to set up ddns for sure. If your own router supports ddns feature, then you can do away with camera ddns

 

[harky]

thanks.. i bot 1 of the set u named to try

ya, my asus router support ddns
but the set i bot also got ddns according to seller

Quite a number actually. Foscam, sineoji, wanscam, dlink. All need to set up ddns for sure. If your own router supports ddns feature, then you can do away with camera ddns

 

[geckoSG]

Here's some teaser images/screen captures I got from the HW0048 (1080P).

This is the webUI showing the first stream as 1920x1080P proving it as an 1080P.

Here is an actual phone camera capture of the environment which this small screen capture is being done, to ensure the camera shows the true best LIVE environment, I have placed the camera on the table with NATURAL outdoor lights behind the IP cameras (bright day)

The images below are RAW image capture from the camera, NO editing has been done to the camera images.

This is the screen capture from the camera without zoom. Focus is done at the shelf which is around 4 metres away. As you can see, image is considered very clear and sharp via webUI. Coverage wise, definitely cannot deny that it is very very wide compared to most cameras on the market. However, take a look closely to the edges on the right. You can see that the curve of the lens causes images to be kind of blurred out which is the characteristic of such wide angled lens at 1.7mm. So, be prepared for these curved and not so clear images at the edges when you go for ultra wide angle lens like these on any cameras

This is the screen capture from the camera with 1 X zoom. Focus is done at the shelf which is around 4 metres away

This is the screen capture from the camera with 2 x zoom. Focus is done at the shelf which is around 4 metres away

This is the screen capture from the camera with 3 x zoom. Focus is done at the shelf which is around 4 metres away

On webUI,only have MAX 3X Digital Zoom. If you look at the images clearly, the more zoomed in, the less clear the details are since each pixel is blown up. You can read more about digital zooming effects on wiki/google.

I will do a full review later, with mobile APP setup. Above setup is using Advanced IP Scanner 2 to locate camera and accessing the webUI to view the camera.

So far, a few APP bugs have been found which I will list down later. There is definitely delay in image streaming for 1-2 secs even on WIRED connection between Laptop to Router, Router to camera on CAT6 UTP, which other cloud-base cameras have the same characteristic.

More detailed review will be made later doing test over wireless and finally over 4G network as well as tracing the traffic usage and where it is going to.

Next week, you will see my review on the new HW0051 which is 960P with 3 X OPTICAL ZOOM (with 1080P releasing soon I believe). You will be able to see the differences between digital and optical zooming

 

[harky]

Not bad Le..
Actually 960p and 1080p the only difference is the side corner

The Raw Image really good.
Go where to buy ah!!! But the side corner really hmm..

Here's some teaser images/screen captures I got from the HW0048 (1080P).

This is the webUI showing the first stream as 1920x1080P proving it as an 1080P.

Here is an actual phone camera capture of the environment which this small screen capture is being done, to ensure the camera shows the true best LIVE environment, I have placed the camera on the table with NATURAL outdoor lights behind the IP cameras (bright day)

The images below are RAW image capture from the camera, NO editing has been done to the camera images.

This is the screen capture from the camera without zoom. Focus is done at the shelf which is around 4 metres away. As you can see, image is considered very clear and sharp via webUI. Coverage wise, definitely cannot deny that it is very very wide compared to most cameras on the market. However, take a look closely to the edges on the right. You can see that the curve of the lens causes images to be kind of blurred out which is the characteristic of such wide angled lens at 1.7mm. So, be prepared for these curved and not so clear images at the edges when you go for ultra wide angle lens like these on any cameras

This is the screen capture from the camera with 1 X zoom. Focus is done at the shelf which is around 4 metres away

This is the screen capture from the camera with 2 x zoom. Focus is done at the shelf which is around 4 metres away

This is the screen capture from the camera with 3 x zoom. Focus is done at the shelf which is around 4 metres away

On webUI,only have MAX 3X Digital Zoom. If you look at the images clearly, the more zoomed in, the less clear the details are since each pixel is blown up. You can read more about digital zooming effects on wiki/google.

I will do a full review later, with mobile APP setup. Above setup is using Advanced IP Scanner 2 to locate camera and accessing the webUI to view the camera.

So far, a few APP bugs have been found which I will list down later. There is definitely delay in image streaming for 1-2 secs even on WIRED connection between Laptop to Router, Router to camera on CAT6 UTP, which other cloud-base cameras have the same characteristic.

