Working Shoe for Young Exec - Part 2

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Oh no.. that's bad customer service. pushing the blame to the products, and worse, customer.

I guess this guy could go out of business soon with this kind of attitude and business ethics. :s12:
 

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To be honest, I think this is a bit of a half-and-half. If they were sold as seconds it sort of implies that you were willing to accept the flaw, whether or not this is a structural defect or due to it having been tried on before I don't know enough to comment.

From the response though, how did you phrase your concern? Looks like they were replying to a question around the shoes having been worn rather than a concern about a structural / design issue.

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To be honest, I think this is a bit of a half-and-half. If they were sold as seconds it sort of implies that you were willing to accept the flaw, whether or not this is a structural defect or due to it having been tried on before I don't know enough to comment.

From the response though, how did you phrase your concern? Looks like they were replying to a question around the shoes having been worn rather than a concern about a structural / design issue.

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Thundermarch was able to described it better than I did. Nevertheless I attached the exact photos I had shown in this thread to them and that was the reply

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The above is what is stated for a slight seconds shoes.

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Thundermarch was able to described it better than I did. Nevertheless I attached the exact photos I had shown in this thread to them and that was the reply

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The above is what is stated for a slight seconds shoes.

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You mentioned creasing, so it is still understandable if they thought you were referring to creasing caused by wearing, thus the reply of slight seconds.

Agreed that TM explained it much clearer, but he also mentioned that is sort of expected from RTW shoes.

I had a pair of AE from amazon, also something like that. However, it was at a discount though they never mention it is seconds or with minor defect. After a while I also not concerned about it as my pants are at least half break, thus covering the defect.
 

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Just my personal opinion. For seconds, mai hiam too much LOL cos with discount comes certain degree of imperfection. I am not with herring but I don't find the reply as bad customer service. I personally feel that for UK/us they quite clear cut, if u buy discounted stuff, don't expect it to come at 10/10. Same goes for order from robinsonsshoes, their box always torn...

Don't flame me. Just my opinion only.
 

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You mentioned creasing, so it is still understandable if they thought you were referring to creasing caused by wearing, thus the reply of slight seconds.

Agreed that TM explained it much clearer, but he also mentioned that is sort of expected from RTW shoes.

I had a pair of AE from amazon, also something like that. However, it was at a discount though they never mention it is seconds or with minor defect. After a while I also not concerned about it as my pants are at least half break, thus covering the defect.
Wasn't really good at the description and thought the pictorial evidence could help and the mentioning that it is distorted. I could live with it, just providing updates on the case.

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Just my personal opinion. For seconds, mai hiam too much LOL cos with discount comes certain degree of imperfection. I am not with herring but I don't find the reply as bad customer service. I personally feel that for UK/us they quite clear cut, if u buy discounted stuff, don't expect it to come at 10/10. Same goes for order from robinsonsshoes, their box always torn...

Don't flame me. Just my opinion only.
QFT wholeheartedly agree.

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I stopped buying from Carmina after getting similar response for GMTO boots (on their website).

GMTO. Not seconds.

But not for a structural defect, more cosmetic. Took it to mason&smith and he sorta minimized that scar on the boot.
 

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This is part and parcel of buying things online (and especially from a foreign store).
If it is a Singapore store, we can either bring it in or return easily.

It is a pain to even think about shipping shoes back to whereever it came from.

I have bought stuff from Herring some time back and they have been good with customer service generally. Most of the full price or even sale items were brand new when i received them. So when they sold you as slight seconds, there should be some expectation of imperfections. I have also received items (brand new) from other online stores which are not 'brand new' or came with certain flaws. We should always provide the feedback, and most will accept returns or offer some sort of compensation.

I think customer service is not 100% perfect 100% of the time.

There is a risk with online purchase and because we cannot inspect it there and then, you have to trust the retailer or to live and let live.
Otherwise, you can always return the shoes (albeit with some level of difficulties).
 

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Now with more information and context, I think I can give a more measured response.

Firstly, I think that for shoes to be sold as seconds, the issues should be strictly cosmetic, NOT structural.
A wonky medallion, finishing not up to par, stuff like that.
Structural problems, like failed gemming, a broken shank, failed inseam... all these, should NOT be sold, and written off at the manufacturing level.
Given that it was stated that the shoes were slight seconds and have been worn / tried on, we will expect some creasing.
Now, in a pair of shoes that was lasted properly, and did not initially exhibit any gape at the topline, IF a customer with overtly wide feet were to try on those shoes and walk around in them in the shop (and some customers probably like trying on shoes for a long time). It could actually give rise to quite a bit of creasing below the topline and around the quarters. Though I am not convinced this might not be to the extent you see in the pictures.
In any case, I understand you would have paid less for the pair, and whether you've got your money's worth, that's your judgement call.
Don't let this episode put you off shoes. I hope. There's a lot of good stuff out there.
 

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Thank you everyone for your views. This isn't my first pair so have had my good encounter with customer service before.

On a similar note, has anyone heard of italigente?

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Blake rapid shoes affiliated with Jesper from Shoe Gazing blog. That's as much as I know, no direct experience.

Look and feel of thinner soles may need some getting used to if you are already accustomed to GYW stuff.
 

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Blake rapid shoes affiliated with Jesper from Shoe Gazing blog. That's as much as I know, no direct experience.

Look and feel of thinner soles may need some getting used to if you are already accustomed to GYW stuff.

You are probably referring to Blake Stitched.
Blake rapid stuff has a midsole to which the insole, and the outsole are stitched (in separate layers).
They are not thinner than GYW stuff. And IMO, better constructed than GYW as well.
 

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You are probably referring to Blake Stitched.
Blake rapid stuff has a midsole to which the insole, and the outsole are stitched (in separate layers).
They are not thinner than GYW stuff. And IMO, better constructed than GYW as well.

Thanks. I am aware of the presence of a midsole in blake rapid but had the impression that it would still be sleeker/thinner than GYW, though certainly blake would be the sleekest.
 

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Anyone interested in a GMTO with lusso for a pair of Enzo Bonafe "balway" boots? It's an homage to the EG Galways.

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Design based on the boot on top pic
Tan English Grain like the bottom pic
Genuine dainite or some sort of rubber sole
(Hopefully possible) handwelted bombe waist
Some round toe last (eg 363mod)

Price is likely to be $828, still checking if anything entails an upcharge.

And not sure if promo is still on, u may be given a "discount coupon" for lusso's RTW Enzo Bonafes.

Any interest? Can PM me.
 
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