More detailed review will be made later doing test over wireless and finally over 4G network as well as tracing the traffic usage and where it is going to.

Next week, you will see my review on the new HW0051 which is 960P with 3 X OPTICAL ZOOM (with 1080P releasing soon I believe). You will be able to see the differences between digital and optical zooming

 

[barrios]

Although the so-called 1080p HW0048 looks identical to the Sineoji PT619v externally, it is pretty obvious they are not the same. The HW0048 clearly has a narrower viewing angle compared to the 170° angle of the PT619v.

I would really love to see an ipcam with optical zoom.

 

[harky]

Look same as sineoJi 619 also has narrower viewing angle as show on their website .

It hard to compare both unless you got two camera and compare with same background.

But than again, I love cheap and good products haha

Although the so-called 1080p HW0048 looks identical to the Sineoji PT619v externally, it is pretty obvious they are not the same. The HW0048 clearly has a narrower viewing angle compared to the 170° angle of the PT619v.

I would really love to see an ipcam with optical zoom.

 

[barrios]

Snapshots taken from SINEOJI PT619V 1080P at various zoom levels:

Original 170°

You judge for yourself if the digital zoom is of any help.

Look at the 170° angle (first photo) of PT619V and compare it with the HW0048.

 

[harky]

One is room, One is living room..
I think the angle of where to put the cam also a issue.
geckoSG take from the room which is already so closure and smaller that why the angle is not reflected well. But if you see his drawer cabinet; the apple flat screen and casino box, you should notice is a bit curve

geckoSG can't you take some photo where is somewhere open and big?

Look at the 170° angle (first photo) of PT619V and compare it with the HW0048.

 

[jwattbradley]

Once bitten twice shy as I have learnt my lesson and move on.

Misleading us and making us confused ? your HW0048 1080p is not even 100 degrees. I have been fooled once and it is only that I educate the members here.

I written to wancam to verify as I am very doubtful whatever he claims. If you have read my previous post, you will understand.

Wanscam officially replied to me that their HW0048 1080p is only 95 degrees viewing angle and the firmware for their HW0048 is entirely different from Sineoji.

That probably explains why I have been using sineoji ipcamera and is hyper responsive when we pan and tilt over the mobile data network even on 3G or 4G !

Here is the official reply.

Barrios screenshots is obvious to tell the difference.

 

[harky]

Eh I also got ask Le, But I ask tb one.

Hw0048 1080p only sell to client , mean special order. Not official release. Think the one he bought should be extra stock.seller say he sold one demo set
(actually I want to to Buy also but they say no more liao??? They call it 样机?) cost price is RMB 328

The original hw0048 is their official product which had lower resolution.

Wanscam never release any IP cam which is 1080p. Their highest is 960p till date but will release 1080p soon. They say they did help customer to make 1080p version one but is not official release from them.

They also say sineoji is also one of their reseller.

Not sure too..

Once bitten twice shy as I have learnt my lesson and move on.

Misleading us and making us confused ? your HW0048 1080p is not even 100 degrees. I have been fooled once and it is only that I educate the members here.

I written to wancam to verify as I am very doubtful whatever he claims. If you have read my previous post, you will understand.

Wanscam officially replied to me that their HW0048 1080p is only 95 degrees viewing angle and the firmware for their HW0048 is entirely different from Sineoji.

That probably explains why I have been using sineoji ipcamera and is hyper responsive when we pan and tilt over the mobile data network even on 3G or 4G !

Here is the official reply.

Barrios screenshots is obvious to tell the difference.

 

[balboa_sg]

They also say sineoji is also one of their reseller.

Not sure too..

By committing this remark, you have tarnished and damaged Sineoji's image and branding.

Our corporate lawyer will be following up on this.

 

[harky]

I had the screenshot of this seller say.
That why I say "not sure too"
so where is the tarnished and damage?

This is my communication with the seller. They are doing direct factory service.


Edit: reseller is usually refer to same brand that purchases goods or services with the intention of selling them. For this case is not. Both are different brand.

Tb seller mean, they are their buyer.

BTW, is this how you do pr? Why you can't clarify it if this is not true? I assume you are from sineoji... Almost purchase Sineoji's camera but now I decide not too. I still waiting for ppl to ans me where to get this brand in Korea.

By committing this remark, you have tarnished and damaged Sineoji's image and branding.

Our corporate lawyer will be following up on this.